Talking Cowboys 3.14 (Romo)

[starfrombirth]

An important part of reading a defense is knowing when the blitz is coming and from where. It's not just about coverages.

That he's not a finished product should show you why everyone is so excited. The guy could be a top 5 QB with some improvement.

FYI...he was a top 5 QB this year

 

[erod]

FYI...he was a top 5 QB this year

Switch Dak and Wentz, and Wentz would have been a top 5 QB while Dak suffered a ton of ups and downs.

Surroundings are everything. Dak had the best offensive personnel in the NFL.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

FYI...he was a top 5 QB this year

Let's not get silly with hyperbole. I love Dak, but you can't see the world through Star glasses

 

[okstateCowboy]

Switch Dak and Wentz, and Wentz would have been a top 5 QB while Dak suffered a ton of ups and downs.

Matt Cassel would even look good in this offense!

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Switch Dak and Wentz, and Wentz would have been a top 5 QB while Dak suffered a ton of ups and downs.

Surroundings are everything. Dak had the best offensive personnel in the NFL.

And switch Wentz with Aikman, and he'd too have 3 sb's. Aikman had one of the best offensive personnel in the NFL during those years. So basically, switch Wentz with any qb that has thrived. Love the switching game!

 

[pete026]

Try talking to a "Dak lover."

Logic and reason go out the window. This is true of some "Romo lovers" as well, but at least from what goes on at this site, and places like facebook (I know, it's not the place for intelligent debate), the Romo people generally put forth calm rational arguments whereas the Dak people just throw hate at Romo and try to tear him down as a player 95% of the time.

Funny stuff........ this site is known as Romania across the Cowboys web. Calm, rational? Someone starts a thread on Ware's retirement and within 10 posts, guess who's name comes up? This place is a good source for Cowboys info but even more entertaining if you don't take it too seriously. And FWIW, when it comes to Romo, I didn't think 95% was in your vocabulary!

 

[Melonfeud]

I do like it. It's just not pie. Period. End of discussion.

When I was a kid, my Grandma became disgusted because my Mom stated she was coming by with a pie. I cried like a little girl.

It wasn't pie.

 

[erod]

Matt Cassel would even look good in this offense!

Not comparing Dak to a scrub like Cassel.....but if Cassel had Dez Bryant (hurt all 2015, even when he came back) and had Zeke Elliott or Demarco Murray, it would have been better than what we saw.

Dak had the best offensive line in the NFL, the best RB in the NFL, a Hall of Fame tight end, Dez Bryant, Cole Beasley, and Terrance Williams.

That's as good as it gets.

 

[pete026]

And right on cue......

 

[erod]

I do like it. It's just not pie. Period. End of discussion.

When I was a kid, my Grandma became disgusted because my Mom stated she was coming by with a pie. I cried like a little girl.

It wasn't pie.

Never forget when I was young, I met an Italian kid from Chicago. Still a great friend of mine.

They called their pizza "pies" and their spaghetti sauce "gravy". It took some therapy sessions, but I've since recovered.

 

[ShiningStar]

Try talking to a "Dak lover."

Logic and reason go out the window. This is true of some "Romo lovers" as well, but at least from what goes on at this site, and places like facebook (I know, it's not the place for intelligent debate), the Romo people generally put forth calm rational arguments whereas the Dak people just throw hate at Romo and try to tear him down as a player 95% of the time.

What about the "Hutch" Lovers or Carter lovers? Huh, have you tried debating with them?

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Not comparing Dak to a scrub like Cassel.....but if Cassel had Dez Bryant (hurt all 2015, even when he came back) and had Zeke Elliott or Demarco Murray, it would have been better than what we saw.

Dak had the best offensive line in the NFL, the best RB in the NFL, a Hall of Fame tight end, Dez Bryant, Cole Beasley, and Terrance Williams.

That's as good as it gets.

And yet you're sure he's going to suck next year while all those guys are still there. That's what I call logically consistent.

 

[erod]

And yet you're sure he's going to suck next year while all those guys are still there. That's what I call logically consistent.

We're going to find out a ton about Dak next season.

Defensive coordinators started to reel him in, and they'll have a good book on him. He's got a lot of learning to do this offseason. The offensive line is lessened, so I don't expect a run game like last year. It's going to rest on Dak a lot more to carry the water.

I trust he'll respond to this well in time. But it will take time. I think next season will be a transitional year for him and this team.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

We're going to find out a ton about Dak next season.

Defensive coordinators started to reel him in, and they'll have a good book on him. He's got a lot of learning to do this offseason. The offensive line is lessened, so I don't expect a run game like last year. It's going to rest on Dak a lot more to carry the water.

I trust he'll respond to this well in time. But it will take time. I think next season will be a transitional year for him and this team.

See. That's a contradictory position. The only common thread is bias.

 

[khiladi]

The Giants blitzed. Same trouble when Giants blitzed Romo. All I know is Dak completed 67.8% \of his passes. With only 4 picks.

This comparison is absolutely stupid, considering Romo had no trouble with the blitz in 2014 when he had an actual OC calling plays and not Jason Garrett and ' free-running blitzers and no running game. He threw 34 TDs and 9 total INT, most of them coming the beginning of the season and he didn't even play a game. He was beating teams by his arm.

During the Jason Garrett era, he was getting sacked 40 times a season, but he was still throwing TDs. And anybody would have struggled against free runners.

Dak had a world-class OL and a passing game built on play-action and very rarely did teams 'blitz' other than out of desparation to try and force plays. The only game where teams really blitzed him from the start were the Giants and the Eagles in the second game and he struggled.

He also threw close to 68% but only had 23 TDs.

 

[erod]

See. That's a contradictory position. The only common thread is bias.

No bias at all. Personnel is a real thing. There have been loads of one-hit wonders over the years. Dak would hardly be the first to shine early, then fade quickly. He seems to have the moxie, work ethic, and character to avoid the fall, but we'll see soon.

I don't think this is going to be a great season for him, but I think great seasons are ahead for him. Too many QBs get destroyed mentally from the adjustment period that occurs.

Byron Leftwich, Josh Freeman, David Carr, RG3, Vince Young, Colin Kaepernick, Nick Foles, Rex Grossman, Blake Bortles.....

There's a long list of guys that quickly flame out after a good start.

 

[ShiningStar]

No bias at all. Personnel is a real thing. There have been loads of one-hit wonders over the years. Dak would hardly be the first to shine early, then fade quickly. He seems to have the moxie, work ethic, and character to avoid the fall, but we'll see soon.

I don't think this is going to be a great season for him, but I think great seasons are ahead for him. Too many QBs get destroyed mentally from the adjustment period that occurs.

Byron Leftwich, Josh Freeman, David Carr, RG3, Vince Young, Colin Kaepernick, Nick Foles, Rex Grossman, Blake Bortles.....

There's a long list of guys that quickly flame out after a good start.

we dont agree a lot,, but on this we do. Yes it shouldnt be a debate if it happens. The only counter point i can make is that if you look at what Dak achieved in his rookie year vs what the otehrs did, Dak really soared and set records and had a phenomal year.

But yes, history and facts dictate guys can be flash in the pans so it is correct to point out it can happen.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

No bias at all. Personnel is a real thing. There have been loads of one-hit wonders over the years. Dak would hardly be the first to shine early, then fade quickly. He seems to have the moxie, work ethic, and character to avoid the fall, but we'll see soon.

I don't think this is going to be a great season for him, but I think great seasons are ahead for him. Too many QBs get destroyed mentally from the adjustment period that occurs.

Byron Leftwich, Josh Freeman, David Carr, RG3, Vince Young, Colin Kaepernick, Nick Foles, Rex Grossman, Blake Bortles.....

There's a long list of guys that quickly flame out after a good start.

When you've just argued that it's because his supporting cast is the best ever it is an absolute contradiction.

Herr herr he's only good because of the other guys on offense.
Herr herr he's going to suck next year.

You can't hold both of these positions without a severe level of cognitive dissonance.

 

[khiladi]

This is what Tony Romo was working with by the end of the Jason Garrett era:

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You put Dak in it, he'd be broken after the first year.. ninety percent of the biggest homers are ready to fire Linehan if he happens to abandon the run with Zeke for two minutes in a game..

Garrett had absolutely no clue what at he was doing and the only time they had really success is when they basically had to rely on Tony Romo's arm and him doing things on the fly in hurry-up..

And Romo wasn't even allowed in game-planning until he got the new contract after that season.

 

[erod]

we dont agree a lot,, but on this we do. Yes it shouldnt be a debate if it happens. The only counter point i can make is that if you look at what Dak achieved in his rookie year vs what the otehrs did, Dak really soared and set records and had a phenomal year.

But yes, history and facts dictate guys can be flash in the pans so it is correct to point out it can happen.

Dak had a perfect situation, and for a rookie, he played it perfectly. People here think I didn't appreciate him. Good gosh, I was in awe of what he did just like everybody else. Rookies usually don't play with that much poise and RESTRAINT.

Teams started taking that play action rollout away, and that will continue. He's going to have to learn to read defenses better at the line. That can take years. If Romo does play and has any success elsewhere, he's going to have to weather the criticism here while he's learning.