News: TF: Cowboys offer to Zeke approaches Gurley deal with a catch

[aikemirv]

Yeah his 11.3 yard per catch as a rookie was so much better, I didn't want to use that to further my point. He can't help how many times Dak throws to him but when he does get a chance, it is up to him to make the most of it.

All stats are in a bubble. Nothing effects them. They are the true measure of any performance - I got it now!

I don't know what to do with the 22 1st downs in 2018 receiving versus the 11 1st downs receiving in 2016.....

 

[Sydla]

If you are in the camp that Elliott should be paid as the highest paid TB in football and that's because he's the most important offensive player and teams game plan for him and make life easier for the entire offense, then you can't also then claim Dak deserves an elite contract too.

That makes no sense.

 

[Pantone282C]

OK...... ok, now I know. It's not often you hear Cicero quoted in the common vernacular. You get two snaps and a twist from me on that one Pantone.

Thank you - is that two fingers of vermouth with a lemon twist?
Cicero would marvel at the current version of Damocles and Dionysius, though our story reads a lot more like Shakespear's King Lear! Three heirs to the kingdom - who is left out after the cap takes giant hits?

 

[quickccc]

The point is not whether you lead the league but are you in decline from your rookie year. His rookie year CLEARLY demonstrates he was a more effective runner and pass receiver than his 2nd and 3rd year. I didn't even have to look at the stats to know this. I can see it on the field. Still a great back though. Let's see if he can get back to a 5 yard per carry average.... EVER.

how many great backs, All pro, Hall of famers are gonna have the same exact rushing stats every year or better than their rookie or best rushing year?
they still have great rushing total years and still the best in the NFL but if it's you don't league the entire NFL in rushing and be in decline.
if Emmitt didn't match or better his best 1700 yd season , he immediately becomes in decline the next year ? Ladaninan Thompson, Adrien Peterson,

 

[Pantone282C]

OK...... ok, now I know. It's not often you hear Cicero quoted in the common vernacular. You get two snaps and a twist from me on that one Pantone.

Whose tragic visage is in your avatar?

 

[Keithfansince5]

how many great backs, All pro, Hall of famers are gonna have the same exact rushing stats every year or better than their rookie or best rushing year?
they still have great rushing total years and still the best in the NFL but if it's you don't league the entire NFL in rushing and be in decline.
if Emmitt didn't match or better his best 1700 yd season , he immediately becomes in decline the next year ? Ladaninan Thompson, Adrien Peterson,

Well yes, if his avg per rush went down. But if he had less carries, a higher yard per carry avg and fewer yards, than I would say he is not in decline. It is alright to realize that he is in decline. Remember all the Zeke is fat coming into season 2 talk? He was not as fast and it showed. He recommitted himself for season 3, got in better shape and it showed also. But he also adapted his style to Bell's and I think it cost him some longer runs. But that is just a guess and an opinion. I still want Zeke on my team in case you are wondering. I hope he and Dallas can make it work while still keeping this team in tact to make several runs at a SB.

 

[JeffAtl]

I don't agree. I mean, I think that you could have said this in the past but this player and this agent have already shown that they are willing to simply walk away if they don't like what the contract stipulates. How can you trust anything, based on what we've seen this year? I think that all a clause like that does is provide a false sense of security for a short period of time but I don't know that it really provides much more then that.

The problem with a clause like that is that the upfront cash that Zeke's agent will demand will make it moot. The Cowboys would have to take legal action to claw it back and that would be ugly.

Zeke has shown that he totally disregards signing bonuses as part of yearly compensation, so any deal with Zeke should only pay out guaranteed money on a pro-rated yearly basis.

 

[CouchCoach]

If you are in the camp that Elliott should be paid as the highest paid TB in football and that's because he's the most important offensive player and teams game plan for him and make life easier for the entire offense, then you can't also then claim Dak deserves an elite contract too.

That makes no sense.

And add to that the belief that Prescott has to have Elliott to be successful. Let's see how that works for Darnold this year.

 

[Tussinman]

Annoying part of this is people like Jerry Jones is literally creating leverage for a player that doesn't have any leverage.

Him running his mouth the last 14 months about paying him and cowboy for life and ranting about the negotiations publicially is artificially giving Zeke leverage.

If the cowboys where like other teams (not discussing details, cold shouldering agent, fining Zeke and requesting a junction in to get 4 million of the signing bonus back) Zeke would literally have zero leverage and be forced to come back, especially since I doubt he can afford paying the quarter of the signing bonus back + additional fines

 

[aikemirv]

If you are in the camp that Elliott should be paid as the highest paid TB in football and that's because he's the most important offensive player and teams game plan for him and make life easier for the entire offense, then you can't also then claim Dak deserves an elite contract too.

That makes no sense.

Your not going to find me in that camp. IMO Elliott is the cog in this offense. He won't make you win if your QB is in-effective (pre Amari) but he will be a big cause for you winning with effective QB play. With Dak, you have to have Zeke, that has been my position all along. If you don't want to pay Zeke, don't, let the chips fall where they may and Dak has to really elevate his game to make up for that loss. If he does not we are choosing early and should get a QB!

 

[Sarge]

Stupid Rams ruined the RB market for everyone.

Knew it he MINUTE the news broke that we were screwed.

 

[Silly]

Let him hold out and start losing money every week. Next offer should be much much lower than what was turned down.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Thank you - is that two fingers of vermouth with a lemon twist?
Cicero would marvel at the current version of Damocles and Dionysius, though our story reads a lot more like Shakespear's King Lear! Three heirs to the kingdom - who is left out after the cap takes giant hits?

I was think an Adonis. Seems like it might be more inline with the parable.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Whose tragic visage is in your avatar?

Not trajic at all Pantone. That's Earl Campbell. It's from the statue that sits at DKR Stadium.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The problem with a clause like that is that the upfront cash that Zeke's agent will demand will make it moot. The Cowboys would have to take legal action to claw it back and that would be ugly.

Zeke has shown that he totally disregards signing bonuses as part of yearly compensation, so any deal with Zeke should only pay out guaranteed money on a pro-rated yearly basis.

I agree. These guys clearly can't be trusted to act in good faith, according to terms of any given contract.

 

[Brooksey]

I'm not afraid of 15 million a year for three years with Zeke guaranteed (unless he's suspended). Can't tell me Dak is worth 30+ million, DLaw is worth 20, Amari is worth 20 and Zeke not worth 15. That doesn't represent the new cap or reality.

 

[blueblood70]

I'm not afraid of 15 million a year for three years with Zeke guaranteed (unless he's suspended). Can't tell me Dak is worth 30+ million, DLaw is worth 20, Amari is worth 20 and Zeke not worth 15. That doesn't represent the new cap or reality.

 

[quickccc]

Well yes, if his avg per rush went down. But if he had less carries, a higher yard per carry avg and fewer yards, than I would say he is not in decline. It is alright to realize that he is in decline. Remember all the Zeke is fat coming into season 2 talk? He was not as fast and it showed. He recommitted himself for season 3, got in better shape and it showed also. But he also adapted his style to Bell's and I think it cost him some longer runs. But that is just a guess and an opinion. I still want Zeke on my team in case you are wondering. I hope he and Dallas can make it work while still keeping this team in tact to make several runs at a SB.

and you don't think taking upon all the toll of rushing load carries, plus a definite more amount of pass catches ( led entire team with 77 catches) and a toll that includes blocking ... and getting absolutely zip to zero breather help relief from our useless, no run instinct backup RB in Rod Smith, that play an obvious huge part in zeke being that much more fatigued, beaten down, wear-toll and sore in 2018... vs what he got after every 3rd series of relief in 2016 ?

Little wonder we finally realized we needed a immediate major upgrade at backup RB in the selection of Pollard in better getting zeke that backup help .

and where are you getting this zeke " adapting his style to Bell " from.. ?
Zeke has never detoured away from his one cut- runner approach vs Bell's hesitate-pause, weaving and dancing in the backfield style- they have always and continue to be two totally different run style backs.
please let's stay or get back to talking reality .. and not sci-fiction. LOL!

 

[tyke1doe]

So the Cowboys are quibbling over $1 to $2 million?

Paid da man $14.5/$15 and be done with it already.

 

[quickccc]

I don't normally continue on with this zeke, zeke tongue and cheek threads, as it's getting utter ridiculous and a dragging annoyance , but I will be sooo very glad when his
re-signing and return is finally here ..and all of this zeke clog can begin to cease on this board.