Terrance Williams Disappears

Galian Beast said:
Without the running game of last year, the emphasis is placed more on the passing game. The focus will mostly be on Dez, meaning the team will have to lean more on Williams. What was his touchdown percentage in the second half of the season?

Don't worry, I'll wait.
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Five touchdowns out of 28 targets is 17.9 percent.
 
Frozen700 said:
Yeah, I want Dez to get injured.

Bottom line, Romo would not put those numbers up consistently if there was no Dez.
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So what? Any quarterback would not put up the same numbers consistently if they lost an All-Pro receiver.

Are you complaining because we don't have five Dez Bryants on the team and another on the practice squad? Because that's the only way you'd be just as good if one of them got injured.
 
I wish there was a way to identify what routes guys run. I get the feeling a lot of Williams' routes are downfield and designed to stretch the defense.
 
Things I have to worry about on offense in order of priority:

  1. Running back. 404 not found
  2. Romo's health
  3. Play calling (it's easy to call runs when you have Murray...will we still be as dedicated?)
  4. The OL under Frank Pollack
  5. Witten's age an backup TE
  6. WR number 4
  7. WR number 2
  8. WR number 3
  9. Dez Bryant
 
AdamJT13 said:
So what? Any quarterback would not put up the same numbers consistently if they lost an All-Pro receiver.

Are you complaining because we don't have five Dez Bryants on the team and another on the practice squad? Because that's the only way you'd be just as good if one of them got injured.
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Yeah you obviously aren't reading any of my posts. You just wanted to argue just to argue.

I've been saying all I want is consistency from t-will , like what LR brought to the table as the number 2-3 wr.

That's how you help a WR like Dez, by being consistent. Not just making 1 or 2 plays a game and then relaxing. Beasley wasn't exactly getting touch downs galore, but he would come in and help move the chains, pick up the hard first downs, and when we needed yards in general thought he air and Dez was obviously seeing attention, he would come in and get those passes.

Similar to LR the difference is LR was a little better at it. Which I'm not complaining, because Beasley is 5'8 and the 3rd WR. We need more out of t-will. Not just red zone touchdowns that you didn't contribute to getting down there in the first place, and once in a while big plays for a td.
 
It wasn't two seasons ago that people were complaining about Dez being "inconsistent" and not having 100 yards every game.
 
Galian Beast said:
I see that you're trying to drop his playoff numbers into his second half of the season numbers....
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We played 18 games. Those are his numbers from the second nine games. Are you saying playoff games are not important?
 
Frozen700 said:
Yeah you obviously aren't reading any of my posts. You just wanted to argue just to argue.

I've been saying all I want is consistency from t-will , like what LR brought to the table as the number 2-3 wr.
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What do Romo's numbers "if Dez went down" have to do with that? That hypothetical situation is irrelevant when discussing what Williams has done because he has never played a game without Dez.

And Robinson was a fifth-year veteran in his only season here, and we had 103 more pass plays that season than we did last year.


That's how you help a WR like Dez, by being consistent. Not just making 1 or 2 plays a game and then relaxing.
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Do you have any evidence that Williams did that?


We need more out of t-will.
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So you think Romo should throw less often to Dez and Witten?


Not just red zone touchdowns that you didn't contribute to getting down there in the first place, and once in a while big plays for a td.
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Including the playoffs, only two receivers in the league had more touchdown catches of 35 yards or more last season.

Seriously, our passing game was one of the best in the league, Romo had the highest passer rating in the league, our second-year receiver had a huge YPC and scored eight TDs, and he came up big in the playoffs. And some people think this is a big problem?
 
AdamJT13 said:
We played 18 games. Those are his numbers from the second nine games. Are you saying playoff games are not important?
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I'm saying if we don't go to the playoffs because of his lack of production in the second half of the regular season, then those numbers are pretty moot.

Ignoring the reality that he disappeared not only this season but in his rookie season in the same fashion doesn't change the fact that he disappeared.

I'm glad he had some success in the playoffs, but I absolutely worry about him disappearing for long stretches next year, when we're going to need him to produce pretty consistently.
 
Galian Beast said:
I'm saying if we don't go to the playoffs because of his lack of production in the second half of the regular season, then those numbers are pretty moot.

Ignoring the reality that he disappeared not only this season but in his rookie season in the same fashion doesn't change the fact that he disappeared.

I'm glad he had some success in the playoffs, but I absolutely worry about him disappearing for long stretches next year, when we're going to need him to produce pretty consistently.
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There's one football.
 
AdamJT13 said:
What do Romo's numbers "if Dez went down" have to do with that? That hypothetical situation is irrelevant when discussing what Williams has done because he has never played a game without Dez.

And Robinson was a fifth-year veteran in his only season here, and we had 103 more pass plays that season than we did last year.




Do you have any evidence that Williams did that?




So you think Romo should throw less often to Dez and Witten?




Including the playoffs, only two receivers in the league had more touchdown catches of 35 yards or more last season.

Seriously, our passing game was one of the best in the league, Romo had the highest passer rating in the league, our second-year receiver had a huge YPC and scored eight TDs, and he came up big in the playoffs. And some people think this is a big problem?
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You were the one that started talking about romos numbers when Dez was out. That's why I said what I said about Romo not having Dez. You took it off subject.

I understand you are great with numbers, specifically cap numbers, but if you think Williams is a great number 2, then you have low standards. I don't care about his touch downs, he barely does anything that leads up to those TD's.

When the season starts, if he does good and hes all great, go ahead and tag me, or not, because I'll be here, but I'll be ready to tag all of you when he pulls up lame and has his 10-30 yards a game, makes no impact, and can't make the tough catches. Please respond when I do tag you.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
Well Romo only threw it to him when he was wide open. It's widely accepted that he struggles with contested catches due to body catching. SSS caveats apply too.
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Exactly.....

When the pass is contested he can't hual it in, because he loves to body catch.

Like I said hes only making plays if its a big play where he breaks loose, or we start playing back yard football.
 
Crown Royal said:
It wasn't two seasons ago that people were complaining about Dez being "inconsistent" and not having 100 yards every game.
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Big difference, those that were complaining still knew at the end of the day, Dez could make plays, catch with his hands, and does not need to be open to make plays.
 
Galian Beast said:
Two seasons in a row Terrance Williams has started the season strong, but fades badly in the second half of the season. I wonder what is going on with this kid. I'm in the camp that wouldn't be opposed to upgrading the WR2 position, but I do like this kid. I wish he would become a more reliably consistent catcher who uses his hands rather than his body.

We're going to need to lean on him more this year, so I hope he is there for us.
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I don't think anything is wrong with him I just think he is just an average wr. Hes really no more than a 3 or 4 on most teams. I would like to see someone else in there as well. He doesn't run routes real well to get open. most of his big plays and catches are on end of route plays in which just about any average wide receiver could make.
 
Alexander said:
I guess a lot of you really really forget what kind of production Alvin Harper had.

If Williams is an Alvin Harper and we win, who cares?
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This.

How spoiled have we become when we are fretting about the the inadequacies/inconsistencies of a #2 receiver who was never really expected to be anything more. Not everyone can be a Dez. If I was to worry about anything it would be Dez and his health, or better yet, his mindset as a franchised player.

Oh well to each his own. Frett away if that is how you wish to spend your days here at the Zone.
 
aas long as Dez is Dez and Witten is Witten whoever gets the third most catches is going to have to be very consistent since he will not get that many chances if he muffs them. Right now Beasley seems to be that guy since romo trusts him. After #3 you are going to be talking about a very small number of catches and it really is not going to be that important.
 
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