Terence Newman is now officially my favorite Cowboy

[Charles]

And somehow you don't realize that you could be talking about Champ Bailey two years ago - who, through 6 years in the league averaged 3.5 picks per year, and had only ONE TD. None in 5 years. Newman averages 3 picks a year. Clearly, he's far behind where Champ was in his development, and needs to step it up.

No I couldn't. Champ Bailey made the Pro Bowl his rookie year . He didn't need 5 years to prove he could play at an elite level.

After 4 years in the league Champ had 16 picks (career 37), Newman is yet to break 10 (career 9). Some guys have the nose for the football others just chase and swat.

He also needs to shut up.

 

[Charles]

I disagree with Charles' take on Newman, but he does provide some interesting counter-argument.

What he is doing, is how you should go about the business of debating one side over another.

- Mike G.

Maybe he can't :

 

[superpunk]

No I couldn't. Champ Bailey made the Pro Bowl his rookie year . He didn't need 5 years to prove he could play at an elite level.

After 4 years in the league Champ had 16 picks (career 37), Newman is yet to break 10 (career 9). Some guys have the nose for the football others just chase and swat.

He also needs to shut up.

Actually after nearly 4 years Newman has 12 picks....but whatever. Newman was named a pro-bowl alternate in his first season. He's recognized by many as an elite corner even if fans didn't vote him in a popularity contest, doubtless because they hold dear some of the same misguided criteria you are presenting here.

An INT less per year than Champ Bailey, and similar PD numbers, and two pro-bowl alternates. Oh no. Whatever will we do?

 

[Rampage]

Actually after nearly 4 years Newman has 12 picks....but whatever. Newman was named a pro-bowl alternate in his first season. He's recognized by many as an elite corner even if fans didn't vote him in a popularity contest, doubtless because they hold dear some of the same misguided criteria you are presenting here.

An INT less per year than Champ Bailey, and similar PD numbers, and two pro-bowl alternates. Oh no. Whatever will we do?[/quote]
overrate newman some more

 

[theogt]

Actually after nearly 4 years Newman has 12 picks....but whatever. Newman was named a pro-bowl alternate in his first season. He's recognized by many as an elite corner even if fans didn't vote him in a popularity contest, doubtless because they hold dear some of the same misguided criteria you are presenting here.

An INT less per year than Champ Bailey, and similar PD numbers, and two pro-bowl alternates. Oh no. Whatever will we do?

I'll trade an INT less per year for 3-4 less TDs given up per year.

 

[The30YardSlant]

So I need to wait until Newman's 6th year before I can expect him to luck into a Mario Edwards type INT (returned for a TD).:laugh2:. Atleast Bailey sniffed the EndZone his rookie season.

CBs get torched all the time. The difference between Newman and Champ is even though the latter might get torched he still has the ability to make game changing plays.

Newman has proven to be a very good cover CB nothing else.

My expectations aren't unrealistic. When we drafted Terence with the 5th overall pick we were getting a stand-out collegiate special teams performer and a very good CB with amazing speed.

Last time I checked, he couldn't luck into a punt return for a TD or get his hands on a poorly thrown pass.



There is no example..........a shame especially for a CB that supposed to have 4.3 speed.

Terence Newman has given up 2 TDs in his last 35 NFL starts. Champ Bailey has given up 9 TDs in his last 35 NFL starts.

You hear that? That's the sound of me crushing your entire arguement like a Coke can.

 

[superpunk]

Terence Newman has given up 2 TDs in his last 35 NFL starts. Champ Bailey has given up 9 TDs in his last 35 NFL starts.

You hear that? That's the sound of me crushing your entire arguement like a Coke can.

Sometimes you knock one out of the park. Your declarations of speech victory are just icing on the cake.

 

[Rampage]

Terence Newman has given up 2 TDs in his last 35 NFL starts. Champ Bailey has given up 9 TDs in his last 35 NFL starts.

You hear that? That's the sound of me crushing your entire arguement like a Coke can.

champ bailey makes up for his mistakes though

 

[Charles]

It's all about what's important to you.

I disagree. It is what is important to the game. Making plays.........Newman is severly lacking. He's a very good cover corner, but it is also very important to the organization that our highest draft pick in the past decade be more than a very good CB.

Would you rather see your top corner on ESPN picking a ball off and returning it for a TD once every few years?

Wake me up when Newman does it atleast once.

Or would you rather NOT see said corner on Sportscenter on a weekly basis trailing the WR he "matched up" (I'm doing the quote fingers) with into the end zone?

I'd like to see the season when Hall or Champ trailed their match-ups on a weekly basis. It doesn't happen. That is just a cope out Newman fan's use. "He should make the Pro Bowl because he doesn't get beat.

Jerry Rice abused Deion, Andre Rison took Rod Woodson to school, Michael Irvin whooped Darrel Green like he stole something but that didn't take away from those elite CBs ala Champ and Hall.

Every CB gets beat sooner or later, but the greats find a way to make plays.

I know what my choice is - altho I suspect you have a point at the end of your post.

Of course you think he has a point. I am the same guy who said that Henson would be released before the season started and was accused of trolling.

I like the attention

 

[WoodysGirl]

Do we have a new challenger for the Zone middle heavyweight championship?


HeavyHitta vs Charles?


~going for chips and dip now...~

 

[The30YardSlant]

Sometimes you knock one out of the park. Your declarations of speech victory are just icing on the cake.

It's gonna be interesting to see him wiggle out of this one. Maybe it's just me, but I'll take 7 less TDs given up over 6 more INTs any day of the week and twice on Sundays. The last time I checked, a DBs job is to keep the guys in the other jerseys from getting open, INTs are just extra. Newman does his JOB better than anyone.

 

[The30YardSlant]

champ bailey makes up for his mistakes though

Newman doesnt make mistakes in the first place

 

[The30YardSlant]

Do we have a new challenger for the Zone middle heavyweight championship?


HeavyHitta vs Charles?


~going for chips and dip now...~

I have a firm policy of not beating up on featherweights, however, ignorant featherweights are fair game

 

[Rampage]

Newman doesnt make mistakes in the first place

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: thanks to you people, newman is overrated.

 

[Charles]

Terence Newman has given up 2 TDs in his last 35 NFL starts. Champ Bailey has given up 9 TDs in his last 35 NFL starts.

You hear that? That's the sound of me crushing your entire arguement like a Coke can.

Yes you've crushed my argument....." In a league where giving up TDs is the ONLY measuring stick for CBs" especially those drafted with a top 5 pick

 

[The30YardSlant]

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: thanks to you people, newman is overrated.

Name me one starting corner that has made fewer mistakes in the last 2 years than Newman and I'll shut up. Just one. Just one measley corner. Surely you, in your infinite wisdom and all knowing prowess, can find ONE corner who has given up fewer TDs and catches than Newman in that time span.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Yes you've crushed my argument....." In a league where giving up TDs is the ONLY measuring stick for CBs" especially those drafted with a top 5 pick

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cornerback

cor·ner·back /ˈkɔrnərˌbæk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kawr-ner-bak] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Football. one of two defensive backs positioned in the secondary between the linebackers and safeties, responsible for covering the outside areas near the sidelines against end runs and pass plays.

Responsible for what? Covering? Where oh where is the part that states INTs being the job od a CB?

A CB's JOB is to keep the other team from completing passes and scoring TDs through the air. That is their job description. When Newman signed on as a CORNERBACK, he was accepting this job and has excelled at it.

It is not a biochemists JOB to discover a cure for cancer, however if they do, it's just a bonus.

 

[superpunk]

I disagree. It is what is important to the game. Making plays.........Newman is severly lacking. He's a very good cover corner, but it is also very important to the organization that our highest draft pick in the past decade be more than a very good CB.

He's a great cover CB. He could use some work on his playmaking ability. That's something all corners go through. I like his progress. You want some flash. Nothing wrong with that, but it can't be a knock against Newman, who takes care of his primary responsibility better than almost anyone in the NFL.

Wake me up when Newman does it atleast once.

Did you go into a 5 year coma while Champ didn't deliver, too?

I'd like to see the season when Hall or Champ trailed their match-ups on a weekly basis. It doesn't happen. That is just a cope out Newman fan's use. "He should make the Pro Bowl because he doesn't get beat.

Hall has 4 INTs, and gave up 3 TDs to Hines Ward in a single game. This is not a rare occurrnence, in case you're wondering.

Of course you think he has a point. I am the same guy who said that Henson would be released before the season started and was accused of trolling.

I like the attention

Don't we know it.

 

[Rampage]

Name me one starting corner that has made fewer mistakes in the last 2 years than Newman and I'll shut up. Just one. Just one measley corner. Surely you, in your infinite wisdom and all knowing prowess, can find ONE corner who has given up fewer TDs and catches than Newman in that time span.

idk but just about every other corner in the league can catch a damn football once in a while.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Just for reference Charles, DeAngelo Hall has 4 INTs, however he is second in the NFL in TDs given up. He has given up 7 TDs this year alone to TO, Hines Ward and Tory Holt.