Tate's Catch v. Dez's Non-catch Catch

[blindzebra]

Thanks for doing that. Picture 1 is what I was referring to in my earlier post. Dez's right foot (on the ground) is his second step. His body position is about as upright as can be given that he is running. How can one surmise, with 100% certainty, that a normal person, much less an athlete of Dez's caliber, would fall if not tripped here? I can understand a fan coming up with that conclusion, but not a professional official.
At any rate, thanks again for posting that!

The key is what in that replay was conclusive visual evidence to overturn the call on the field? We know according to the source himself that a football move completes the process and trumps going to the ground. Are we to really believe that a 90 degree turn, a step, switching the ball to one hand, a brace, a push off of the left foot, and a reach with the left arm, that was part of catching a pass? Even if you are willing to buy that the turn, step, and brace were part of going to the ground, how can you explain switching the ball to the hand closest to the goal line?

 

[LandryFan]

The key is what in that replay was conclusive visual evidence to overturn the call on the field? We know according to the source himself that a football move completes the process and trumps going to the ground. Are we to really believe that a 90 degree turn, a step, switching the ball to one hand, a brace, a push off of the left foot, and a reach with the left arm, that was part of catching a pass? Even if you are willing to buy that the turn, step, and brace were part of going to the ground, how can you explain switching the ball to the hand closest to the goal line?

That has been my position all along. Yet, Blandino had irrefutable evidence on which to overturn the call? You, and many others, have stated that if the catch process is complete (including making a football move), then even if he's falling it doesn't matter. Dez caught it and Blandino wrongly overturned it because the party bus fiasco and the Detroit game influenced his judgment. That's simply all there is to it.

 

[percyhoward]

Thanks for doing that. Picture 1 is what I was referring to in my earlier post. Dez's right foot (on the ground) is his second step. His body position is about as upright as can be given that he is running. How can one surmise, with 100% certainty, that a normal person, much less an athlete of Dez's caliber, would fall if not tripped here? I can understand a fan coming up with that conclusion, but not a professional official.
At any rate, thanks again for posting that!

I knew pic #1 was what you were looking for. #2 and #3 are just there to show how little of his balance Dez actually needs to stay upright. It's impossible to say there was indisputable evidence that he was going to the ground on his own. And we already know that Shields' trip should have negated the need to hold onto the ball when he landed.

"Did the receiver have both feet down prior to him getting contacted, which sent him to the ground?" Blandino said during his weekly segment on NFL Network's "NFL Total Access." "If that's the case, then he doesn't have to hold onto it when he hits the ground."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...s-referees-made-correct-calls-in-playoff-game

 

[LandryFan]

I knew pic #1 was what you were looking for. #2 and #3 are just there to show how little of his balance Dez actually needs to stay upright. It's impossible to say there was indisputable evidence that he was going to the ground on his own. And we already know that Shields' trip should have negated the need to hold onto the ball when he landed.

"Did the receiver have both feet down prior to him getting contacted, which sent him to the ground?" Blandino said during his weekly segment on NFL Network's "NFL Total Access." "If that's the case, then he doesn't have to hold onto it when he hits the ground."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...s-referees-made-correct-calls-in-playoff-game

Wow...is all I can say. Dez got two feet down...never mind. Some on here say "who are we to argue with professionals?" Well, Dean Blandino is not a professional official in the true sense. He has never officiated one game in his life...but he's a professional and therefore shouldn't be questioned...OK. Some of those same people, BTW, have no issue with questioning professional coaches, QB's, etc.

 

[Zekeats]

Title should read Tates non catch vs Dez catch

 

[Nightman]

I (and many others) see the same thing you do. It's possible that he still falls, but I think it's likely, especially considering his athletic ability, that he walks into the end zone. Even if he did fall, it wouldn't have been until he was well into the end zone after stumbling.

And the stumble had nothing to do with making the catch. He didn't dive for the ball. He went straight up to high point the ball vs the defender.

The catch had nothing to do with going to the ground. With two feet down he becomes a runner and when the ball pops loose it is down by contact, nevermind that he re-catches it anyways.

 

[KJJ]

Wow...is all I can say. Dez got two feet down...never mind. Some on here say "who are we to argue with professionals?" Well, Dean Blandino is not a professional official in the true sense. He has never officiated one game in his life...but he's a professional and therefore shouldn't be questioned...OK. Some of those same people, BTW, have no issue with questioning professional coaches, QB's, etc.

Blandino was a replay official in two SBs and a couple of title games so he has officiated games.

Blandino was an NFL instant replay official from 1999-2003 and was selected to work as the replay official for two Super Bowls and two conference championship games. He managed the NFL instant replay program from 2003-2009, including oversight of the system’s upgrade to high definition in 2007. From 2007-2009, he was director of officiating and the number-two person in the department, supervising day-to-day operations, including managing the support staff and the game officials' schedule, under Mike Pereira.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...ndino-named-nfl-vice-president-of-officiating[/quote]

 

[Nightman]

I knew pic #1 was what you were looking for. #2 and #3 are just there to show how little of his balance Dez actually needs to stay upright. It's impossible to say there was indisputable evidence that he was going to the ground on his own. And we already know that Shields' trip should have negated the need to hold onto the ball when he landed.

"Did the receiver have both feet down prior to him getting contacted, which sent him to the ground?" Blandino said during his weekly segment on NFL Network's "NFL Total Access." "If that's the case, then he doesn't have to hold onto it when he hits the ground."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...s-referees-made-correct-calls-in-playoff-game

Even Tate doesn't meet that requirement. The CHI defender instantly starts stripping the ball away, ultimately causing him to go to the ground.

The contact that sent him to the ground started before he got his second foot down. But just like the Dez catch, Tate does not go to the ground to make the catch, he is knocked to the ground while getting his second foot down.

 

[LandryFan]

Blandino was a replay official in two SBs and a couple of title games so he has officiated games.
Blandino was an NFL instant replay official from 1999-2003 and was selected to work as the replay official for two Super Bowls and two conference championship games. He managed the NFL instant replay program from 2003-2009, including oversight of the system’s upgrade to high definition in 2007. From 2007-2009, he was director of officiating and the number-two person in the department, supervising day-to-day operations, including managing the support staff and the game officials' schedule, under Mike Pereira.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...ndino-named-nfl-vice-president-of-officiating

[/quote]

That's not the same as being an on field official. He has never officiated one game. That's akin to me being good at video war games and saying I'm a combat expert.

 

[blindzebra]

That's not the same as being an on field official. He has never officiated one game. That's akin to me being good at video war games and saying I'm a combat expert.

It is like Madden vs real games...he was the pimple faced kid video taping the game and not playing.

 

[LandryFan]

It is like Madden vs real games...he was the pimple faced kid video taping the game and not playing.

Exactly. I have a hard time understanding why the league would even consider putting one in that position with no real-world experience to back it up. They are reaping what they sewed.

 

[KJJ]

That's not the same as being an on field official. He has never officiated one game. That's akin to me being good at video war games and saying I'm a combat expert.

How is having the power to reverse a call made on the field not officiating a game? Are you aware you're disputing an artical that clearly says Blandino was an official and officiated games? Some here are so bent on disagreeing they disagree with facts.

 

[percyhoward]

Even Tate doesn't meet that requirement. The CHI defender instantly starts stripping the ball away, ultimately causing him to go to the ground.

The contact that sent him to the ground started before he got his second foot down. But just like the Dez catch, Tate does not go to the ground to make the catch, he is knocked to the ground while getting his second foot down.

Tate just had to hold onto the ball long enough after two feet were down to be considered a runner. Total judgment call as to how long is long enough, since there's no football move to look for anymore, and there wouldn't have been a football move in the end zone anyway -- even under the old rules.

 

[LandryFan]

How is having the power to reverse a call made on the field not officiating a game? Are you aware you're disputing an artical that clearly says Blandino was an official and officiated games? Some here are so bent on disagreeing they disagree with facts.

What part of "he has never officiated a game as an on-field official" do you not understand? Real world experience should be a prerequisite for someone in his position. So some article says he is an official and that makes it so and I can't dispute it? I can find many other articles that say he's an idiot..they're just as credible. Not everything you read is true.

 

[dallasdave]

That's not the same as being an on field official. He has never officiated one game. That's akin to me being good at video war games and saying I'm a combat expert.[/quote]

 

[blindzebra]

How is having the power to reverse a call made on the field not officiating a game? Are you aware you're disputing an artical that clearly says Blandino was an official and officiated games? Some here are so bent on disagreeing they disagree with facts.

Actually in his role as a replay official he did not overturn calls, he buzzed the referee under 2 minutes if something was questionable and the referee made that call...so yet again you are wrong.

 

[Dday22t]

This is a touchdown:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/10/gol...ption-bears-lions-explanation-nfl-rules-catch

But this is an incomplete pass:

http://thebiglead.com/2015/01/11/de...h-overturned-by-referees-cowboys-get-screwed/

Discuss.

Dumb. If he has 2 feet down at any point with ball in his hands even for a split second it should be a catch. If ball comes after it's fumble. Shouldn't matter if he goes to ground or not.
Breaking the plane of end-zone or 2 feet down in end-zone with ball should also always be a TD regardless if he falls to ground after and ball comes out.

 

[Nightman]

Tate just had to hold onto the ball long enough after two feet were down to be considered a runner. Total judgment call as to how long is long enough, since there's no football move to look for anymore, and there wouldn't have been a football move in the end zone anyway -- even under the old rules.

What I was saying was that Tate didn't have both feet down before the contact was initiated that ultimately sent him to the ground. Using Blandino's words he would have to maintain possession through going to the ground, even though he was tackled to ground, just like Dez.

 

[KJJ]

What part of "he has never officiated a game as an on-field official" do you not understand? Real world experience should be a prerequisite for someone in his position. So some article says he is an official and that makes it so and I can't dispute it? I can find many other articles that say he's an idiot..they're just as credible. Not everything you read is true.

You mentioned that but you went on to say He has never officiated one game. That's not true because replay officials officiate games. So you honestly believe the article got it wrong and he wasn't a replay official?

 

[KJJ]

Blandino spent 20 years in officiating moving up the ranks and some act like he got a high ranking position by having his name pulled out of a hat.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...edian-dean-blandino-one-most-powerful-men-nfl