Tackles at the Senior Bowl

[dallasfaniac]

I was the 1st guy on that waggon.

I don't think that means what you think it means. Just because you first learn about somebody, doesn't mean the whole nation didn't already know about him. Earl Thomas was a standout from the second he stepped on the field and earned a bunch of All-Freshman honors. He wasn't some diamond in the rough from some tiny midwest college where half the guys play both offense and defense, he was on a squad that showed on practically every TV in the nation. Most people had Tyron Smith graded as a 1st rounder long before you 'found' him.

 

[Brooksey]

Solder is poop, lets move on!

Not really, best tackle in the draft.

 

[Brooksey]

Nate Solder is in contention for being the best left tackle prospect in the 2011 NFL Draft, but he is not living up to the hype.
He has impressive height and feet but he does not have the athleticism or knee bend that makes him an elite tackle.
He has a chance to go up against the very best this week, but for now I am considering him a very risky prospect.

Where are you getting your information? It's completely wrong, he has great athleticism and knee bend for 6'8. That's why he's rated number 1 right now.

 

[UnoDallas]

Where are you getting your information? It's completely wrong, he has great athleticism and knee bend for 6'8. That's why he's rated number 1 right now.

Wes Bunting


Solder, I think is really overrated. I haven't been that impressed with him. I don't think he has great range to the edge and you see him consistently doubling over and pushing people past the pocket, but he can get caught with double moves. He takes that big power step off the snap and overextends and opens up the inside door.

All of them could go in the first. Solder could because of his potential. It's rare to find a 6'8'' guy who can move on the edge but I still think he's better suited to play on the right side.

I think Sherrod is the best one down here, even though he has work to do on his punch. He'll get his elbows outside his frame sometimes. Carimi is the 2nd best, Castonzo is the third and Solder is the 4th best by far. I'm not a huge fan.

http://www.cowboyszone.com/2011/01/mobile-diary-wes-bunting-reports-from.html#


Where do you think they start going?

WB: I'd say between picks 13 and 17 is when you'll start to see them go off the board, but once they start they're all gonna go pretty quickly. I think those four guys will all be gone within the next 20-25 picks.

 

[JBS]

Every report has a different spin. I can understand to an extent but when one report says Locker looks outstanding ad then the other report says he is the least accurate of all the QBs I get confused..it really can't be that hard lol

 

[UnoDallas]

Every report has a different spin. I can understand to an extent but when one report says Locker looks outstanding ad then the other report says he is the least accurate of all the QBs I get confused..it really can't be that hard lol

I know its almost laughable -

but I am sure they got there favorite guys

the same as any team does

the same as me and you and Catch

 

[realtick]

Where are you getting your information? It's completely wrong, he has great athleticism and knee bend for 6'8. That's why he's rated number 1 right now.

According to Matt Mayock.

Others have realized he's vastly overrated with some glaring weaknesses.

 

[realtick]

Wes Bunting


Solder, I think is really overrated. I haven't been that impressed with him. I don't think he has great range to the edge and you see him consistently doubling over and pushing people past the pocket, but he can get caught with double moves. He takes that big power step off the snap and overextends and opens up the inside door.

All of them could go in the first. Solder could because of his potential. It's rare to find a 6'8'' guy who can move on the edge but I still think he's better suited to play on the right side.

I agree 100% with Bunting regarding Solder. Those exactly the same things I've been saying about this kid for the past two months.

 

[realtick]

Every report has a different spin. I can understand to an extent but when one report says Locker looks outstanding ad then the other report says he is the least accurate of all the QBs I get confused..it really can't be that hard lol

I hear you.

I've really grown to like draftinsiders.net, cbssportsline.com and Wes Bunting.

Really, it's completely subjective. I take what I know, what I've seen and what I think about a specific player and compare it to what different "gurus" and analysts are saying and seeing.

Call it what you want, but if what they're saying jives with what I'm saying, I tend to give them more credence. If there are prospects I'm unfamiliar about, I'll utilize their analysis to get a feel for a player.

Not impressed with Matt "I'm a space alien" Mayock, Rob Rang, Perelloff, and a few others.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I hear you.

I've really grown to like draftinsiders.net, cbssportsline.com and Wes Bunting.

Really, it's completely subjective. I take what I know, what I've seen and what I think about a specific player and compare it to what different "gurus" and analysts are saying and seeing.

Call it what you want, but if what they're saying jives with what I'm saying, I tend to give them more credence. If there are prospects I'm unfamiliar about, I'll utilize their analysis to get a feel for a player.

Not impressed with Matt "I'm a space alien" Mayock, Rob Rang, Perelloff, and a few others.

Who's Matt Mayock?



BTW.. Rang has Sherrod as the 6th OL'man taken in the draft. Barely made the first round.

 

[realtick]

Who's Matt Mayock?



BTW.. Rang has Sherrod as the 6th OL'man taken in the draft. Barely made the first round.

Lol, I don't know why I want to keep calling him "Matt," it's Mike Mayock that's the space alien.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Lol, I don't know why I want to keep calling him "Matt," it's Mike Mayock that's the space alien.

Guy loves to hear himself talk, lol.. but he usually is pretty reasonable in most cases.

 

[28 Joker]

I agree with Bunting. Great stuff again by Veal. I saw Solder get beat inside twice during drills just like he stated. I was impressed with his size. However... There are better options, imo.

Tyron Smith and Derek Sherrod are the two best OTs in this class, imo. I watched Sherrod all year, and he isn't getting the pub that the others are getting. If he played at Florida or Alabama or LSU, you can better believe the national media's spin would be different.

If you want an OT at 9, you better not get cute and trade down, because those top 2 guys are going to be highly coveted. I think there is a gap between the top 2 guys and the others. JMO Teams may be coming up for both of these two guys.

 

[28 Joker]

Wes Bunting


Solder, I think is really overrated. I haven't been that impressed with him. I don't think he has great range to the edge and you see him consistently doubling over and pushing people past the pocket, but he can get caught with double moves. He takes that big power step off the snap and overextends and opens up the inside door.

All of them could go in the first. Solder could because of his potential. It's rare to find a 6'8'' guy who can move on the edge but I still think he's better suited to play on the right side.

I think Sherrod is the best one down here, even though he has work to do on his punch. He'll get his elbows outside his frame sometimes. Carimi is the 2nd best, Castonzo is the third and Solder is the 4th best by far. I'm not a huge fan.

http://www.cowboyszone.com/2011/01/mobile-diary-wes-bunting-reports-from.html#


Where do you think they start going?

WB: I'd say between picks 13 and 17 is when you'll start to see them go off the board, but once they start they're all gonna go pretty quickly. I think those four guys will all be gone within the next 20-25 picks.

Nice job UnoDallas

Sherrod looked really good at RT today. He took on Von Miller. Sherrod has shown some nastiness in his game this week. He has looked good at both OT spots. Mayock doesn't know what he is talking about. 2nd round...

We will see. Sherrod will not make it to 20.

 

[CATCH17]

I agree with Bunting. Great stuff again by Veal. I saw Solder get beat inside twice during drills just like he stated. I was impressed with his size. However... There are better options, imo.

Tyron Smith and Derek Sherrod are the two best OTs in this class, imo. I watched Sherrod all year, and he isn't getting the pub that the others are getting. If he played at Florida or Alabama or LSU, you can better believe the national media's spin would be different.

If you want an OT at 9, you better not get cute and trade down, because those top 2 guys are going to be highly coveted. I think there is a gap between the top 2 guys and the others. JMO Teams may be coming up for both of these two guys.

I disagree..

He played in the best conference in College Football so everyone will know his value.

I don't think putting the Bama jersey on would raise his stock and I also think the school he played at gives him an advantage over the other Non-SEC Tackles.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I agree with Bunting. Great stuff again by Veal. I saw Solder get beat inside twice during drills just like he stated. I was impressed with his size. However... There are better options, imo.

Tyron Smith and Derek Sherrod are the two best OTs in this class, imo. I watched Sherrod all year, and he isn't getting the pub that the others are getting. If he played at Florida or Alabama or LSU, you can better believe the national media's spin would be different.

If you want an OT at 9, you better not get cute and trade down, because those top 2 guys are going to be highly coveted. I think there is a gap between the top 2 guys and the others. JMO Teams may be coming up for both of these two guys.

Nate Solder went to Colorado, Carimi went to Wisconsin, Costanza went to BC..

These arent top, perennial powerhouse teams either. They're getting more love because they are performing better this week. That's all.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Every report has a different spin. I can understand to an extent but when one report says Locker looks outstanding ad then the other report says he is the least accurate of all the QBs I get confused..it really can't be that hard lol

So true. That's why with a million different internet gurus these days it's hard to know what to believe -- you can always find someone who says something positive or negative about a player.

We see it every year even in training camp where a writer from one paper will say a player had a great day at the same time another guy calls him a disappointment. It mainly comes from a player making one great play that gets everyone's attention... Or these guys simply not knowing what they're looking at.

That's why IMO you have to go with a guy who has some decent track record. Seems to me that Rang has been pretty decent, and Mayock, too. I used to think Mayock was way over the top, but IIRC he's been pretty good lately with his calls.

I saw an article on Bunting on another site, and his qualifications as a scout are that he went to some "scouting school" for like 2.5 weeks. Doesn't sound like any kind of expert to me.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Nate Solder went to Colorado, Carimi went to Wisconsin, Costanza went to BC..

These arent top, perennial powerhouse teams either. They're getting more love because they are performing better this week. That's all.

Wisconsin and B.C, whether you consider them power house schools or not, does have (or has had) the reputation of putting out quality O-Linemen.

Now with that being said, it does not mean that everyone coming from there will be great and so on. Just saying that they have had that reputation over the years even if it might not be as current.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Wisconsin and B.C, whether you consider them power house schools or not, does have (or has had) the reputation of putting out quality O-Linemen.

Now with that being said, it does not mean that everyone coming from there will be great and so on. Just saying that they have had that reputation over the years even if it might not be as current.

While i understand this, the point i was making was just in response to someone saying that if Sherrod had played for a national powerhouse like Bama, LSU, etc.. he would be getting much more love right now.

I disagree completely, and as someone pointed out, he does play in the SEC and goes up against very good defenses on a consistent basis.

Wisconsin and BC arn't really schools that are always in the hunt, and certainly Colorado isn't, but the fact is Carimi, Solder, and Costanzo have just been performing better this week.

 

[CATCH17]

Not really, best tackle in the draft.

Solder is going to fall. Watch. He is overrated right now.