Taylor Happily Redo Contract To Expedite Trade To Dallas..

I don't know if I'm up for this deal or not but for those who suggest Taylor can't play OLB I would ask you if you felt the same way about Ellis two years ago?

Since Ellis made that transition very successfully, I'm thinking Taylor could as well.

But that age (and money barring restructuring magic) difference really gives one pause.
 
The problem here is that Greg Ellis would also probably want a new contract.. I mean you don't think he would actually go quietly and willingly do you?

Besides, he is already under contract, pretty much until retirement, for the Cowboys.. I think they would be more likely to trade someone with one year left on their deal that they may not be able to pay or don't think it's worth it to pay for.
 
CoCo;2102022 said:
I don't know if I'm up for this deal or not but for those who suggest Taylor can't play OLB I would ask you if you felt the same way about Ellis two years ago?

Since Ellis made that transition very successfully, I'm thinking Taylor could as well.

But that age (and money barring restructuring magic) difference really gives one pause.
No one said he can't play WOLB. It's SOLB that he would be replacing.

There really is a difference.
 
First, Best I remember Greg Ellis had written into his contract that he couldnt be traded unless he approved the deal, not sure but i think something along those lines were written. Next, even if not, but I think was contact written Greg Ellis isnt going to a losing team that is rebuilding, just wont happen.

Second, like someone mentioned, and I posted this too about 2-3 weeks ago, that a trade for jason taylor from miami and i got blasted pretty good, by some guys telling me no, wont happen, you dont want another older player.


Third, like some guy mentioned, I think this is the type of deal that when the Cowboys traded for Charles Haley, can have the same effect for us. Granted Jason Taylor plays mostly RDE, but best I remember in 2006, he played outside linebacker in the 3-4 in 2006 and won defenisve player of the year honors. So, he can make transition. Now, if he only played right side, can he play leftside, where you need to be stronger on outside, and learn left handed moves, I dont know that, but the guy Jason Taylor is a beast like Haley was, and there is a report that he would redo his contract to work out a trade with Dallas.

Next, you got to remember, his buddy Zach Thomas is here, and telling him what he sees, etc, and what Dallas needs on defense. Taylor wants to be in a super bowl and win, be a champion. Taylor also has played in a big playoff game and he knows what it takes to win. Thats a must for our defense. Also, Taylor said he would play 2-3 years if traded to Dallas.

Next, if you guys remember, right after the playoff loss to the Giants, greg ellis popped off again that maybe he would be better off in New england. Now, is that the type of leader that you want on defense, that is showing our defensive players what it takes to win and go to the super bowl?

Just think about that, and let that sink in!

I say this, greg said he wanted to go to new england, trade him to the patriots, hopefully you can get a # 3, then if so, trade our # 3 pick to miami. I think new englands pick will be higher in the draft than our pick in the 3rd this year.

NOt sure if i would trade bobby carpenter, but we alll know that bill parcells wants bobby in miami. Maybe a trade if need be, and we can get a draft pick in exchange or something if need be.

I look at it this way, not sure where it is, but I believe in this, where the Lord says I build powers, principalities, kingdoms, etc, and i can tear them down. The Lord knows what we need, what players would help us to win those championships again. So, whatever he thinks we need, then let him whisper to jerry jones and the cowboys whatever we need to build our dynasty in Dallas again like we had in early 1990's.

In other words, let the chips fall where they may, whatever we need, go get it.

As far as charles haley in age too jason taylor, their are about the same age, Haley was born in 1964, he was 22 when he was drafted by the 49ers, and 33 when he was traded to cowboys in 92. So, best to my knowledge that makes taylor one year older, not much, and if you remember, haley was a terror at 33 and 34, had back back when he was 36, but helped us win the super bowl against the steelers, but he was on decline at end of 95.

So, I say, whatever we need, if you see it can help your team, go do it, dont give away the farm though, make bill parcells give up something this time. REmember now, parcells got hoyte, keith davis, Fasaon a # 2 draft pick and akin odoyle for a 4th pick, so i say, its time we milk somethiing out of parcells.
 
Why it makes sense for Dallas: Anthony Spencer at this point is a better player defending the run than he is as a pass rusher. Anthony Spencer starts in base packages, and Taylor comes in as a nickel pass rusher. It best suits both of their talents. In the process, they get rid of the perpetual headache of Greg Ellis, and Taylor is a much more dynamic playmaker than Ellis.

Why it makes sense for Ellis: He goes to a rebuilding team where he doesn't have to be threatened by other good players. He can play 100% of the snaps there ... they don't have anyone else. Maybe Miami will "show him sove love" by reworking his contract.

Why it makes sense for Miami: They get rid of the Jason Taylor headache, and now they have a player who is already familiar with the coaches and schemes. Greg is a good guy when it comes to working with the young players, so he acts as a coach on the field. They also save cap space which they can use to rebuild the team.

Why it makes sense for Taylor: Wants a chance to play for the Ring. Future Hollywood actor gets to play for the most high exposure fanchise in the NFL. Reunited with his brother-in-law.
 
stasheroo;2101998 said:
Second!

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Except that the Dolphins have been fleecing our roster of late. We will give up more than Greg to get Taylor. That is something I am not willing to do. This one will be for Ellis and Carp.
 
dmq;2102041 said:
Except that the Dolphins have been fleecing our roster of late. We will give up more than Greg to get Taylor. That is something I am not willing to do. This one will be for Ellis and Carp.

And that would be fleecing us?

:confused:
 
I love it!! This is the kind of stuff that makes football great. Regardless of who you like, this is the kind of rumor that grows legs QUICK! You're getting a little older if you get Taylor, but you also get a physical specimen who has never worn a serious injury ( like an achilles sp). Although I would be happy with Ellis to stay, I must say I am getting tired of his childish pouting.
 
stasheroo;2102047 said:
And that would be fleecing us?

:confused:

I'm not sure they would get anything more than Ellis if that. Ellis is a pro-bowler, like Taylor....except he hasn't publicly stated he will LIKELY only play one more season. Several factors that would make it essentially an even swap in my book....with the Dolphins feeling like they got the better end slightly.
 
i woudnt give the dolphins ellis and carpenter, way too much;

i would swap greg ellis for taylor, but not much more than that;

doubt parcells would want an older player though, best option would be to trade greg to new england, where he wanted to go after giants playoff loss, and he compalined

then give that pick to miami for taylor, your also keeping taylor away from the giants and eagles, and i think taylor can make us go top defense like we did in 92 when we traded for charles haley;

that trade cost us a # 2 and 4th pick, best i remember
 
Taylor is a better pass rusher than Ellis.
Taylor is more athletic than Ellis.
Taylor has a better pedigree than Ellis. (DPOY, stats, etc.)
Taylor is roughly the same age as Ellis.
Taylor has played OLB in the 3-4 under Saban and continued in a hybrid version of it last year.
Taylor has typically played on the right side, however in our system Ware and Ellis often switch up so that's not an issue.
Taylor's contract is probably higher but if the "report" is correct, sounds as if he'd restructure in order to play on a SB contending team.
We wouldn't have to listen to Ellis' incessant whining every year.

I have yet to find any real negatives on trading Taylor for Ellis....but yet something makes me leary of pulling the trigger on this deal.
 
Hostile;2101922 said:
He's a natural RDE, which means Canty's spot.
sacase;2101934 said:
So basically we would have to teach him to be a OLD.....Keep Ellis.
In a 4-3 he is a RDE, he is an OLB in a 3-4 and he has actually played OLB in a 3-4 set in Miami with Saban. Anyhow, Taylor is 255lbs. He would be road kill playing a 3-4 DE. Canty and Spears are 295lbs and there is a big reason they are 295lbs. Their primary job is to eat offensive lineman on running plays and apply pressure on pass plays.
 
Hostile;2102025 said:
No one said he can't play WOLB. It's SOLB that he would be replacing.

There really is a difference.

We need rack in here because this isn't a debate we've had since last year. Eitehr OLB should be interchangeable because offenses motion and whatnot the TE/HB/FB etc to eitehr side to get the matchup they want.

Just because Taylor lined up against the LT doesn't mean that he didnt see a healthy share of TE as well.

Regardless we would have Spencer in there too and a rotation or formation with all three in on passing downs would be superb.
 
Trade Ellis in a heartbeat for Taylor. We are too close to a title and if Taylor will restructure he would be a clear upgrade over Ellis.

Taylor has been a consistent force for a longtime without anyone opposite him as a rusher.

What do you think he would do with Ware teaming with him?

P.S. Taylor can move and drop better than Ellis ever thought of doing...
 
FuzzyLumpkins;2102065 said:
We need rack in here because this isn't a debate we've had since last year. Eitehr OLB should be interchangeable because offenses motion and whatnot the TE/HB/FB etc to eitehr side to get the matchup they want.

Just because Taylor lined up against the LT doesn't mean that he didnt see a healthy share of TE as well.

Regardless we would have Spencer in there too and a rotation or formation with all three in on passing downs would be superb.
Rack is pissed at me and says he won't be back.
 
FuzzyLumpkins;2102070 said:
LOL what did you do this time?

:)
He and another poster got into a pissing match via PMs. I advised him to put the other poster on Ignore. He didn't and the pissing match escalated. He received a PM that quite frankly was beyond atrocious, but he had baited that poster into it and had ignored my advice. My sending a Warning to that poster instead of a suspension was not good enough in his mind and he left. I do my best to be fair and feel I was, to both of them. I agree with him that the PM was way over the top, but I don't agree with how he handled his side of it, especially after my advice.

I like Rack and wish he'd change his mind, but I believe I handled it exactly right given the circumstances.
 
keep Ellis and make him a 3rd down/pass rushing specialist. make spencer the starter. Taylor said he only wants to play for 1 more year or 2.
 
Rampage;2102072 said:
keep Ellis and make him a 3rd down/pass rushing specialist. make spencer the starter. Taylor said he only wants to play for 1 more year or 2.

Ya see, if you wanted to do that with the spot then Taylor would be the better option.
 

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