Test scores for Hill vs. Donald vs. Q Williams

[Whyjerry]

note that hill weighs 310-330lb whereas donald weighs 280lb
for 3t, the explosion scores for hill (jump scores) are pretty close and better than q williams
donald and williams both have better 40 score than hill, and donald cone score is much better also.
though that is top end speed for the 40.
the shuttle score for hill is the same as donald, which is shocking as donald weighs 40lbs less.

hills is an absolute sparq freak and reminiscent of lve
the potential is there so can they extract it?

------------------Player------------Hill------------A Donald ---------Q Williams
ARMS -----------------------------33 3/8”---------- 32 5/8"----------33 1/4"
HANDS ---------------------------10 1/4”-----------9 7/8"-------------9 5/8"
40 Yard Dash --------------------5.04 -------------4.68---------------4.83 SECONDS
Bench Press ---------------------28 --------------- 35------------------------REPS
Vertical Jump --------------------35.0 ------------- 32-----------------30.5 INCHES
Broad Jump ----------------------115.0 ----------116 ---------------112.0 INCHES
3 Cone Drill ------------------------7.7 ------------7.11------------------------ SECONDS
20 Yd Shuttle ---------------------4.38 -----------4.39------------------------ SECONDS

Aaron Donald is a generational player. Top 5 in the game today. Why are we comparing Hill to him?

 

[CWR]

Aaron Donald is a generational player. Top 5 in the game today. Why are we comparing Hill to him?

To illustrate Hill's athleticism?

 

[CowboyRoy]

not really, bolded highlighted the best scores that stood out.
we are talking donald, perhaps the top d played in nfl, and q williams, the #3 cant-miss pick this year.
it is amazing how well hill's scores stack up to those 2, being drafted at the bottom of the 2nd.

Amazing how far people will go to create something. Hill is going to be the next Donald. LOL

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

I'm pretty sure all women will say Cox is better at penetrating than the rest on the list.

LLLOOOLLL, sick.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

UCF isnt anywhere near D2. They played in the Fiesta Bowl in 2018

This, they beat Auburn last year and had schools scared to play them. They were coming to Chapel Hill this season but it got cancelled because of the weather and I am glad because they would have destroyed us at the hill.

 

[Brooksey]

He has the raw tools and a high motor, it's a good combination. The kid should be pretty good.

 

[AbeBeta]

Love the poorly formatted tables!

 

[boysfaninMI]

This was a Moore pick....

He liked the kid enough to say he needed him

We all get it: he's a freak PHYSICALLY. But the game in the NFL is so much more mental in some ways. Maturity has been called into question. Hopefully Coach Lett can help him. Leon really struggled with some issues early in his career. He's been there and done that. Fingers crossed.

 

[GenoT]

This was a Moore pick....

He liked the kid enough to say he needed him

OC Moore needed DT Hill??!?

Is Kellen saying he’ll be needing the defense to to pick up the slack for his offense?

 

[Melonfeud]

Love the poorly formatted tables!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

note that hill weighs 310-330lb whereas donald weighs 280lb
for 3t, the explosion scores for hill (jump scores) are pretty close and better than q williams
donald and williams both have better 40 score than hill, and donald cone score is much better also.
though that is top end speed for the 40.
the shuttle score for hill is the same as donald, which is shocking as donald weighs 40lbs less.

hills is an absolute sparq freak and reminiscent of lve
the potential is there so can they extract it?

------------------Player------------Hill------------A Donald ---------Q Williams
ARMS -----------------------------33 3/8”---------- 32 5/8"----------33 1/4"
HANDS ---------------------------10 1/4”-----------9 7/8"-------------9 5/8"
40 Yard Dash --------------------5.04 -------------4.68---------------4.83 SECONDS
Bench Press ---------------------28 --------------- 35------------------------REPS
Vertical Jump --------------------35.0 ------------- 32-----------------30.5 INCHES
Broad Jump ----------------------115.0 ----------116 ---------------112.0 INCHES
3 Cone Drill ------------------------7.7 ------------7.11------------------------ SECONDS
20 Yd Shuttle ---------------------4.38 -----------4.39------------------------ SECONDS

he has the traits, first step quickness to get into the gaps and collapse the pocket and push the QB out...that's why with Quinn and Lawrence were also key to the offseason. so if Hill is expected to play the 3 technique who is playing 1 technique?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Aaron Donald is a generational player. Top 5 in the game today. Why are we comparing Hill to him?

people like to make themselves feel good...but minimally it shows the guy is athletic....and early on can get away with athleticism....the key is how quickly he will learn the position

 

[Bluefin]

so if Hill is expected to play the 3 technique who is playing 1 technique?

Antwaun Woods and Christian Covington.

 

[cern]

all that matters to me is what he does on the field with the cowboys. would be nice to see both hill and woods starting together.

 

[buybuydandavis]

------------------Player------------Hill------------F Cox-----------A Donald ---------Q Williams
ARMS -----------------------------33 3/8”--------34 1/2"------------ 32 5/8"------------33 1/4"
HANDS ---------------------------10 1/4”--------10 3/8" --------------9 7/8"-------------9 5/8"
40 Yard Dash --------------------5.04 ------------4.79 ---------------4.68---------------4.83 SEC
Bench Press ---------------------28 ---------------30----------------- 35-----------------------REPS
Vertical Jump --------------------35.0 -------------26 ---------------- 32-----------------30.5 IN
Broad Jump ----------------------115.0 -----------103 ----------------116 -------------112.0 IN
3 Cone Drill ------------------------7.7 ------------ 7.07---------------7.11-------------------- SEC
20 Yd Shuttle ---------------------4.38 ----------- 4.53 ---------------4.39------------------- SEC
Weight -----------------------------308 ------------ 300 ----------------285--------------------303

See the added weight row.

23 lbs more than Donald, better on vertical, within an inch of broad jump, same on 20 yard shuttle.

Burst and lateral agility off the charts. This is encouraging.

Doesn't have the straight line speed of the other guys, but I'm not going to sweat that in a DT. Fredbeard's 40 time was a pathetic 5.58, but it doesn't seem to be causing us a lot of problems.

 

[Texas_Pete]

note that hill weighs 310-330lb whereas donald weighs 280lb
for 3t, the explosion scores for hill (jump scores) are pretty close and better than q williams
donald and williams both have better 40 score than hill, and donald cone score is much better also.
though that is top end speed for the 40.
the shuttle score for hill is the same as donald, which is shocking as donald weighs 40lbs less.

hills is an absolute sparq freak and reminiscent of lve
the potential is there so can they extract it?

------------------Player------------Hill------------A Donald ---------Q Williams
ARMS -----------------------------33 3/8”---------- 32 5/8"----------33 1/4"
HANDS ---------------------------10 1/4”-----------9 7/8"-------------9 5/8"
40 Yard Dash --------------------5.04 -------------4.68---------------4.83 SECONDS
Bench Press ---------------------28 --------------- 35------------------------REPS
Vertical Jump --------------------35.0 ------------- 32-----------------30.5 INCHES
Broad Jump ----------------------115.0 ----------116 ---------------112.0 INCHES
3 Cone Drill ------------------------7.7 ------------7.11------------------------ SECONDS
20 Yd Shuttle ---------------------4.38 -----------4.39------------------------ SECONDS

How's Smith's center of gravity? Donald's is insane. Donald is quick and beats OL with power and leverage. Would love to see if Smith has similar game time traits.

 

[buybuydandavis]

FB in goal line situations

35 inch vertical. Can't wait to see him sky into the end zone.

Though my pick for short yardage FB has been Collins for years.

And really, how long should it take for an olineman to learn some 3 yard routes and catch a football? We've turned LBs into FBs in a single training camp. Why can't an olineman become a goal line TE? Probably a lot easier than teaching Rico to block.

 

[buybuydandavis]

hill is a very good athlete, but I think you need to also note the production on the field with Donald and Williams. They may have been reasons why Hill wasn’t on the field but his production wasn’t strong this year. While he may develop into a very good nfl player, there are thousands of guys who had nfl starter traits who never made it in the nfl.

He also wasn't a starter. Gotta scale production by snaps.

 

[kumizi]

So he's nowhere near as strong or as fast as Donald and had nowhere near the production.

cool thread

 

[AsthmaField]

note that hill weighs 310-330lb whereas donald weighs 280lb
for 3t, the explosion scores for hill (jump scores) are pretty close and better than q williams
donald and williams both have better 40 score than hill, and donald cone score is much better also.
though that is top end speed for the 40.
the shuttle score for hill is the same as donald, which is shocking as donald weighs 40lbs less.

hills is an absolute sparq freak and reminiscent of lve
the potential is there so can they extract it?

------------------Player------------Hill------------A Donald ---------Q Williams
ARMS -----------------------------33 3/8”---------- 32 5/8"----------33 1/4"
HANDS ---------------------------10 1/4”-----------9 7/8"-------------9 5/8"
40 Yard Dash --------------------5.04 -------------4.68---------------4.83 SECONDS
Bench Press ---------------------28 --------------- 35------------------------REPS
Vertical Jump --------------------35.0 ------------- 32-----------------30.5 INCHES
Broad Jump ----------------------115.0 ----------116 ---------------112.0 INCHES
3 Cone Drill ------------------------7.7 ------------7.11------------------------ SECONDS
20 Yd Shuttle ---------------------4.38 -----------4.39------------------------ SECONDS

What is even more telling about Hill’s athleticism is that his short shuttle and vertical jump are essentially the same as Pollard’s. He’s a DT that outweighs a scatback by over 100 pounds and still has almost the same numbers on those measures of change of direction and explosion as the RB.

It’s very rare. Couple that with his ‘hair on fire’ style of play and one becomes very excited about the possibilities. Plus, he’s a smart kid. Sky is the limit IMO.

I will say that he’s no Donald though... nobody is. He could be a bigger Geno Atkins though.