Taco's sack against the Rams

[texbumthelife]

Im talking reality of a rookie and reality of his performance. I have talked glowingly about several other players in the preseason.

"for how he will evolve"

Very easy to take that as certainty. Writing is also fundamental.

The drivel is people like you claiming that "He will evolve into the next Strahan"

Ill talk glowingly about Strahan.....err............Taco when he deserves it. But it WAS nice to see him get his first sack. Cant say much for his performance besides that.

The first Preseason game he was awefull. And the reports out of camp from coaches is that he has had a poor camp. Facts are stubborn things.

Speaking of "facts," which you seem to struggle with, I actually said, "I think Strahan is a good comparison for how he will need to evolve as a player." No certainty there at all. Simply remarking on what abilities he'll need to work on, as I went into further detail on. Nice attempt to take something out of context and twist it to suit your argument. Or did you misread it again? In which case, as I have now said three times, reading comprehension...

For the record, just about everyone in the media agrees he had a very strong showing in the second game. More than just the one sack. But, I'm sure quoting media only works when it benefits you.

You're a troll. We're done.

 

[Reality]

Exactly right.

He's not a DeMarcus Ware type of pass rusher.

I think the problem is that a first round pick is expected to be an impact player by most fans, not just a solid player.

 

[YosemiteSam]

There are different styles of pass rushers.

Taco's sack against the Rams is a perfect example of the style that he fits into.

He used a combination of length, power and quickness.

Some people think all pass rusher should be like Von Miller and just blow by OTs on the outside.

In reality few pass rushers are as fast as Von Miller but have success due to a combination of power, length and quickness (JPP, Greg Hardy, etc..).

Is there any video of it? I didn't get to see the game.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

LOL...........Michael Strahan? The guy gets one sack in preseason against Rams scrub backups and he is the next Michael Strahan. This just gets better and better.

Playing devils advocate......Dak looked terrible in training camp last year. I remember reading reports saying Jameil Showers and Kellen Moore looked better than him. You have to do it somewhere. I'd rather him look good against a scrub than look bad against one.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think the problem is that a first round pick is expected to be an impact player by most fans, not just a solid player.

It depends on the position. Defensive ends just don't make instant impacts. Just doesn't happen.

 

[jday]

Yes, but the Rams are a very bad team. Taco has 1 sack in two preseason games against mostly scrubs. That projects out to 8 sacks in his rookie year which would be great if he played against players who are going to be cut all 16 regular season games, but we know that's not going to be the case. At least he has started sniffing the QB, but I didn't see a ton of pressure from Taco throughout the game. We have to see that consistently in the preseason, or we are unlikely to see it when the other team puts its starters in the game.

If Taco get's 5 sacks this year, I'd be very happy...and so should most people.

 

[jday]

Is there any video of it? I didn't get to see the game.

YouTube search Taco...almost guaranteed to be the first option to view.

 

[waldoputty]

It depends on the position. Defensive ends just don't make instant impacts. Just doesn't happen.

i wonder how well watt, takk, willis, rivers, basham etc are going to do this year.
all within cowboys' reach.

 

[Reality]

It depends on the position. Defensive ends just don't make instant impacts. Just doesn't happen.

And that's my point .. most fans expect a first round pick to be an impact player. It's the reason fans got upset when Frederick was picked, then got upset when Martin was picked. Those both turned out to be impact players, but their positions made it hard for many fans to expect that from them initially.

When you see other teams drafting quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, cornerbacks, etc. that can have a much larger and more easily measurable impact on their team, it's hard for fans to get excited about the other positions.

We have been spoiled here enough with players like Ware and Haley to make many fans think there's one of those players in the first round of every draft, when that is simply not the case.

For most offensive and defensive line players to be considered great picks, it requires surrounding them with solid players. If you took Zack Martin, Travis Frederick or Tyron Smith and put them on a team with 4 other backup or subpar lineman around them, they would look like average players at best because many offensive and defensive schemes require coordination and teamwork with the players next to them. It's not all one-on-one battles.

No one knows what kind of player Taco will turn out to be. He got a sack, but stats like this, especially this early in preseason, really don't matter. Hopefully, he will continue to improve and make an impact this season.

Personally, what I look for is a defensive lineman is a guy who can make a play when the game is on the line. I don't care if Taco only gets 5 sacks as long as they happen on third or fourth downs.

 

[texbumthelife]

It depends on the position. Defensive ends just don't make instant impacts. Just doesn't happen.

It also depends where the pick is made. A DL taken towards the end of the first isn't quite the same as one taken in the top-10 and shouldn't be expected to be.

 

[nathanlt]

They have to make it up to Jerry for the Zeke suspension.

With the documentation of falsified evidence against Zeke, NOTHING will "make it up " for the atrocious wrong that has been done here. If it were another issue, without a strict definition of domestic violence to adhere to, the punishment would be applicable.

However, it is not a lawful punishment, and cannot be exchanged for leeway in any other matter.

 

[YosemiteSam]

YouTube search Taco...almost guaranteed to be the first option to view.

Thanks it was actually the 7th video on the list.

That said, that sack looked like the tackle was expecting inside help, but didn't get it. He let him slide off and no one was there to pick up Taco.

A sack is a sack, but I don't feel be beat someone as much as the defense blew their assignment.

 

[texbumthelife]

With the documentation of falsified evidence against Zeke, NOTHING will "make it up " for the atrocious wrong that has been done here. If it were another issue, without a strict definition of domestic violence to adhere to, the punishment would be applicable.

However, it is not a lawful punishment, and cannot be exchanged for leeway in any other matter.

The CBA gives the league expressed power to punish a player even when no wrongdoing has been found legally. It also gives the commissioner power to extend and/or shorten punishment at his own discretion without rhyme or reason other than his own objectivity. The biggest problem is that there isn't a strict definition either for offense or punishment of said offense under the current CBA. Goodell absolutely went above and beyond what he should have done, but he is well covered under the terms of the CBA and therefor really can't be accused of any wrongdoing. Zeke will appeal and his suspension will be reduced, but until the league boots Goodell and rewrite the CBA, there is really nothing that can be said or done unless, by some miracle, they can prove bias was shown or collusion took place.

 

[texbumthelife]

Thanks it was actually the 7th video on the list.

That said, that sack looked like the tackle was expecting inside help, but didn't get it. He left him slide off and no one was there to pick up Taco.

A sack is a sack, but I don't feel be beat someone as much as the defense blew their assignment.

You might also notice, if you watch the tape, Taco is holding his rush watching the RB. He's not even rushing the passer from the snap. He reads the OL and the RB and then starts his pass rush which, regardless of what the OT was thinking or if a mistake was made, is actually pretty damn impressive. His closing burst was fabulous as well.

 

[jday]

Thanks it was actually the 7th video on the list.

That said, that sack looked like the tackle was expecting inside help, but didn't get it. He left him slide off and no one was there to pick up Taco.

A sack is a sack, but I don't feel be beat someone as much as the defense blew their assignment.

I'm thinking much ado about nothing, as well, but you could make a similar argument in regards to at least 1 of Watt's sacks, if not both against the Giants.

Either way, I could care less...Taco is doomed to be compared to Watt for the remainder of his career, despite the fact that they play in two completely different positions and systems.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Yea because they are everywhere.

I found one under my bed last week...guess I should have sent him to Oxnard to try out.

 

[waving monkey]

I've looked at Taco's sack a few times and it appeared to me he had connect with O/l
thenjust sped around him. Ya it was not a talented Ram's lineman but as I read you'll
see Taco improve along the season. So that gives me hope.Cowboys had him rated some where in the second round
never heard where but we all recall how Fredbread was rated way to high and how that turned out. Oh, the cat calls.
We have some things to over come this season taco has time to grow.

 

[superonyx]

Taco isn't slow of the edge... He just doesn't have Ware's or Von Miller's type of burst.

Once Taco has some success with those inside moves, he'll be able to gain the edge on occasion. Sort of opposite of the 4.55 forty edge guys who have to develop inside moves because tackles start to compensate for the outside stuff.

Agreed.
He also doesn't have Von Miller or other 3-4 OLB element of surprise.
You put Von Miller in a 4-3 DE position with no other threat on the other end and todays OT would shove him around. Defenses use deception and waves of pressure from different levels to get to the QB these days.
7 out of the top 10 sack leaders last year were OLBers and not DE's.

 

[nathanlt]

The CBA gives the league expressed power to punish a player even when no wrongdoing has been found legally. It also gives the commissioner power to extend and/or shorten punishment at his own discretion without rhyme or reason other than his own objectivity. The biggest problem is that there isn't a strict definition either for offense or punishment of said offense under the current CBA. Goodell absolutely went above and beyond what he should have done, but he is well covered under the terms of the CBA and therefor really can't be accused of any wrongdoing. Zeke will appeal and his suspension will be reduced, but until the league boots Goodell and rewrite the CBA, there is really nothing that can be said or done unless, by some miracle, they can prove bias was shown or collusion took place.

And the owners and the NFLPA are within their right to rise up, and banish Goodell from the league as well.

 

[texbumthelife]

And the owners and the NFLPA are within their right to rise up, and banish Goodell from the league as well.

Agreed and I hope that's what happens, that doesn't erase or re-write the CBA though. The next CBA talks are going to be very important for the league as they move forward with the player conduct policy. They've got to have firm standard that aren't as liberal on the use of objectivity to hand out punishment.