Talkin Cowboys 12/9

[TonyRomo17]

Lol i just watched the podcast video, Broaddus actually thinks Church is a better player than Scandrick..smh

 

[BigStar]

So because what Broaddus doesnt see what you are he's inept? Or couldit be the other way around ?

Barry church first yr starting 135 tackles 1 int 6 PD and 3 FF

The sad thing is Wilcox best football came last yr before he got hurt.

Only people anywhere i read news on cowboys that think Wilcox is capable of being that Fs dallas needs is on this forum. News, TV, games, anywhere. its just the GMs in this forum lol. Just because they're starting for this team doesn't mean they're starting material. This team just doesn't have anybody better.

LBer for 2015 right now would be Lee at one and Hitchens at another. So that would leave McClain or Durant as another Lber right? Dont think thats a top need either.

No no no, they are talking of replacing Church @ SS with Wilcox over the long term. I like Wilcox's athleticism so I am down for the more modern S's with speed and the team draft/sign a real FS instead of the SS/SS tandems that have been on display since RW/Woody. Church is slower than most modern LBs.

 

[Staubacher]

This defense is not designed to hold THAT offense to 24 points. We do not have the personel. Unless Philly turns the ball over...they will score 34 points. Dallas better go into the game with the mindset that they will have to score 35 points to win. We have invested HEAVILY on offense...lots of cap dollars...lots of high draft picks..lots of blue chippers...this team is CONSTRUCTED for the offense to to do the heavy lifting.

Defense needs to step up too. Its Mark Sánchez not Peyton Manning back there. Make a play and quit waiting to win every game on offense. Even Mince admitted that's what they do. This defense has it better than most in the NFL they are kept off the field so often. If we are going to be a playoff team they have to make plays.

 

[LatinMind]

If it's a choice between you and Broaddus or my own eyes, it's an easy choice. I watch every single snap the Cowboys play at least 3 times. How many times doall the other people you allude to?

We have been giving up big plays deep up the hashes and the middle of field for three years now. You familiar with the common denominators Church and Carter?

And I have heard plenty of people talk about how Wilcox's play has improved particularly on the national broadcasts. Those guys get access to the coaches and players in the days before the game you know. You can pretend that you have everyone on your side and I have no one on mine but it is both a logical fallacy and moreso just not true. You should pay better attention.

Just because you have eyes doesnt mean you know what ur looking about. IN reguards to whats being showed on the football field. Id take Broaddus account over my own because he was paid to do this. He knows what he's looking at. Just because you have all22 doesnt mean you understand what theyre saying anymore then if you were watching the game live.

Church is playing FS out of posistion. But in coverage id take Church over Wilcox all day sunday. Monday and thursday too. Actually in any part of the game id take Church 100% of the time.

 

[Zordon]

Offense has carried this team all year. This is a 4-9 defense bailed out by a playoff caliber offense. Yes the offense will need to step up. They usually do. But the constant criticism of this well above average offense while we treat the defense like the 'special" member of the family is tiresome. Oh look they gave up only 460 yards of offense and 30points clap clap.

i mean isn't that how it should be considering nearly all the resources go towards the offense?

 

[BigStar]

have you seen Wilcox play? It seems like he has zero comprehension of the defense. Pass def or run def. What has wilcox done that even makes you say something like this?

He hits well and has more speed while still learning. Church doesn't have the athleticism is all; great leader and teammate I'm sure but a weakness most definitely. He wouldn't start on a good pass D (looking into the future more so).

 

[LatinMind]

No no no, they are talking of replacing Church @ SS with Wilcox over the long term. I like Wilcox's athleticism so I am down for the more modern S's with speed and the team draft/sign a real FS instead of the SS/SS tandems that have been on display since RW/Woody. Church is slower than most modern LBs.

A player can be the most athletic person in the nfl but if he doesnt know his job then its all pointless.

 

[BigStar]

A player can be the most athletic person in the nfl but if he doesnt know his job then its all pointless.

I agree with you there, look @ Carter. I think some are trying to give more leeway bc we have been lagging so bad back there (athletically) that Wilcox seems to be the only S that looks like he is fast enough, and can hit hard enough to justify his starting over...Heath or Hamilton? Just no one there yet (and been that way for a minute). Hamlin had one "decent" season only to revert back to chill mode so the team probably feels a little jaded with taking a S high; Roy..then resigning Hamlin too early. Sensabaugh seemed to have the athleticism but the coverage gaffes remained during his tenure as well.

 

[Staubacher]

i mean isn't that how it should be considering nearly all the resources go towards the offense?

We have a 50 million dollar corner. You, like to gripe about the 100 million dollar QB. Romo has given far more bang form the buck than Carr

 

[LatinMind]

He hits well and has more speed while still learning. Church doesn't have the athleticism is all; great leader and teammate I'm sure but a weakness most definitely. He wouldn't start on a good pass D (looking into the future more so).

Lol i guess they have jet packs on him because i see Church all over the field making alot of tackles on bust coverages by CBs, LBers and the somes future all pro Wilcox. Church has lapses from time to time but hes been the most consistent DB they had the last two yrs. All these people saying wilcox is learning. You do know this is barely Churches 2nd yr starting right? Ans his first yr was even better. He had no previous starting exp. The excuses for wilcox need to stop. He just isnt very good.

 

[LatinMind]

I agree with you there, look @ Carter. I think some are trying to give more leeway bc we have been lagging so bad back there (athletically) that Wilcox seems to be the only S that looks like he is fast enough, and can hit hard enough to justify his starting over...Heath or Hamilton? Just no one there yet (and been that way for a minute).

Carter is one of my fav players but he just isnt made for this defense. He needs to be playing inside in somebodys 3-4

 

[xwalker]

So because what Broaddus doesnt see what you are he's inept? Or couldit be the other way around ?

Barry church first yr starting 135 tackles 1 int 6 PD and 3 FF

The sad thing is Wilcox best football came last yr before he got hurt.

Only people anywhere i read news on cowboys that think Wilcox is capable of being that Fs dallas needs is on this forum. News, TV, games, anywhere. its just the GMs in this forum lol. Just because theyre starting for this team doesnt mean theyre starting material. This team just doesnt have anybody better.

LBer for 2015 right now would be Lee at one and Hitchens at another. So that would leave McClain or Durant as another Lber right? Dont think thats a top need either.

Fuzzy and I often disagree, but I think he is correct.

Broaddus seems like a good guy, but he says a lot of things that just aren't logical. His track record has not been good in terms of guys he said would or wouldn't be good.

The announcers said the the other coaching staff and players thought Wilcox was thee biggest improvement in the Cowboys defense since last season. That was during the last Philly game.

Bob Sturm boke down how the busted coverage on a TD by the Bears was on Church and that a coach confirmed it for him.

 

[Staubacher]

Lol i guess they have jet packs on him because i see Church all over the field making alot of tackles on bust coverages by CBs, LBers and the somes future all pro Wilcox. Church has lapses from time to time but hes been the most consistent DB they had the last two yrs. All these people saying wilcox is learning. You do know this is barely Churches 2nd yr starting right? Ans his first yr was even better. He had no previous starting exp. The excuses for wilcox need to stop. He just isnt very good.

Wilcox has been killing this D

 

[LatinMind]

Fuzzy and I often disagree, but I think he is correct.

Broaddus seems like a good guy, but he says a lot of things that just aren't logical. His track record has not been good in terms of guys he said would or wouldn't be good.

The announcers said the the other coaching staff and players thought Wilcox was thee biggest improvement in the Cowboys defense since last season. That was during the last Philly game.

Bob Sturm boke down how the busted coverage on a TD by the Bears was on Church and that a coach confirmed it for him.

NO they didnt say that. They said the defense needed Wilcox to be the biggest improvement.

 

[Doomsday101]

Defense needs to step up too. Its Mark Sánchez not Peyton Manning back there. Make a play and quit waiting to win every game on offense. Even Mince admitted that's what they do. This defense has it better than most in the NFL they are kept off the field so often. If we are going to be a playoff team they have to make plays.

I agree but the main guy is not Sanchez it is McCoy, stop him and put the game in Sanchez hands. Game 1 Sanchez was not put in poor down and distance situation often, where it fell to him. They kept the down and distance manageable keeping our defense off balance.

 

[LatinMind]

Wilcox has been killing this D

Apparently some think he'll be all pro someday lol

 

[BigStar]

Lol i guess they have jet packs on him because i see Church all over the field making alot of tackles on bust coverages by CBs, LBers and the somes future all pro Wilcox. Church has lapses from time to time but hes been the most consistent DB they had the last two yrs. All these people saying wilcox is learning. You do know this is barely Churches 2nd yr starting right? Ans his first yr was even better. He had no previous starting exp. The excuses for wilcox need to stop. He just isnt very good.

I'd say Church is a heady vet who can sometimes compensate for his lack of foot speed but I'm not seeing him all over the field either. He hits well too but watching him try to corner a receiver to the sideline in a Cover 2/3? Remember that Beckam spec catch where he couldn't even get there to attempt a breakup (well I still think he should have him on the ground late but anyway)? That's more of the coverage speed, and lacking quick twitch athleticism to make up for bad angles, etc. that is not in his cards. Now come on now LM, no one here has claimed Wilcox is going to be an AP, just possibly a better SS in 2015 than Church...?

 

[Direwolf63]

How about they keep Wilcox, and get another safety that can cover? Wilcox will probably be better than Church by next season.

This team has played 2 strong safeties for years. They need a ballhawk free safety back there. I don't care which one they keep, Church or Wilcox. But this team lacks a real free safety.

 

[LatinMind]

I agree but the main guy is not Sanchez it is McCoy, stop him and put the game in Sanchez hands. Game 1 Sanchez was not put in poor down and distance situation often where he fell to him they keep the down and distance manageable keeping our defense off balance.

Philly threw for only 215 that game. Philly won that game with the run. They isolated Hitchen and wilcox alot of them strech runs and both got gobbled up

 

[xwalker]

NO they didnt say that. They said the defense needed Wilcox to be the biggest improvement.

No, they siad what I said they said.