Tension rises between Adrian Peterson's agent

[Dave_in-NC]

Seriously? The Cowboys had the game in hand at that point and if Murray had scored there instead of fumbling, it's effectively over and never gets to the worst call in NFL playoff history.

If our defense would have made the stop on GBs last drive. Game over. Our defense left Rodgers clean and he couldn't move.
I get your agenda, discredit Murray every way you can to make people think AP will be the savior. With out Murray we aren't even in GB to begin with. Even after that game the defense did way way better than most thought they would but they were certainly the weak link going into the playoffs.

 

[Stash]

If our defense would have made the stop on GBs last drive. Game over. Our defense left Rodgers clean and he couldn't move.

Our defense was what it was, they were overmatched all season and held it together and held up much better than any of us could have hoped for. Murray had his biggest screw-up at the worst possible time.

I get your agenda, discredit Murray every way you can to make people think AP will be the savior. With out Murray we aren't even in GB to begin with. Even after that game the defense did way way better than most thought they would but they were certainly the weak link going into the playoffs.

Exactly, see my point above.

But unlike other agendas, I'm not making things up. Murray fumbled in the biggest game of his life, in all likelihood turning a touchdown into eventual points for the other team. That happened, it's not agenda.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I just hope Peterson has some mileage left..

OK, you half me miffed and peeved and all atwitter:
the above quote by you strike me over my big brain head as an underwhelming endorsement of a player. We dont need players espending their last quart of gasoline before he hit the wall of averageness.

Holla because you half upset me.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Our defense was what it was, they were overmatched all season and held it together and held up much better than any of us could have hoped for. Murray had his biggest screw-up at the worst possible time.



Exactly, see my point above.

But unlike other agendas, I'm not making things up. Murray fumbled in the biggest game of his life, in all likelihood turning a touchdown into eventual points for the other team. That happened, it's not agenda.

My apologies I forgot about the dang FG. I was thinking they didn't score at all. Had to jog the memory. I still wouldn't classify Murray as a fumbler though.

 

[Stash]

My apologies I forgot about the dang FG. I was thinking they didn't score at all. Had to jog the memory. I still wouldn't classify Murray as a fumbler though.

I don't either. While he had some issues, I think it's a dismissive description for a very good running back. But the fact is that he had one of his biggest fumbles in the most important game of the season and his career as a pro. And that image sticks with you.

Let me give you a hypothetical because this is what I think happens.

Would you prefer Murray at $7 million per year (which is what I expect the Colts will offer him) or Peterson at $5 million per year (which is what I believe he would be willing to take from the Cowboys)?

I know it's merely a hypothetical based solely on my opinions, but indulge me.

Which of those two scenarios would you personally chose?

 

[Idgit]

My apologies I forgot about the dang FG. I was thinking they didn't score at all. Had to jog the memory. I still wouldn't classify Murray as a fumbler though.

Frequency aside--and last year was an exception for him--what bugs me about Murray's fumbles is that they mostly happen because he's not taking sufficient care of the football. He's holding it with a hand an forearm and not cradling it against his body in traffic. The GB fumble looked to be the same, though it was a great play on Peppers part to get to it, as well.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I don't either. While he had some issues, I think it's a dismissive description for a very good running back. But the fact is that he had one of his biggest fumbles in the most important game of the season and his career as a pro. And that image sticks with you.

Let me give you a hypothetical because this is what I think happens.

Would you prefer Murray at $7 million per year (which is what I expect the Colts will offer him) or Peterson at $5 million per year (which is what I believe he would be willing to take from the Cowboys)?

I know it's merely a hypothetical based solely on my opinions, but indulge me.

Which of those two scenarios would you personally chose?

I'm in the camp (maybe alone) that if we don't sign Murray reasonably then go younger. APs best season was 2012. Three years later at his age I don't have much confidence in him. Plus coming off a stressful year of personal issues has to weigh on the guy. If he comes here I will hope he does awesome. But I don't want him.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

We would be just downright disrespectful to Murray. He's 27 and we rode him like a mule to the playoffs and then we toss him aside to pick up a 30 year old who hasn't played in over a year. AD is an all time great back. But he isn't invincible. What's the guarantee that he's in top form this season? Why can't the Cowboys pony up and pay Murray 6mil/yr (no more than that).

And least we forgets: Murray is not a child abuser!

 

[Longboysfan]

You HAVE to know he was joking...right?

Well... Yes. That was Why I put in the laughing icons.

 

[Stash]

I'm in the camp (maybe alone) that if we don't sign Murray reasonably then go younger. APs best season was 2012. Three years later at his age I don't have much confidence in him. Plus coming off a stressful year of personal issues has to weigh on the guy. If he comes here I will hope he does awesome. But I don't want him.

Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying your position.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Frequency aside--and last year was an exception for him--what bugs me about Murray's fumbles is that they mostly happen because he's not taking sufficient care of the football. He's holding it with a hand an forearm and not cradling it against his body in traffic. The GB fumble looked to be the same, though it was a great play on Peppers part to get to it, as well.

That should be a fixable issue. Look at Tiki. I think he thought he was by every one and Peppers did make a great play.
I just don't see how he can be labeled a fumbler. I get that when he fumbled in GB was the worse possible time but the defense let us down in GB more than any thing other than instant replay.

 

[Idgit]

That should be a fixable issue. Look at Tiki. I think he thought he was by every one and Peppers did make a great play.
I just don't see how he can be labeled a fumbler. I get that when he fumbled in GB was the worse possible time but the defense let us down in GB more than any thing other than instant replay.

His fumbling rate last season was about exactly on par with AD's fate for his entire career, fwtw.

I hate fumbling in a back more than just about any other trait. Give me 300-400 fewer yards last season on the ground and just hold onto the ball better and I'd be very happy.

With the exception of last season, Murray was good that way. And I do think it's something he can improve. I think he does it mostly as he's breaking into the open field and trying to generate speed to accelerate into the defense, though.

The fumbling thing would normally be enough for me to not really want AD (that, and the money), but I just think that guy changes defenses like few other players in the league can, and I'd love to see Romo taking advantage of that for a couple years.

Either way, for me, though, as long as we're not tied to a guy, I think we can always go back to a mid-round pick committee approach and I"ll get most everything I really care about from the RB position. That's why I can see paying a small premium for a guy like AD as long as we can pay as we go but just don't want to see us shoe horned into a longer commitment that a guy like Murray deserves and is going to command.

 

[gimmesix]

Regardless of guaranteed money left, he counts $15.4 M against their cap this year. If they cut him prior to June 1st it will save them $2.4 M. If they cut him after June 1st it will save them $13 M.

I am no cap expert either, by any wild stretch of the imagination. But I've been watching this situation closely because I think it is going to affect the Cowboys. Whether it is by acquiring him, or as a negotiating point to get a better deal with Murray, it affects the Cowboys.

I don't want him at that price and his age. However, I am not against him coming completely. It is very hard for me to ignore how freaking good this guy is, and behind this line, with a year off and a chip on his shoulder, playing for the team he grew up loving and dreaming of playing for...it could be magical. I can't deny that. He is not my first choice, and probably not my second choice either. The Salary Cap era has jaded me towards huge contracts for RBs. I am probably wrong to think that way, but at least I am honest about my bias.

I do not think Dallas would trade for him. I absolutely can see Minnesota cutting him and us trying to get a hometown deal done.

I don't see how the savings would change for the Vikings. If he's on their roster this year, he will cost them $15.4 million ($2.4 million in bonus plus $13 million in base salary). If they cut him at any point this year, they have to take the $2.4 million dead-money cap hit. There is no way they can avoid that (other than not cutting him) because that money is guaranteed.

Whenever they cut him, they will save $13 million on their salary cap for this year because that is what he's scheduled to make. There is no June 1st saving that I can see because there is no future guaranteed money. He's either on their roster and gets paid $15.4 million or off their roster and the Vikings save $13 million in base salary.

Anyway, I agree with you on price. I'm not in favor of paying that for him and his contract would have to be renegotiated if Dallas did trade for him. The only way I want him at age 30 is if he is a cheaper option than Murray. Age and potential wear and tear have to be considerations.

Again, if Minnesota is open to trading him, I would not be opposed to making a very modest offer (for the same considerations). Joseph Randle, some other nonessential backup, a conditional pick ...

The only issue I have with Dallas waiting to see if he's cut in April is that it puts Dallas in a position where it would have to either bid for Peterson's services among teams that still need a running back, pay more for his services because the only choices at that point would be to pay him or draft a running back, or draft a running back.

If Minnesota chooses to go ahead and release him, it opens up other possibilities, but I don't think the Vikings have any reason to hurry.

I'm also not advocating this as the only way to fill the RB position. I'm all for Murray returning at the right price. I'm less sure of some other choices people have mentioned, such as C.J. Spiller and Mark Ingram. Doesn't mean they wouldn't turn out well if we could get them for the right price, or that Peterson is guaranteed to if we get him for the right price.

 

[phildadon86]

Guys AP has been telling folks in Houston (offseason home) for weeks he's coming to Dallas. Trust me, Jerry has made it clear to AP this can only be done with a discount. AP has businesses, ranchs, livestock in the state. He is set post career, his main focus is winning and getting closer to home..

Anything to back this? I would love to read about him saying hes going to be in Dallas. It would shut a lot of my friends up lol

 

[phildadon86]

His fumbling rate last season was about exactly on par with AD's fate for his entire career, fwtw.

I hate fumbling in a back more than just about any other trait. Give me 300-400 fewer yards last season on the ground and just hold onto the ball better and I'd be very happy.

With the exception of last season, Murray was good that way. And I do think it's something he can improve. I think he does it mostly as he's breaking into the open field and trying to generate speed to accelerate into the defense, though.

The fumbling thing would normally be enough for me to not really want AD (that, and the money), but I just think that guy changes defenses like few other players in the league can, and I'd love to see Romo taking advantage of that for a couple years.

Either way, for me, though, as long as we're not tied to a guy, I think we can always go back to a mid-round pick committee approach and I"ll get most everything I really care about from the RB position. That's why I can see paying a small premium for a guy like AD as long as we can pay as we go but just don't want to see us shoe horned into a longer commitment that a guy like Murray deserves and is going to command.

Murray fumbled us out of the playoffs and gave up home field advantage in the Commanders game. No one likes to talk about that though

 

[Frozen700]

How did it kill us? We scored on the very next possession. In great part due to Murray.

The game started to turn after that turnover. If you didn't see that, then you didn't watch the same game, or just trying to stick up for murray.

 

[Frozen700]

Seriously? The Cowboys had the game in hand at that point and if Murray had scored there instead of fumbling, it's effectively over and never gets to the worst call in NFL playoff history.

Exactly!

 

[gimmesix]

That should be a fixable issue. Look at Tiki. I think he thought he was by every one and Peppers did make a great play.
I just don't see how he can be labeled a fumbler. I get that when he fumbled in GB was the worse possible time but the defense let us down in GB more than any thing other than instant replay.

He has got to want to fix it, though, which would mean adjusting his running style some to keep the ball tucked in against his body and making sure to put two hands on it in traffic.

Even against Green Bay, you can't be flailing the ball around and not expect someone to eventually knock it out. Some fans got annoyed by announcers constantly pointing that out, but it was constantly an issue and we're lucky that Murray's grip is as strong as it is or there would have been many more fumbles.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

The game started to turn after that turnover. If you didn't see that, then you didn't watch the same game, or just trying to stick up for murray.

No, as said in another post I forgot about the FG. I was thinking TD. I like Murray no doubt, but if he can't be signed reasonably (same for Dez)
then he needs to go. But I can find more to blame the GB game on than Murray. Again our defense failed us in that game. At the same time no one expected any better from them.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

He has got to want to fix it, though, which would mean adjusting his running style some to keep the ball tucked in against his body and making sure to put two hands on it in traffic.

Even against Green Bay, you can't be flailing the ball around and not expect someone to eventually knock it out. Some fans got annoyed by announcers constantly point that out, but it was constantly an issue and we're lucky that Murray's grip is as strong as it is or there would have been many more fumbles.

But it wasn't the norm for him over his career. Maybe with more carries in the other years he would have fumbled more but there is no way of knowing that. No matter where he plays he will need to address it, that's for sure.