News: TF: Cowboys offer to Zeke approaches Gurley deal with a catch

[McKDaddy]

IMO the best course of action would be to pull all offers off the table. Let he & his agent stew on the possibility that there is no further discussion this year. No need to let this open ended offer linger. Make them make the next move.

 

[Stash]

Again, you can do this with any position group, WR's, LB,s QB,s. The proven system is not that a RB by committee wins Super Bowls. That is an opinion as well. The Patriots win because of many factors. Brady and coaching are the 2 main ones. Denver won because of defense. Philly did not win because they went away from Lesean McCoy as A RB. That is in no way proven.

Pull up the teams that have won. And we can go through each one until you learn that the workhorse back is by far the exception.

Yes you can win a Super Bowl without a star RB, You can win a Super Bowl without an elite QB, You can win a Super Bowl without an elite WR. Would you say that not having an Elite WR is a proven system for winning the Super Bowl because that is currently the case based on you proven system?

Yes, I would say that you don't have to have an elite receiver either.

 

[cern]

good news is, if we can't sign zeke, we will be able to sign other valuable players for the cowboys. la'el, maybe Byron jones, some d-line guys, etc. not to mention dak and maybe cooper. i'm not so sure we won't be able to win without cooper as well. especially given gallup's improvement. life goes on. silver linings. lemons or lemonade.

 

[McKDaddy]

just add a clause that the guaranteed money is contingent on no off the field issues

he & his agent won't sign that. They want "guarantees" with no loopholes. Therein the unrealistic demands.

 

[Stash]

and so what happened to Murray once he left Dallas? he never came even close to what he did in the Dallas.
and oddly more, nobody else wanted an eventual 29 year older after he retired, once Tennessee decided to cut him, because they see him no more than just a serviceable work horse ?

Which only reinforces my point that the Cowboys line made him as well. Thanks for the help.

and with regards to not matching Murray's single record totals, remember the Cowboys easing down zeke's workload down the stretch in an effort to get him fresher for playoff run ( remember he didn't even play the last final games in 2016 and 2018)

And he still wasn't close to Murray's 1,845 yards. Whether he played or not.

LOL , and what's the point of research, homework when you know some other future all pro back would eventually be determined to set the RB market value, and as I pointed out earlier, it's not just the RB position, The market value has/is going to be set and in demand from several position roles around the NFL, OG, OT, TE, WR , QB, DE ..and so forth.

Simple. If you did your research, you would know that the offensive line have continually made the running backs, so you wouldn't need an elite one, much left have to pay tops in the league. That was the entire reasoning for why they let Murray leave in free agency in the first place, remember? Likely not.

the only times I get puzzled and surprised by a "market setter" is a guy who has done zero in establishing an elite status or honorary measurements to justify being one of the highest paid at his position ala Niners QB Jimmy Grappolo, with just a bit more than a few handful of starting games with the Pats, that included being eventually IR'ed and then he is traded upon agreeing with one of the highest paid guaranteed sums and top contract by an NFL QB.

which BTW, once Dak's contract far exceeds this Grappolo contract and he either sets or comes close to setting the QB market, i expect people here to hiss, growl and moan about that as well, when that time eventually comes around

And maybe they to might have a point.

Again you fail to realize that just because something happens, doesn't mean that it's a good thing. Just like that Garropolo contract you bring up. But I guess that didn't occur to you either?

 

[pugilist]

he & his agent won't sign that. They want "guarantees" with no loopholes. Therein the unrealistic demands.

can't speak for the agent, but in regards to Elliott he would effectively be telling the cowboys "I can't control myself off the field" by not signing that

which is very smh

 

[CouchCoach]

I don't care, at all, for Stephen Smith, but I do have to agree with him on this Elliott issue. If the Cowboys have to have Elliott to beat NYG, WAS and MIA, they've got much larger problems than a back holding out.

It is amusing to watch Booger, just last week, get all serious about himself and announce himself as a man to hold his ground and they've now made two offers since then. Why would Elliott even consider taking anything less than his demand? They are showing no confidence in their QB or team and will meet his demands. The Joneses are the biggest alligator mouths with hummingbird butts to back their own words in the NFL but none of the others talk so they win by default. They don't need to book a clown act at the Big Top.

 

[blueblood70]

Again, you can do this with any position group, WR's, LB,s QB,s. The proven system is not that a RB by committee wins Super Bowls. That is an opinion as well. The Patriots win because of many factors. Brady and coaching are the 2 main ones. Denver won because of defense. Philly did not win because they went away from Lesean McCoy as A RB. That is in no way proven.

Yes you can win a Super Bowl without a star RB, You can win a Super Bowl without an elite QB, You can win a Super Bowl without an elite WR. Would you say that not having an Elite WR is a proven system for winning the Super Bowl because that is currently the case based on you proven system?

Yes! I keep saying that show me one SB in this era with an Overpaid QB WR or RB on O ..NONE the Rams got gifted a SB but wasn't Gurley the highest paid Donald Highest paid and they got there, no win... ATL got there with high priced QB and Wr and highly paid but not market Rbs, no win.. but no winners of modern day SBs had the market setter on any part of their offense from my memory..
Last year not ONE Market QB made it to the playoffs, not one..at least Gurley made it to the SB the argument can be made at all positions, the smart teams have figured out how to build team without any of these at the time they went to and won the SB.. when HOF type QBs can take 23 mil and great RBs come in for chump change and WR take less with NE , they all still are great players but took less.. take great coach and Gm added to it.. thats the key.. you cant just say hey we can do that and it happens..

 

[birdwells1]

honest question cause i don't remember. had gurley threatened to hold out? cause he had 2 years remaining on his contract.

No he didn't.

 

[lostar2009]

Exactly. As it's not simply a matter of money then either. It's once again not having one of your top players during a 16- game season where each and every game is huge. You don't get these seasons back.

This why I'm so grey about giving this guy so much money so early. He just came off an incident where in all honesty he should've been suspend. They have video of you drunk and being stupid. If I'm the Cowboys let Zeke sit, roll with TP and get another quality veteran RB. Stop chasing Zeke !

 

[Stash]

can't speak for the agent, but in regards to Elliott he would effectively be telling the cowboys "I can't control myself off the field" by not signing that

which is very smh

He'd be telling them to assume all risks for his behavior.

No bueno.

 

[pugilist]

i still can't believe we're operating at or near the Gurley deal, that was an absolute aberration

the Bell deal is the more logical benchmark

 

[cern]

what happens when both sides say take it or leave it?

 

[CouchCoach]

i still can't believe we're operating at or near the Gurley deal, that was an absolute aberration

the Bell deal is the more logical benchmark

Let's see how the Jets do this year with that. No team needs a RB getting close to 13M in today's NFL.

 

[glimmerman]

It has to be the guaranteed money. I think the rams screwed up by guarantee money. The yearly average is no biggie. The guaranteed gurly got was crazy. Now we are expected to match that. Or beat it.

 

[Stash]

This why I'm so grey about giving this guy so much money so early. He just came off an incident where in all honesty he should've been suspend. They have video of you drunk and being stupid. If I'm the Cowboys let Zeke sit, roll with TP and get another quality veteran RB. Stop chasing Zeke !

That's where I'm at as well.

Nothing personal, no slight to his obvious abilities as a player.

But it's just not good business to set the running back market after the bad Gurley contract and to be forced to rely on an unreliable person.

Although I absolutely think a deal between Zeke and the Cowboys is ultimately worked out, I just wonder if it's ultimately the right decision long term?

 

[Altestic]

You couldn't get another team to take him at this point. For better or worse, he and the Cowboys are stuck with one another. I just wish the Cowboys realized that more and simply tell him that he can sit and effectively retire.

yeah you could, for a mid rounder, but the first rounder went out the window

 

[Stash]

Let's see how the Jets do this year with that. No team needs a RB getting close to 13M in today's NFL.

Their GM was already fired over it.

 

[Stash]

yeah you could, for a mid rounder, but the first rounder went out the window

I'll believe even that when I see it.

The Joneses ego would never allow them to make a deal for a mid round pick at such a perceived "loss" in value.

I continue to contend that both sides are stuck with one another and that a deal will ultimately be worked out because neither side has any other viable options.

 

[glimmerman]

Their GM was already fired over it.

Immediately.