Tank Lawrence - at what point do we part ways with him?

[aikemirv]

With the restructure they just did, you can pretty much assume barring a catastrophic injury that he’s here for at least the next 2 seasons.

Exactly, they keep kicking the can down the road with him. We could have done much better with that money I think if we just wanted to stop the run!

 

[conner01]

AD played 11 games, not 17 and he’s an interior rusher. Please don’t ever compare him to AD again.

It shows the craziness of those that can’t see what Dlaw brings

 

[nathanlt]

Coog, the first thing I think needs to be looked at is effectiveness. Not just the stats, but actual game film to see how he is impacting the other team's O and helping our D. If we can get another player that costs significantly less with the same effectiveness, then it becomes time to look at moving on. I don't know all the salary implications regarding this.

Can't help but think of this play to gauge "effectiveness." Busted through a double team, took out the lead blocker, forced a fumble from the 4th player he came in contact with, for TFL and fumble.

 

[gimmesix]

Been a cowboys player for years, at what point do we part ways with him. With the big deals that need to get signed, and the way Quinn can make something out of nothing with a DL guy, I can see him being gone eventually.

NOT THAT I WANT HIM GONE, but when you think of contracts coming up Diggs, Lamb, Micah down the road, can we afford to have him here also???

Please give your thoughts, bash me not the others on this post this is NOT meant to be a Lawrence hate thread, just asking a question!

The cost to cut him after this season is slightly higher than the cost to keep him, so unless he's playing bad, then it would make more sense to restructure by adding a couple of void years to lower his hit next year. Essentially, we'd be paying for him for the next two years (after this one) but getting one year of play for it, if I understand cap manipulations correctly.

There's no real benefit to cutting him that I can see.

 

[gimmesix]

After this season he can be a June 1st casualty and the Cowboys free up $10MM and eat $10MM in cap space.

That seems to make it quite the toss up with the X factor simply being what his 2023 season looks like. As long as he is healthy and effective it's an easy call to let him play out his contract. If he can't stay on the field or shows regression it's pretty easy to move on.

They can do the same with a restructure that adds void years, though. Don't have to cut him. His $10 million base for 2024 is an easy target for restructure. Not sure what the rules are on adding void years, though.

 

[thunderpimp91]

They can do the same with a restructure that adds void years, though. Don't have to cut him. His $10 million base for 2024 is an easy target for restructure. Not sure what the rules are on adding void years, though.

I think they’ve already done that. He’s set for a 2025 void year with something like $7m. They could always push some more into that for sure, just not sure they’d want to.

 

[gimmesix]

I think they’ve already done that. He’s set for a 2025 void year with something like $7m. They could always push some more into that for sure, just not sure they’d want to.

Never mind. Just thought about the fact that if we restructured the base, we'd have to guarantee it. We might could do that slightly, but we wouldn't want to do it much because it'll add to the eventual dead cap hit. Maybe turn $6 million into bonus over two years so that it only pushes $3 million forward into the next year as dead cap (to add to the other void-year hit).

I just think that not saving anything in 2024 for cutting him makes it less likely that we cut him. Of course, we do earn the ability to split that hit over two years, so that could be inviting. We could just play him out at $20.4 million, but that $10 million base seems like a good target for money if we need it.

 

[Sydla]

Been a cowboys player for years, at what point do we part ways with him. With the big deals that need to get signed, and the way Quinn can make something out of nothing with a DL guy, I can see him being gone eventually.

NOT THAT I WANT HIM GONE, but when you think of contracts coming up Diggs, Lamb, Micah down the road, can we afford to have him here also???

Please give your thoughts, bash me not the others on this post this is NOT meant to be a Lawrence hate thread, just asking a question!

You don't.

There is minimal cap savings over the next two years in cutting him.

So there's your answer.

 

[KJJ]

The Cowboys won’t move on from DLaw until there’s an obvious drop off in his play. Once we feel we need an upgrade at his position then it’s time.

 

[EPL0c0]

Coog, the first thing I think needs to be looked at is effectiveness. Not just the stats, but actual game film to see how he is impacting the other team's O and helping our D. If we can get another player that costs significantly less with the same effectiveness, then it becomes time to look at moving on. I don't know all the salary implications regarding this.

Last season on paper, Tank was ok to good. But on film, he did so much dirty work that let others run wild.

I still think he's underrated by a lot of folks that only look at the stat sheet

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

When someone takes his.job

 

[CowboyoWales]

Last season on paper, Tank was ok to good. But on film, he did so much dirty work that let others run wild.

I still think he's underrated by a lot of folks that only look at the stat sheet

It's the juxtaposition that a lot of Cowboys fans dont get....we need run defense, but when we have elite seal on the edge we complain about paying for it.

Tank is, as you say, an integral part of the Defense, without him the run game further opens up to our left and yes he'll probably take fewer %snaps as Sam Williams steps up and establishes himself (hopefully as a 3 down edge in next couple of years).

Tank isnt a Jaylon (even with his injuries), he provides a good service (especially against the run) and we arent in a CAP scenario where we need to speak about Lawrence.

 

[CCBoy]

'Tank' Lawrence is a true team leader. Dallas is a pretty good evaluator of talent and are getting pretty responsible at taking care of projecting and measuring current talent.

Lawrence is a dedicated team member and has given his commitment to the team, and not just a maxed salary.

The team does it's homework and now is the middle of team evaluations and the Cowboys are not in any text uneducated at after action evaluations. There are and always a need to move from an athlete to a stronger team integrated value.

The team knows their roster and how commitment is affected by their players. Tank is part of the current heart beat of team and progress as well.

The two lines, offense and defense, are fully in view right now,,.but the strength need at building doesn't currently fall onto Tank's shoulder at holding the team back. That need is at offensive guard, and top priority should be focused there for who should receive the highest focus at improving and projecting from right now. Tank fits and so does his current leadership and skills.

The offensive line is where team schemes/directions must be returned to image of the team. Prescott will be taken to further development and he will further learn the skills to carry and protect the team in exciting and demanding times when all has to click end or the season is over.

This fan is looking forward to team....I would go guard first now.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Been a cowboys player for years, at what point do we part ways with him. With the big deals that need to get signed, and the way Quinn can make something out of nothing with a DL guy, I can see him being gone eventually.

NOT THAT I WANT HIM GONE, but when you think of contracts coming up Diggs, Lamb, Micah down the road, can we afford to have him here also???

Please give your thoughts, bash me not the others on this post this is NOT meant to be a Lawrence hate thread, just asking a question!

after his contract is done. his contract is fully gauranteed. in fact the first player ever to get total of 7 years of guaranteed contracts...all of that for average of 6 sacks a year

 

[Coogiguy03]

after his contract is done. his contract is fully gauranteed. in fact the first player ever to get total of 7 years of guaranteed contracts...all of that for average of 6 sacks a year

Hmmmmmmm

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Been a cowboys player for years, at what point do we part ways with him. With the big deals that need to get signed, and the way Quinn can make something out of nothing with a DL guy, I can see him being gone eventually.

NOT THAT I WANT HIM GONE, but when you think of contracts coming up Diggs, Lamb, Micah down the road, can we afford to have him here also???

Please give your thoughts, bash me not the others on this post this is NOT meant to be a Lawrence hate thread, just asking a question!

I'll preface by saying I I agree 100% with what you're saying. That said. I think there are more important things to worry about than Tank. Let's just say we do cut him. I don't trust the Jones' to use the money (saved) wisely. I don't like the idea of Dak's contract being renewed but I have a feeling it's going to happen anyway. We need more upgrade on the OL and blockers who will help keep Dak upright.

 

[Ken]

Been a cowboys player for years, at what point do we part ways with him. With the big deals that need to get signed, and the way Quinn can make something out of nothing with a DL guy, I can see him being gone eventually.

NOT THAT I WANT HIM GONE, but when you think of contracts coming up Diggs, Lamb, Micah down the road, can we afford to have him here also???

Please give your thoughts, bash me not the others on this post this is NOT meant to be a Lawrence hate thread, just asking a question!

when he stops making plays like this....

 

[G2]

You don't.

 

[kskboys]

Tank is a very good player and a welcome part of our D. However, he's a 10 mil/season type player, not 20. Think Tony Tolbert. Can't pay the sidekick Batman pay.

 

[kskboys]

Exactly, they keep kicking the can down the road with him. We could have done much better with that money I think if we just wanted to stop the run!

Doubtful. Tank is a beast vs the run, hard to replace.