Terence Newman is now officially my favorite Cowboy

[The30YardSlant]

idk but just about every other corner in the league can catch a damn football once in a while.

That wasnt the question. A CBs job is to keep WRs from catching passes. Newman does that better than anyone. He has given up the fewest TDs and catches of any starting CB in the last two years.

In other words, he is the best at what he does. Period.

 

[crazytown41]

Newman needs to shut up too. Other top picks like Ware and Williams have dominated games and made game changing plays, but I don't see them running their mouths and getting into wardrobe fights with other players.

Huh? Newman hasn't said anything all year. He's not running his mouth. He's telling OTHER people to stop running their mouth.

For the 2nd part. That's EXACTLY what's wrong with this defense. No vocal leader. There's not a single leader on this defense. No Strahan or Lewis.

 

[Rampage]

That wasnt the question. A CBs job is to keep WRs from catching passes. Newman does that better than anyone. He has given up the fewest TDs and catches of any starting CB in the last two years.

In other words, he is the best at what he does. Period.

a cb is also payed to make plays. interceptions can change a game dramatically

 

[The30YardSlant]

a cb is also payed to make plays. interceptions can change a game dramatically

I consider knocking down a pass in the endzone a big play, and Newman has done that at least 3 times this year that I can think of off the top of my head.

Again, INTs only result in points sometimes. Keeping the best WR in football (Steve Smith) from even sniffing the endzone two straight years is much more impressive.

 

[Rampage]

I consider knocking down a pass in the endzone a big play, and Newman has done that at least 3 times this year that I can think of off the top of my head.

Again, INTs only result in points sometimes. Keeping the best WR in football (Steve Smith) from even sniffing the endzone two straight years is much more impressive.

yeah but if he picked those balls in the endzone it woulda saved points. and shutting down steve smith for 2 straight years? smith only played half the game last year.

 

[Sarge]

No one, and I mean no one, ever caught a 30 yard slant on Terence "The Newspaper" Newman.

:wink2:

I don't know if you were around or not, but some of the old timers might remember jdnalls meltdown in the old site's chat room when we selected T-New. I believe that may have been the all time explosion on this forum.

I often wonder if he still dislikes the guy so much. He hates me now for some unknown reason so I can't ask him.

I remember that. What ever happened to JD? Man that seems like it was 20 years ago.

 

[The30YardSlant]

yeah but if he picked those balls in the endzone it woulda saved points. and shutting down steve smith for 2 straight years? smith only played half the game last year.

Actually, he played nearly 3 full quarters, but the very fact that you brought it up shows you are grasping at straws.

And much of the time, going for an INT results in giving up the big play, and sometimes it isnt possible to pick it off but you can get a hand on it. Newman doesnt get many picks because he concerns himselkf with COVERING the WR. He doesnt try to trick QBs into throwing at him like Bailey does only to give up the big play.

 

[Charles]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cornerback



Responsible for what? Covering? Where oh where is the part that states INTs being the job od a CB?

A CB's JOB is to keep the other team from completing passes and scoring TDs through the air. That is their job description. When Newman signed on as a CORNERBACK, he was accepting this job and has excelled at it.

It is not a biochemists JOB to discover a cure for cancer, however if they do, it's just a bonus.

Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Football. one of two defensive backs positioned in the secondary between the linebackers and safeties, responsible for covering the outside areas near the sidelines against end runs and pass plays.

Wow, In the same post where you give a description of what a CBs job entails you convienietly ignore the other aspect of the game that Newman is severly lacking in to prove YOUR point.

A CBs job also entails shutting down the run. Newman only gave up 2 TDs in the last 35 games, does that include run plays to his side or in his vicinity. Is the play where Chris Cooley took Newman jock with him to the EndZone included in those 2TDs.

Did you include the numerous times Newman has been sealed by opposing WR to the sideline and runners use his area as a highway. Get real!!!

It doesn't take a biochemist but it takes basic football knowledge to know that while stopping the pass is the CBs primary duty (which Tnew excells at) they are also responsible to for other aspects of the game like run support, blitzing etc.

The perennial elite CB not only limit the passing game TDs, but also excell in other areas like run support, ints, causing fumbles and sacks.

 

[Rampage]

Actually, he played nearly 3 full quarters, but the very fact that you brought it up shows you are grasping at straws.

And much of the time, going for an INT results in giving up the big play, and sometimes it isnt possible to pick it off but you can get a hand on it. Newman doesnt get many picks because he concerns himselkf with COVERING the WR. He doesnt try to trick QBs into throwing at him like Bailey does only to give up the big play.

yeah but bailey is still the #1 cb in the league.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Wow, In the same post where you give a description of what a CBs job entails you convienietly ignore the other aspect of the game that Newman is severly lacking in to prove YOUR point.

A CBs job also entails shutting down the run. Newman only gave up 2 TDs in the last 35 games, does that include run plays to his side or in his vicinity. Is the play where Chris Cooley took Newman jock with him to the EndZone included in those 2TDs.

Did you include the numerous times Newman has been sealed by opposing WR to the sideline and runners use his area as a highway. Get real!!!

Terence Newman is one of the better run support corners in the NFL, those who would tell you otherwise are only looking for a reason to hate on him. He has 4 tackles for loss, 3rd among starting NFL corners. He has 61 tackles, which doesnt seem liek a lot, but when you consider that he makes very few tackles after his WR has caught a pass (which is how corners like Bailey and Barber rack up so many tackles) it looks pretty impressive.

Even if Newman WASNT good in run support, using that to knock his coverage skills, which is what this thread is about, is pitiful. What's even more pathetic is, after your initial arguement about him not being good in coverage because hdoesnt get INTs was destroyed soundly, you have now switched to dogging his run support skills, which arent lacking anyway.

Basically, you have nothing.

 

[The30YardSlant]

yeah but bailey is still the #1 cb in the league.

Overall? Yes. In coverage? No. Newman is the best pure coverage player, statistically, the NFL has seen since Prime Time.

 

[Rampage]

Overall? Yes. In coverage? No. Newman is the best pure coverage player, statistically, the NFL has seen since Prime Time.

see your talking about 1 aspect of the game. myself and charles are talking about all the aspects of playing cornerback. champ is #1, newman is i guess a top 10 corner

 

[The30YardSlant]

see your talking about 1 aspect of the game. myself and charles are talking about all the aspects of playing cornerback. champ is #1, newman is i guess a top 10 corner

That's because you and Charles think INTs are more important than preventing TDs, which is a fallacy.

Deion Sanders SUCKED in run support and had three or less INTs in 8 of his 14 NFL seasons, yet he is widely accepted as the best cornerback of all-time.

 

[Charles]

Terence Newman is one of the better run support corners in the NFL, those who would tell you otherwise are only looking for a reason to hate on him. He has 4 tackles for loss, 3rd among starting NFL corners. He has 61 tackles, which doesnt seem liek a lot, but when you consider that he makes very few tackles after his WR has caught a pass (which is how corners like Bailey and Barber rack up so many tackles) it looks pretty impressive.

3rd among NFL starting CBs in tackles for loss equates to good run support Newman is average at best at taking on runners.

Once again stat pusher how many of those 2TDs in the past 35 games include runs plays to his side?

Even if Newman WASNT good in run support,

He's average at best.

using that to knock his coverage skills, which is what this thread is about, is pitiful.

You started this thread and can't even keep up with it. Thats pathetic especially if you are going to debate someone. A quick look at any of my earlier posts will show that I've praised Newman for covering abilities, but I guess you're so shocked that someone would critise you favorite player (latest) that you'd go about making stuff up and ignoring others to prove a point.

What's even more pathetic is, after your initial arguement about him not being good in coverage because hdoesnt get INTs was destroyed soundly,

I never made that argument.

Infact, I'll take the gloves off. Where exactly did I say he was not good in coverage?

Please Mr. Heavy Weight fighter show me where I made that argument.

I didn't, I praised Newman for his stellar covering abilites, but I have critised him for not being a difference maker. He doesn't produce game changing plays. He doesn't dominate games. For a 5th overall pick that is pathetic.

you have now switched to dogging his run support skills, which arent lacking anyway.

Average at best!!!.

Basically, you have nothing.

If you say so

 

[The30YardSlant]

3rd among NFL starting CBs in tackles for loss equates to good run support Newman is average at best at taking on runners.

Once again stat pusher how many of those 2TDs in the past 35 games include runs plays to his side?

He's average at best.

You started this thread and can't even keep up with it. Thats pathetic especially if you and going to debate someone. A quick look at any of my earlier posts will show that praise and given Newman for covering abilities, but I guess you're so shocked that someone can critise you favorite player (latest) that you'd go about making stuff up and ignoring others to prove a point.


I never made that argument.

Infact, I'll take the gloves off. Where exactly did I say he was not good in coverage?

Please Mr. Heavy Weight fighter show me where I made that argument.

I didn't, I praised Newman for his stellar covering abilites, but I have critised him for not being a difference maker. he doesn't produce game changing plays. he doesn't dominate games. For a 5th overall pick that is pathetic.
you have now switched to dogging his run support skills, which arent lacking anyway.

If you say so

Soooo.....still got nothin', huh?

The facts:

Newman has given up the fewest catches and the fewest TDs of any starting CB over the last two years.

If a runner scores on a corner's side, it's because the linebackers and linemen didnt do their job to begin with. A Runner shouldnt have the opportunity to score on anyone's side in the correct pursuit angles and gap assingments are taken. That is an irrelavent arguement and dos not pertain to this discussion in any way. This thread is about Newman's exceptional coverage skills.

Champ Bailey, your idol and the supposed measuring stick for NFL corners, has given up nearly 5 times as many TDs over the last 2 years as Newman.

This discussion is over, as there is no way to argue around those points without blatantly lying.

 

[Rampage]

Soooo.....still got nothin', huh?

The facts:

Newman has given up the fewest catches and the fewest TDs of any starting CB over the last two years.

If a runner scores on a corner's side, it's because the linebackers and linemen didnt do their job to begin with. A Runner shouldnt have the opportunity to score on anyone's side in the correct pursuit angles and gap assingments are taken. That is an irrelavent arguement and dos not pertain to this discussion in any way. This thread is about Newman's exceptional coverage skills.

Champ Bailey, your idol and the supposed measuring stick for NFL corners, has given up nearly 5 times as many TDs over the last 2 years as Newman.

This discussion is over, as there is no way to argue around those points without blatantly lying.

bailey plays better offenses. listen newman is a top 10 corner. but he is no where near champ bailey.

 

[The30YardSlant]

bailey plays better offenses. listen newman is a top 10 corner. but he is no where near champ bailey.

I'll take a corner who keeps players out of the endzone better than anyone over a corner who gets more INTs than anyone. Bailey can't shut down the best WRs in the NFL one on one week in and week out. Newman can. Bailey is actually not that great in man coverage, it just appears that way from his high INT numbers. Keyshawn Johnson abused him for a TD in man coverage last year with nothing more than a simple stop and go route. newman would have NEVER bitten that badly on a fake so simple by a player so slow.

 

[Rampage]

I'll take a corner who keeps players out of the endzone better than anyone over a corner who gets more INTs than anyone. Bailey can't shut down the best WRs in the NFL one on one week in and week out. Newman can. Bailey is actually not that great in man coverage, it just appears that way from his high INT numbers. Keyshawn Johnson abused him for a TD in man coverage last year with nothing more than a simple stop and go route. newman would have NEVER bitten that badly on a fake so simple by a player so slow.

HOMER!

 

[The30YardSlant]

HOMER!

Maybe, but I'd rather be supporting my own players with facts to back up said support than hating on them with nothing but agenda driven drivel.

 

[The30YardSlant]

And I'm just curious bigbadroy, but what are you, 12? Your ability to interact with other's in a discussion leads me to believe this is the case.