Terrance Williams Disappears

[AdamJT13]

We didn't win those games because of him.

And we obviously didn't lose games because of his "lack" of production.

Without the success of the running game from last year, we will need him to be a consistent producer on offense, if we're going to win a lot of games next year.

First of all, that's pure speculation on all counts. And secondly, if you're trying to project his performance this season, why would you discount what he did in the playoffs?

 

[AdamJT13]

Come on man. He was in on most every passing snap and you've listed his targets. I'm not saying that he is not good at getting open but unless you make 'routes run' the denominator it's not a fair assessment of his performance. The figures you have as the numerator aren't compelling given that.

Why is that not a fair assessment? He's not our No.1 receiver or even our No. 2 target, so his opportunities are predicated on more than just how well he gets open or doesn't get open. And when he has been targeted, he has been very productive. Using his number of targets as measurement of his performance is what is not a fair assessment.

 

[AdamJT13]

Outside of a couple of games, most of his touch down games end with 20-30 yards.

2013

Games with TDs -- 151 yards, 27 yards, 71 yards, 64 yards, 21 yards

2014

Games with TDs -- 50 yards, 32 yards, 77 yards, 71 yards, 18 yards, 52 yards, 92 yards, 38 yards

So, out of 13 career games in which he has scored a touchdown, he has had at least 50 yards in eight of them. Eight out of 13 is hardly "a couple of games."

What does that tell you? We get to red zone and he gets his cheap TD there.

2013

Length of TDs -- 82 yards, 15 yards, 9 yards, 60 yards, 21 yards

2014

Length of TDs -- 2 yards, 12 yards, 6 yards, 23 yards, 43 yards, 18 yards, 9 yards, 43 yards, 76 yards, 8 yards, 38 yards

Out of 16 career touchdowns, eight came outside of the red zone. In the past two years, he is tied for eighth in the NFL in TD catches from OUTSIDE the red zone. The only players ahead of him are Demaryius Thomas (12), Antonio Brown (12), DeSean Jackson (11), Dez Bryant (11), Jordy Nelson (10 ), A.J. Green (9) and T.Y. Hilton (9). He is tied with Josh Gordon and ahead of every other player in the NFL.

His six TD catches of at least 38 yards is tied for third in the NFL, behind only Jordy Nelson (9) and DeSean Jackson (8).

So claiming that all he does is catch cheap TDs in the red zone is completely erroneous and, frankly, utterly hilarious.

 

[JBell]

I don't understand the whole T-Will gets most of his production from backyard football criticism.

That's how Romo plays. It's in his DNA. He's going to extend plays multiple times a game, and T-Will has great chemistry with Romo in that regard. Some of those "extended plays" were backbreakers for defenses, and T-Will was on the receiving end for quite a few of them.

He's also a beast blocking on the outside, which is an underrated skill for a WR in a run dominant offense.

T-Will is the Doug Free of the receiving corps. He's starter material with some warts, but he's definitely not a liability like some will have you believe.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why is that not a fair assessment? He's not our No.1 receiver or even our No. 2 target, so his opportunities are predicated on more than just how well he gets open or doesn't get open. And when he has been targeted, he has been very productive. Using his number of targets as measurement of his performance is what is not a fair assessment.

He was in on virtually every single passing play running routes. He wasn't Witten staying into block the majority of the first half of the season. IOW ~500 routes run. I'm not going to say he never gets open but if he was 'good at getting wide open' that number of target should be significantly better.

I watched in after out after comeback and he could not get separation. He sets his deep routes well but his cuts lack any sort of explosion which allows marginal corners to keep up with him. Combine that with him being very weak at the point of catch and you have a guy that Tony never seems to want to throw to.

 

[Galian Beast]

And we obviously didn't lose games because of his "lack" of production.



First of all, that's pure speculation on all counts. And secondly, if you're trying to project his performance this season, why would you discount what he did in the playoffs?

I'm not discounting his performance in the playoffs, I'm citing a concern in which he has disappeared completely from our offense not only once but twice in his two years here. That isn't the type of reliability that we're going to be looking for if we have to pass more this year.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I'm not discounting his performance in the playoffs, I'm citing a concern in which he has disappeared completely from our offense not only once but twice in his two years here. That isn't the type of reliability that we're going to be looking for if we have to pass more this year.

I think they should just cut him and start over. He is a waste of a roster spot.

 

[Galian Beast]

I think they should just cut him and start over. He is a waste of a roster spot.

I know you were being sarcastic, but this is basically the binary thinking that I'm seeing in this thread and on the forum in general.

Not everything is black or white, like or dislike.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I know you were being sarcastic, but this is basically the binary thinking that I'm seeing in this thread and on the forum in general.

Not everything is black or white, like or dislike.

It was sarcasm, and my binary thinking is in line with the dialectic reasoning present in this thread. You expect more from TW and I do not expect more than what he offers. We just disagree and that's how this discussion ends.

 

[gmoney112]

2013

Games with TDs -- 151 yards, 27 yards, 71 yards, 64 yards, 21 yards

2014

Games with TDs -- 50 yards, 32 yards, 77 yards, 71 yards, 18 yards, 52 yards, 92 yards, 38 yards

So, out of 13 career games in which he has scored a touchdown, he has had at least 50 yards in eight of them. Eight out of 13 is hardly "a couple of games."



2013

Length of TDs -- 82 yards, 15 yards, 9 yards, 60 yards, 21 yards

2014

Length of TDs -- 2 yards, 12 yards, 6 yards, 23 yards, 43 yards, 18 yards, 9 yards, 43 yards, 76 yards, 8 yards, 38 yards

Out of 16 career touchdowns, eight came outside of the red zone. In the past two years, he is tied for eighth in the NFL in TD catches from OUTSIDE the red zone. The only players ahead of him are Demaryius Thomas (12), Antonio Brown (12), DeSean Jackson (11), Dez Bryant (11), Jordy Nelson (10 ), A.J. Green (9) and T.Y. Hilton (9). He is tied with Josh Gordon and ahead of every other player in the NFL.

His six TD catches of at least 38 yards is tied for third in the NFL, behind only Jordy Nelson (9) and DeSean Jackson (8).

So claiming that all he does is catch cheap TDs in the red zone is completely erroneous and, frankly, utterly hilarious.

Good lord. Adam just completely destroyed this debate. Game over. You do not continue.

 

[iceberg]

2013

Games with TDs -- 151 yards, 27 yards, 71 yards, 64 yards, 21 yards

2014

Games with TDs -- 50 yards, 32 yards, 77 yards, 71 yards, 18 yards, 52 yards, 92 yards, 38 yards

So, out of 13 career games in which he has scored a touchdown, he has had at least 50 yards in eight of them. Eight out of 13 is hardly "a couple of games."



2013

Length of TDs -- 82 yards, 15 yards, 9 yards, 60 yards, 21 yards

2014

Length of TDs -- 2 yards, 12 yards, 6 yards, 23 yards, 43 yards, 18 yards, 9 yards, 43 yards, 76 yards, 8 yards, 38 yards

Out of 16 career touchdowns, eight came outside of the red zone. In the past two years, he is tied for eighth in the NFL in TD catches from OUTSIDE the red zone. The only players ahead of him are Demaryius Thomas (12), Antonio Brown (12), DeSean Jackson (11), Dez Bryant (11), Jordy Nelson (10 ), A.J. Green (9) and T.Y. Hilton (9). He is tied with Josh Gordon and ahead of every other player in the NFL.

His six TD catches of at least 38 yards is tied for third in the NFL, behind only Jordy Nelson (9) and DeSean Jackson (8).

So claiming that all he does is catch cheap TDs in the red zone is completely erroneous and, frankly, utterly hilarious.

except that when people have agendas, any fact you present they will twist into a one-off situation where they are "still right".

 

[iceberg]

Good lord. Adam just completely destroyed this debate. Game over. You do not continue.

won't matter. somehow it won't apply, there will be a special circumstance, or a sudden cry of foul because adam isn't playing fair with their hate.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So claiming that all he does is catch cheap TDs in the red zone is completely erroneous and, frankly, utterly hilarious.

 

[erod]

Two seasons in a row Terrance Williams has started the season strong, but fades badly in the second half of the season. I wonder what is going on with this kid. I'm in the camp that wouldn't be opposed to upgrading the WR2 position, but I do like this kid. I wish he would become a more reliably consistent catcher who uses his hands rather than his body.

We're going to need to lean on him more this year, so I hope he is there for us.

Terrance made the huge plays last year, especially in the playoffs. There's only one football.

 

[Dorsett33]

He'll be fine. Still growing.

 

[Galian Beast]

Terrance made the huge plays last year, especially in the playoffs. There's only one football.

Consistency through out a season > huge plays in parts of the season.

You keep saying there is only one football, but this isn't a question of spread, it's a question of systemic inconsistency in the second half of seasons....

 

[erod]

Consistency through out a season > huge plays in parts of the season.

You keep saying there is only one football, but this isn't a question of spread, it's a question of systemic inconsistency in the second half of seasons....

When you're pounding teams in the run game, and you have Dez, Witten, and Beasley, the opportunities will be limited.

Williams and Escobar provide defenses with plenty to cover. A third of Escobar's catches are touchdowns, and they know that. Williams can get deep and he can run, and they know that. It opens up the run game and the passing game for Dez and Witten.

Alvin Harper did the same for Irvin and Novacek. Don't look at numbers at much as impact on the defense.

Williams had the go-ahead touchdown against Detroit, and the biggest play of the game against Green Bay. He caught the JJ Watt pass from Romo. It'll always be that way for a No. 2 receiver with this much talent on offense.

 

[Galian Beast]

When you're pounding teams in the run game, and you have Dez, Witten, and Beasley, the opportunities will be limited.

Williams and Escobar provide defenses with plenty to cover. A third of Escobar's catches are touchdowns, and they know that. Williams can get deep and he can run, and they know that. It opens up the run game and the passing game for Dez and Witten.

Alvin Harper did the same for Irvin and Novacek. Don't look at numbers at much as impact on the defense.

Williams had the go-ahead touchdown against Detroit, and the biggest play of the game against Green Bay. He caught the JJ Watt pass from Romo. It'll always be that way for a No. 2 receiver with this much talent on offense.

Williams' numbers drop both in yards and touchdowns in the second half of the year. Saying there are a lot of options on offense doesn't explain why numerous teams have more productive WR2s, who also have many options on offense.

He was productive in the beginning of the year in his rookie year and was also in his second year. He disappeared in both years, and there was no running game to blame that on his first year.

 

[texbumthelife]

I seem to remember Dez having some serious consistency issues his first couple of seasons. I'm glad we didn't kick him to the curb...

 

[texbumthelife]

Williams' numbers drop both in yards and touchdowns in the second half of the year. Saying there are a lot of options on offense doesn't explain why numerous teams have more productive WR2s, who also have many options on offense.

He was productive in the beginning of the year in his rookie year and was also in his second year. He disappeared in both years, and there was no running game to blame that on his first year.

Name a team with four high level receiving options, where the #2 wide receiver was usually the third or fourth option, and that receiver put up better numbers.

Different teams have different circumstances. They don't operate in a vacuum.