Terence Newman is now officially my favorite Cowboy

[Charles]

Putting so much emphasis on the pick-six is brilliant.

Before Champ Bailey returned two in 2005, he had 1 in 6 years.

That's 96 games. I guess it's good that you don't run the Broncos.

I have emphasized making plays and dominating games. A pick returned for an INT is just one example, but the fact that Champ Bailey a perennial ALL PRO and Pro Bowler is widely considered much better than Terence even though he doesn't have many more INTs for TDs pretty much proves my point that Newman's game is only very good but not great as expected from the 5th overall pick.

 

[superpunk]

I have emphasized making plays and dominating games. A pick returned for an INT is just one example, but the fact that Champ Bailey a perennial ALL PRO and Pro Bowler is widely considered much better than Terence even though he doesn't have many more INTs for TDs pretty much proves my point that Newman's game is only very good but not great as expected from the 5th overall pick.

So, out of all the corners in the league that ESPN could pick for their all-pro team, they chose Champ and Terrence....why? I don't think that would have been my choice THIS year, maybe last year, but it's not a bad selection. PAc-Man may be more deserving than Terrence this year.

And don't kid yourself into thinking Champ was some world-beater his first five years. You live near the District. You have to know how aggravated they were with him constantly getting beat.

 

[theogt]

I'll assume you "percentages" are right...........shocking he doesn't make more plays with that type of coverage when the ball comes his way. Even Mario Edwards fluked his way into INTs returned for TDs while with the Cowboys.: Last I checked he wasn't drafted until the 6th RD.

Newman needs to shut up too. Other top picks like Ware and Williams have dominated games and made game changing plays, but I don't see them running their mouths and getting into wardrobe fights with other players.

Newman couldn't find a crease in a punt return if everyone stood still.

Newman is a blanketing corner. He may not ever get many INTs. For example, take the Henry INT against Philly. He was playin about 3 yards off the receiver and was able to jump the route. When you're blanketing your receiver it gives you less opportunity to jump the route. Typically you're going to be in a position to swat the ball, but not be able to get two hands on it.

Also, when you're blanketing your receiver you have less opportunity to peel off and get an INT from an underthrown ball thrown to a different receiver. If he were just wondering around in space, he'd have more chances at getting those INTs.

The number I put up was hyperbole, but Newman generally takes his receiver out of the play and his overall play has certainly justified his draft pick.

 

[Charles]

So, out of all the corners in the league that ESPN could pick for their all-pro team, they chose Champ and Terrence....why? I don't think that would have been my choice THIS year, maybe last year, but it's not a bad selection. PAc-Man may be more deserving than Terrence this year.

ESPN........nuff said, but I agree that Pac Man would have been more deserving.

And don't kid yourself into thinking Champ was some world-beater his first five years. You live near the District. You have to know how aggravated they were with him constantly getting beat.

Whats up with you today Superpunk? 1st you use ESPN All Pro team selections as a bench ............now the Commanders front office personnel decision. They traded away the best all around CB in the game after a legitimate Pro Bowl year.

Anyone who lives in the area enjoys the game of football would know that Champ wasn't traded because he aggravated the Commanders with this play on the field. He didn't want to play for an organization that held a swap-meet every offseason.

CBs give up plays. Deion got beat, but he also made game changing plays and dominated 1 or 2 games a season....... See Ware, Williams and Jones.

Newman is the highest draft pick we've had in the past decade. He hasn't had one signature game or play (IHO the reason he barely makes the Pro Bowl).

Folks need to stop drinking the Newman Kool-aid. I think most fans and mediots want to prop the guy up because he's a nice guy ala Ellis, but he hasn't lived up to the 5th overall pick.

When was the last time Newman had 21 players in his rear view mirror?

Kevin Smith was just as good as Newman, without the speed that propelled Newman into a top 5 pick.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

ESPN........nuff said, but I agree that Pac Man would have been more deserving.

Whats up with you today Superpunk? 1st you use ESPN All Pro team selections as a bench ............now the Commanders front office personnel decision. They traded away the best all around CB in the game after a legitimate Pro Bowl year.

Anyone who lives in the area enjoys the game of football would know that Champ wasn't traded because he aggravated the Commanders with this play on the field. He didn't want to play for an organization that held a swap-meet every offseason.

CBs give up plays. Deion got beat, but he also made game changing plays and dominated 1 or 2 games a season....... See Ware, Williams and Jones.

Newman is the highest draft pick we've had in the past decade. He hasn't had one signature game or play (IHO the reason he barely makes the Pro Bowl).

Folks need to stop drinking the Newman Kool-aid. I think most fans and mediots want to prop the guy up because he's a nice guy ala Ellis, but he hasn't lived up to the 5th overall pick.

When was the last time Newman had 21 players in his rear view mirror?

Kevin Smith was just as good as Newman, without the speed that propelled Newman into a top 5 pick.

Out of curiosity, do you really think Deangelo Hall is better than Terence Newman, just a simple yes or no question.

 

[superpunk]

ESPN........nuff said, but I agree that Pac Man would have been more deserving.

Whats up with you today Superpunk? 1st you use ESPN All Pro team selections as a bench ............now the Commanders front office personnel decision. They traded away the best all around CB in the game after a legitimate Pro Bowl year.

It's not the decision of the Commanders I am using. It's Champ's performance, which was maligned in DC by the local talkers, because he would get torched pretty regularly. He also wasn't making the plays you crave in his first 5 years. It took him awhile to be able to bait the QB's so effectively. It does all corners. Your expectations are unrealistic, and you turn a blind eye to the things Newman does great while picking a rare occurrence in football and thumping about that.

When was the last time Newman had 21 players in his rear view mirror?

For example.

 

[Ashwynn]

Been my favorite Cowboy for awhile now. The fact hes speaking up and seeming to become a leader is awesome and just enhances my respect for him. I cant wait till el dorado leaves and I can support my cowboys again and get a Newman jersey. First one on the list once the buying ban is lifted.

 

[Charles]

Newman is a blanketing corner. He may not ever get many INTs. For example, take the Henry INT against Philly. He was playin about 3 yards off the receiver and was able to jump the route. When you're blanketing your receiver it gives you less opportunity to jump the route. Typically you're going to be in a position to swat the ball, but not be able to get two hands on it.

Excuses. Deion did it, Ty Law does it, Champ does it. Pac Man Jones has been in the league 2 fewer years and already has half as many career INTs than Newman.

Also, when you're blanketing your receiver you have less opportunity to peel off and get an INT from an underthrown ball thrown to a different receiver. If he were just wondering around in space, he'd have more chances at getting those INTs.

The number I put up was hyperbole, but Newman generally takes his receiver out of the play and his overall play has certainly justified his draft pick.

I come off as a Newman hater, but I really like the abilities he brings to the team. He's good enough in coverage to be an outside CB and move to the nickel CB role when need, but the guy hasn't measured up to his peers in other aspects of the CB position and Newman fans try to shine a bright light on his positive (coverage ability), but fail to recognize it takes more than blanket coverage to be recognized as a great CB ala Champ year in and year out.

He was drafted with the 5th overall pick because of his speed and special teams ability. Neither his speed nor his special teams abilities ahve translated into big plays or game domination.

After almost 4 seasons he hasn't had a signature game or play, but now he wasn't to run his mouth about other guys needing to shut up and start making plays.

Newman needs to shut up too!!!!

 

[tnewman41]

Tnew said what needed to be said

 

[Ashwynn]

Excuses. Deion did it, Ty Law does it, Champ does it. Pac Man Jones has been in the league 2 fewer years and already has half as many career INTs than Newman.

I come off as a Newman hater, but I really like the abilities he brings to the team. He's good enough in coverage to be an outside CB and move to the nickel CB role when need, but the guy hasn't measured up to his peers in other aspects of the CB position and Newman fans try to shine a bright light on his positive (coverage ability), but fail to recognize it takes more than blanket coverage to be recognized as a great CB ala Champ year in and year out.

He was drafted with the 5th overall pick because of his speed and special teams ability. Neither his speed nor his special teams abilities ahve translated into big plays or game domination.

After almost 4 seasons he hasn't had a signature game or play, but now he wasn't to run his mouth about other guys needing to shut up and start making plays.

Newman needs to shut up too!!!!

Certainly you cant be displeased with Newmans play? Hell he or Ware are easily our Defensive MVP if a team playing this lackluster ball with a division title on the line can have an MVP. But for the life of me, I cant see how anyone can have a problem with newman. Unless your not a cowboy fan, then it makes sense. Then I understand your angst and fear of the all-might Newman.

 

[WoodysGirl]

So, out of all the corners in the league that ESPN could pick for their all-pro team, they chose Champ and Terrence....why? I don't think that would have been my choice THIS year, maybe last year, but it's not a bad selection. PAc-Man may be more deserving than Terrence this year.

And don't kid yourself into thinking Champ was some world-beater his first five years. You live near the District. You have to know how aggravated they were with him constantly getting beat.

per PFW

just to kinda add to your point about Bailey.

Mike Shanahan and several teammates have indicated that what’s even more impressive than Champ Bailey’s play on Sundays is his approach to practice and meetings during the week. Bailey admits he is more detail-oriented and more aware in coverage than he was two years ago, when he was dealt to Denver in 2004.

LINK

 

[Charles]

Out of curiosity, do you really think Deangelo Hall is better than Terence Newman, just a simple yes or no question.

Yes he is. He's had a down year, but career wise Newman couldn't hold Hall's jock.

..........I can see the stat geeks clicking away.....

Hall follows the primary receiving target (especially when they are marquee players like Johnson, Smith and Owens) every offensive play and still makes plays while Newman plays his role to perfection and makes minimal plays not always going up against the best.

 

[superpunk]

After almost 4 seasons he hasn't had a signature game or play, but now he wasn't to run his mouth about other guys needing to shut up and start making plays.

And somehow you don't realize that you could be talking about Champ Bailey two years ago - who, through 6 years in the league averaged 3.5 picks per year, and had only ONE TD. None in 5 years. Newman averages 3 picks a year. Clearly, he's far behind where Champ was in his development, and needs to step it up.

 

[theogt]

And somehow you don't realize that you could be talking about Champ Bailey two years ago - who, through 6 years in the league averaged 3.5 picks per year, and had only ONE TD. None in 5 years. Newman averages 3 picks a year. Clearly, he's far behind where Champ was in his development, and needs to step it up.

Then again, Champ gives up many more TDs than Newman every year.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

By Charles' criteria, Philip Buchanon is a better corner than Newman.

After all, I saw him on the highlight reel returning INTs and punts for touchdowns.

Not to get into this, because I have a feeling Charles is just trolling for attention.

 

[superpunk]

Yes he is. He's had a down year, but career wise Newman couldn't hold Hall's jock.

..........I can see the stat geeks clicking away.....

Hall follows the primary receiving target (especially when they are marquee players like Johnson, Smith and Owens) every offensive play and still makes plays while Newman plays his role to perfection and makes minimal plays not always going up against the best.

I don't even think there are words for this stance.

Hall has a total of 1 INT against these marquis receivers the past 2 years- when playing against Owens in Philly. Aside from that, he makes plays against the great tandems of Losman, Culpepper (w.o Moss) Testaverde, Detroit Garcia, Simms, Warner, and Eli. And he does all this, while getting his behind torched on a weekly basis - by these marquis WRs he "matches up" with. If that's "Matching Up" someone call Derek Ross.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

By Charles' criteria, Philip Buchanon is a better corner than Newman.

After all, I saw him on the highlight reel returning INTs and punts for touchdowns.

Not to get into this, because I have a feeling Charles is just trolling for attention.

I disagree with Charles' take on Newman, but he does provide some interesting counter-argument.

What he is doing, is how you should go about the business of debating one side over another.

- Mike G.

 

[theogt]

Yes he is. He's had a down year, but career wise Newman couldn't hold Hall's jock.

..........I can see the stat geeks clicking away.....

Hall follows the primary receiving target (especially when they are marquee players like Johnson, Smith and Owens) every offensive play and still makes plays while Newman plays his role to perfection and makes minimal plays not always going up against the best.

LOLZERS!

 

[superpunk]

By Charles' criteria, Philip Buchanon is a better corner than Newman.

After all, I saw him on the highlight reel returning INTs and punts for touchdowns.

Not to get into this, because I have a feeling Charles is just trolling for attention.

It's all about what's important to you.

Would you rather see your top corner on ESPN picking a ball off and returning it for a TD once every few years?

Or would you rather NOT see said corner on Sportscenter on a weekly basis trailing the WR he "matched up" (I'm doing the quote fingers) with into the end zone?

I know what my choice is - altho I suspect you have a point at the end of your post.

 

[Charles]

It's not the decision of the Commanders I am using. It's Champ's performance, which was maligned in DC by the local talkers, because he would get torched pretty regularly. He also wasn't making the plays you crave in his first 5 years. It took him awhile to be able to bait the QB's so effectively. It does all corners. Your expectations are unrealistic, and you turn a blind eye to the things Newman does great while picking a rare occurrence in football and thumping about that.

So I need to wait until Newman's 6th year before I can expect him to luck into a Mario Edwards type INT (returned for a TD).:laugh2:. Atleast Bailey sniffed the EndZone his rookie season.

CBs get torched all the time. The difference between Newman and Champ is even though the latter might get torched he still has the ability to make game changing plays.

Newman has proven to be a very good cover CB nothing else.

My expectations aren't unrealistic. When we drafted Terence with the 5th overall pick we were getting a stand-out collegiate special teams performer and a very good CB with amazing speed.

Last time I checked, he couldn't luck into a punt return for a TD or get his hands on a poorly thrown pass.

For example.

There is no example..........a shame especially for a CB that supposed to have 4.3 speed.