Talkin Cowboys 12/9

[Staubacher]

i bang on him too. i was never for that contract from the beginning. i wasn't as down on jenkins as everybody else. that being said the majority of high draft picks and big money players (including dez) are on offense. they set the tone for the game. if they keep going 3 n out they we're screwed. it starts with them.

They rarely go 3 and out. They were unreal on 3rd down for 7 weeks and then had a natural correction. Now they are back around 50 percent on third downs which is very good. And usually they get a first down or two even on their bad possessions and rarely turn it over.

This defense cannot go out there and surrender 3 straight scoring drives to start the game. And I dont think they will - I have us winning 37-24.

 

[Zman5]

So because what Broaddus doesnt see what you are he's inept? Or couldit be the other way around ?

Barry church first yr starting 135 tackles 1 int 6 PD and 3 FF

The sad thing is Wilcox best football came last yr before he got hurt.

Only people anywhere i read news on cowboys that think Wilcox is capable of being that Fs dallas needs is on this forum. News, TV, games, anywhere. its just the GMs in this forum lol. Just because theyre starting for this team doesnt mean theyre starting material. This team just doesnt have anybody better.

LBer for 2015 right now would be Lee at one and Hitchens at another. So that would leave McClain or Durant as another Lber right? Dont think thats a top need either.

Wilcox is very inconsistent and his main issue is play recognition. This is so much more evident when you watch the coach's film. You get to see what he is doing as the play unfolds that you don't get to see on regular broadcast. Things like back peddling 30 yards from the LOS when it's a run play. You see the LBs running to the ball yet he is still back peddling. Taking horrible angles repeatedly. Going for the big hit instead of a sure tackle. Getting fooled easily on misdirection plays. Etc..etc..

He has the physical tools because when he does correctly recognizes the plays, he does very well. That's what's so frustrating about him. Either he's dumb or he doesn't put enough time to film study.

 

[Staubacher]

Wilcox is very inconsistent and his main issue is play recognition. This is so much more evident when you watch the coach's film. You get to see what he is doing as the play unfolds that you don't get to see on regular broadcast. Things like back peddling 30 yards from the LOS when it's a run play. You see the LBs running to the ball yet he is still back peddling. Taking horrible angles repeatedly. Going for the big hit instead of a sure tackle. Getting fooled easily on misdirection plays. Etc..etc..

He has the physical tools because when he does correctly recognizes the plays, he does very well. That's what's so frustrating about him. Either he's dumb or he doesn't put enough time to film study.

Can't teach instincts. He hits hard and that's about it

 

[bayeslife]

No excuse and it is not ok to give up 17 points in the 1st 3 drives but offense controlling the ball keeping defense fresh is what has helped this team and this defense.

Its also not okay to go 3 and out all game.

 

[LatinMind]

So, you prefer an aging CB who's confidence is COMPLETELY shot and has been posterized all season over an athletic guy who has been playing his position for all of 3 years?

BTW, is it his fault that he's learning on the job in the NFL or the F.O.?

Id would preferr both not on the field starting

 

[Staubacher]

Its also not okay to go 3 and out all game.

Tell that to a team that isn't second in the NFL on third down

 

[Zman5]

Can't teach instincts. He hits hard and that's about it

I think if he puts more time into studying the defense and the opposing offenses, he'll at least be more consistent.
Having said that, we do need a real FS . Both Wilcox and Church are same type of player.

 

[JohnsKey19]

I'd challenge the CBs and Ss to cover man. When Sproles is in the game use one of the LBs or DL to cut off one direction of his 2 way go routes helping the primary defender. Force Sanchez to make throws in tighter windows vs MAN and hopefully under more pressure. The status quo ZONE will get us ripped systematically.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

NO they didnt say that. They said the defense needed Wilcox to be the biggest improvement.

Wrong, they said they spoke to the other team's coaches and Wilcox improvement and increased aggressiveness in particular were one of the biggest improvements the defense has seen since the beginning of the year.

YOu ever going to address Church's apparent lack of range providing deep help? We have several examples for this game alone.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Philly threw for only 215 that game. Philly won that game with the run. They isolated Hitchen and wilcox alot of them strech runs and both got gobbled up

On the second play from scrimmage Philly ran a counter and both of the two you mentioned overpursued and were cut off but that was hardly what happened all game. If you want to play that game, Church got annihilated by a TE block and driven back 5 yards.

Selvie and especially Hayden got destroyed by single team blocks repeatedly. Blaming the S for that is just obtuse.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wilcox is very inconsistent and his main issue is play recognition. This is so much more evident when you watch the coach's film. You get to see what he is doing as the play unfolds that you don't get to see on regular broadcast. Things like back peddling 30 yards from the LOS when it's a run play. You see the LBs running to the ball yet he is still back peddling. Taking horrible angles repeatedly. Going for the big hit instead of a sure tackle. Getting fooled easily on misdirection plays. Etc..etc..

He has the physical tools because when he does correctly recognizes the plays, he does very well. That's what's so frustrating about him. Either he's dumb or he doesn't put enough time to film study.

That has been happening less and less as the season goes on. I get the criticism and he still brain farts but I am seeing improvement. Compare and contrast with Church's career arc.

 

[Zman5]

That has been happening less and less as the season goes on. I get the criticism and he still brain farts but I am seeing improvement. Compare and contrast with Church's career arc.

I agree he has gotten better as season moves along and I thought he was over the hump until the game against the EaGirls. He was taking some terrible angles in that game and looked lost out there. Hopefully he bounces back this week.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I agree he has gotten better as season moves along and I thought he was over the hump until the game against the EaGirls. He was taking some terrible angles in that game and looked lost out there. Hopefully he bounces back this week.

Sure but it makes sense that given a week of short preparation against one of the more pressing offenses on the league, he is the one most likely to struggle. He looked better against the Bears. He ran stride for stride with Marshall in the middle of the field and forced Cutler to throw way out in front where S help with any range could easily pick it off. Unfortunately no such help was available.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

If it's a choice between you and Broaddus or my own eyes, it's an easy choice. I watch every single snap the Cowboys play at least 3 times. How many times doall the other people you allude to?

We have been giving up big plays deep up the hashes and the middle of field for three years now. You familiar with the common denominators Church and Carter?

And I have heard plenty of people talk about how Wilcox's play has improved particularly on the national broadcasts. Those guys get access to the coaches and players in the days before the game you know. You can pretend that you have everyone on your side and I have no one on mine but it is both a logical fallacy and moreso just not true. You should pay better attention.

I agree, Wilcox should be moved to SS and we draft a true FS with some range. Thing is we need to hit on first 3 rounds.....DE, LB, FS...... wouldn't mind a RT either to solidify the OL for many years to come.

I like Wilcox and see improvement game to game. His isn't scared to hit and plays hard, looking forward to his development

 

[coult44]

I did like this innovative change to help the D prepare: "How are Cowboys preparing for this offense? At practice they have two huddles. Once one play is ran the 2nd huddle breaks and runs on the field to run the next play. <<< impressive adjustment for this game." That should help prepare physically but it will also be colder; harder to breathe, etc. I see us taking this game because their talent is simply weaker (esp on O). Was also surprised to read they give up almost more than 400 yards per game than our D...or was that a typo?

I bet Weeden is lighting it up

 

[RS12]

Am I the only one who wouldnt shed a tear if they replaced both safeties? The only difference between them IMO is that at least Wilcox has the tools to improve (not saying he will) Church OTOH has aways been a liability in coverage and the three year rule applies.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Cowboys seem to use teams blueprints vs teams. They did it when playing SEA, and dont be suprised to see Dallas do some of the things SEA did. Wether they can execute is the question.

Seattle ran the ball but Lynch looked dinged up. I'll bet we do a better job of it.

The way to attack the eagles is through the air

 

[TrailBlazer]

Am I the only one who wouldnt shed a tear if they replaced both safeties? The only difference between them IMO is that at least Wilcox has the tools to improve (not saying he will) Church OTOH has aways been a liability in coverage and the three year rule applies.

Why would anyone she'd a tear? If it's possible to find better players to replace them, by all means do that. Problem is, we have bigger problems.

 

[Beast_from_East]

The key to beating Philly is getting pressure with the front 4.....................if you cant do that, its going to be a long day.

 

[JBell]

Replace Chancellor with Church and Seattle's D wouldn't skip a beat.