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[GhostOfPelluer]

classic Stockholm Syndrome
1. self-inflicted DB mess
2. fans freak out
3. fans sympathize with jailer.
4. fans take up DB cause.
5. fans forgot about the real problem - the DL that destroyed the 2016 season.

de·lu·sion·al
dəˈlo͞oZH(ə)nəl/
adjective

1. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
   "hospitalization for schizophrenia and delusional paranoia"
   • based on or having faulty judgment; mistaken.
     "their delusional belief that free agency is more effective or efficient when compared to drafting talent"

 

[Tristan]

We wouldn't have beat the Falcons or NE with Charles Haley in his prime. We might have squeeked by GB, but who cares.

Neither of you have a clue what would have happened, pretending you do is ignorant! Otherwise go to vegas and make billion $ nostradomas

 

[gmoney112]

Neither of you have a clue what would have happened, pretending you do is ignorant! Otherwise go to vegas and make billion $ nostradomas

Lol u mad

 

[Tristan]

Lol u mad

Not at all lol, youre the one arguing lol

 

[waldoputty]

de·lu·sion·al
dəˈlo͞oZH(ə)nəl/
adjective

1. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
   "hospitalization for schizophrenia and delusional paranoia"
   • based on or having faulty judgment; mistaken.
     "their delusional belief that free agency is more effective or efficient when compared to drafting talent"

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/agency-free-agency-and-the-nfls-stockholm-syndrome-season

AGENCY, FREE AGENCY, AND THE NFL'S STOCKHOLM SYNDROME SEASON

All sports are captive, in one sense or another, to the stories that they tell about themselves, and governed by how they tell those stories. Baseball is fixated on the manufacture of mythos on one end of the discourse, and the ironical deflation of it on the other; basketball is fixated on its own free-form pursuit of cool, which at least makes sense given that it is the most enjoyable thing about basketball. But the NFL's involuted power****ing is a stronger and stranger thing than these other rhetorical hangups, and produces stronger and stranger takes in turn. And so there is fuming and barking about disloyalty and greed and cowardice and priorities; there is Peter King-style fussy-uncle musing about how many millions of dollars would be worth leaving on the table in exchange for being in A Position To Win; there is a general sense that it is somehow wrong for Revis to make this much money, or for Jason Worilds to retire from football at the age of 26, one year after his team paid him $9 million (and deferred his free agency, by way of the "transition" tag), that this is all unfair.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/agency-free-agency-and-the-nfls-stockholm-syndrome-season

AGENCY, FREE AGENCY, AND THE NFL'S STOCKHOLM SYNDROME SEASON

All sports are captive, in one sense or another, to the stories that they tell about themselves, and governed by how they tell those stories. Baseball is fixated on the manufacture of mythos on one end of the discourse, and the ironical deflation of it on the other; basketball is fixated on its own free-form pursuit of cool, which at least makes sense given that it is the most enjoyable thing about basketball. But the NFL's involuted power****ing is a stronger and stranger thing than these other rhetorical hangups, and produces stronger and stranger takes in turn. And so there is fuming and barking about disloyalty and greed and cowardice and priorities; there is Peter King-style fussy-uncle musing about how many millions of dollars would be worth leaving on the table in exchange for being in A Position To Win; there is a general sense that it is somehow wrong for Revis to make this much money, or for Jason Worilds to retire from football at the age of 26, one year after his team paid him $9 million (and deferred his free agency, by way of the "transition" tag), that this is all unfair.

Nice google fail.

 

[CCBoy]

Dallas ultimately selected Taco Charlton. Charlton has great size and length for a defensive end, but lacks the quick twitch get off that Rod Marinelli typically covets in his rush men. Charlton looks like a player that can threaten offensive tackles with power and length while having enough agility to keep them from stonewalling him by focusing on anchoring against a bull rush. He has the skills to succeed at setting the edge in the running game. He could also be an option to move inside to defensive tackle in nickel situations, where his long arms and decent lateral quickness could provide a mismatch against shorter-armed interior offensive linemen. Think of Joey Bosa without the outstanding quickness and hand usage. Cowboy’s safeties coach Greg Jackson coached at Michigan prior to last season and therefore has some familiarity with Charlton.

http://cowboyszone.com/

Atlanta traded up to the pick before Dallas, because there were a few teams looking for a possible defensive end. Speed wise, they got a better player...but Dallas may have come away with more actual performance.

 

[waldoputty]

Dallas ultimately selected Taco Charlton. Charlton has great size and length for a defensive end, but lacks the quick twitch get off that Rod Marinelli typically covets in his rush men. Charlton looks like a player that can threaten offensive tackles with power and length while having enough agility to keep them from stonewalling him by focusing on anchoring against a bull rush. He has the skills to succeed at setting the edge in the running game. He could also be an option to move inside to defensive tackle in nickel situations, where his long arms and decent lateral quickness could provide a mismatch against shorter-armed interior offensive linemen. Think of Joey Bosa without the outstanding quickness and hand usage. Cowboy’s safeties coach Greg Jackson coached at Michigan prior to last season and therefore has some familiarity with Charlton.

http://cowboyszone.com/

Atlanta traded up to the pick before Dallas, because there were a few teams looking for a possible defensive end. Speed wise, they got a better player...but Dallas may have come away with more actual performance.

Takk's speed offers the ability just lining up slightly wider to try to get a clearer path to the QB.
Within reason, the wider the harder to stop.
His 1.60 10 yard split that is almost 2 feet better (over 10 yards travel) when compared to Taco's 1.70 10 yard split.
Some have mentioned a faster 10 yard time after the combine.
But Taco has never been associated with speed while Takk has been associated with explosive.

For example, Taco being Joey Bosa without the quickness does not sound that good to me.
That sounds more like a LDE to me.
How many LDEs do we need?

 

[waldoputty]

Nice google fail.

coming from you, i dont know how many zoners are rejoicing

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

coming from you, i dont know how many zoners are rejoicing

In your own words, describe how that article you googled applies to this discussion.

 

[CCBoy]

Takk's speed offers the ability just lining up slightly wider to try to get a clearer path to the QB.
Within reason, the wider the harder to stop.
His 1.60 10 yard split that is almost 2 feet better (over 10 yards travel) when compared to Taco's 1.70 10 yard split.
Some have mentioned a faster 10 yard time after the combine.
But Taco has never been associated with speed while Takk has been associated with explosive.

For example, Taco being Joey Bosa without the quickness does not sound that good to me.
That sounds more like a LDE to me.
How many LDEs do we need?

The wind blows fast sometimes also, as it just did in the Dallas area...but at defensive end, quickness and technique grows as well. That is independent from just pure speed. Think that Reggie White or even 'Too Tall' blew the windows off the offensive tackles.

Quit thinking a refined concept is above reproach because one can throw around numbers as with calculus. Physics is a more applied science, and involves power and directions as well. Techniques are applied in the oil business to get something out of the ground and then in conversion. Not unobstructed...

If one doesn't understand that, then just shut up...Taco is fine.

 

[waldoputty]

In your own words, describe how that article you googled applies to this discussion.

post #418 describes it in outline form.

 

[waldoputty]

The wind blows fast sometimes also, as it just did in the Dallas area...but at defensive end, quickness and technique grows as well. That is independent from just pure speed. Think that Reggie White or even 'Too Tall' blew the windows off the offensive tackles.

Quit thinking a refined concept is above reproach because one can throw around numbers as with calculus. Physics is a more applied science, and involves power and directions as well. Techniques are applied in the oil business to get something out of the ground and then in conversion. Not unobstructed...

If one doesn't understand that, then just shut up...Taco is fine.

You made my point. Taking a power player like Taco has risk because technique is more critical and requires more time to develop. It is simpler, faster and lower risk to get a speed player and trying to move him to the clearest path to the QB. That would explain why Takk may have been preferred. Both players are flawed, but you may get results a lot quicker from Takk.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

post #418 describes it in outline form.

The article is talking about fans complaining about the amount of money athletes like Revis make. That article was also from 3 years ago when Revis was still considered the best in the league.

If that applied then you would see people complaining about the money we just gave TFred or the money Martin is about to get.

All of those players are the best at their position. Bouye, Gilmour, and Carr who you have been clamoring for do not meet that standard.

Like I said, it was a fail.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You made my point. Taking a power player like Taco has risk because technique is more critical and requires more time to develop. It is simpler, faster and lower risk to get a speed player and trying to move him to the clearest path to the QB. That would explain why Takk may have been preferred. Both players are flawed, but you may get results a lot quicker from Takk.

This is nonsense. If you have a power or speed mismatch then it is what it is. Both will succeed. This notion that speed players need to pay less attention to detail is nonsense. This goes doubly when you look to see how poorly McKinley performs in regards to agility.

Short area quickness is how players beat OT to turn the corner.

 

[waldoputty]

The article is talking about fans complaining about the amount of money athletes like Revis make. That article was also from 3 years ago when Revis was still considered the best in the league.

If that applied then you would see people complaining about the money we just gave TFred or the money Martin is about to get.

All of those players are the best at their position. Bouye, Gilmour, and Carr who you have been clamoring for do not meet that standard.

Like I said, it was a fail.

I neglected to bold this sentence: And so there is fuming and barking about disloyalty and greed and cowardice and priorities.
At least Bouye or Gilmore was a probowler.
Carr is just a placeholder for a year or 2 to buy time to draft the DB later after the DL has been addressed.

 

[waldoputty]

This is nonsense. If you have a power or speed mismatch then it is what it is. Both will succeed. This notion that speed players need to pay less attention to detail is nonsense. This goes doubly when you look to see how poorly McKinley performs in regards to agility.

Short area quickness is how players beat OT to turn the corner.

The speed guy runs as fast as he can in as direct path as possible.
He already has the speed and the speed allows a more ideal path to avoid the OT.
These HIGHLIGHTS show Takk already has the god-given speed and enough agility/moves to do his job:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I neglected to bold this sentence: And so there is fuming and barking about disloyalty and greed and cowardice and priorities.
At least Bouye or Gilmore was a probowler.
Carr is just a placeholder for a year or 2 to buy time to draft the DB later after the DL has been addressed.

The example of greed he gave is Revis and the the example of disloyalty was a player who left after being tagged.

There is no analogous situation. We aren't criticizing any player for moving on or taking top dollar in FA. We aren't even talking about players. That would be you and your rueage.

If that were the case people would be bashing Church and Wilcox for leaving and taking more money. Greed and disloyalty? Prima facie it's asinine.

Your explanations have been poorly conceived and the article a fail.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The speed guy runs as fast as he can in as direct path as possible.
He already has the speed and the speed allows a more ideal path to avoid the OT.
These HIGHLIGHTS show Takk already has the god-given speed and enough agility/moves to do his job:

No, they don't and there is footwork and hand placement involved in getting dip and rip moves to work. Further if you do not develop counters then OT can sell out on their kickout and take that away.

You don't seem to know jack**** about DL play.

 

[waldoputty]

No, they don't and there is footwork and hand placement involved in getting dip and rip moves to work. Further if you do not develop counters then OT can sell out on their kickout and take that away.

You don't seem to know jack**** about DL play.

did i or did i not say he has enough agility/moves for the job.