News: TF: Cowboys offer to Zeke approaches Gurley deal with a catch

[aikemirv]

The Eagles won a SB with a running back crew of Blount, Clement, Ajayi

The Patriots have won multiple SBs with a hodge podge at TB.

Here's another exercise. List for us the 5-7 best TBs in football. How many have won Super Bowls? The evidence seems to go the other way than what you claim. Teams that don't pay a ton of money to TBs seem to be more successful than teams that do.

Well I knew someone would bring up the Patriots but the Patriots win because Brady and the essential fact that their short effective efficient passing game serves as a second running game.

List the best 10 WR's in the league - how many have won a SB?

How many Super Bowls have 2 of the best QB's in the NFL won - Brees and Rodgers - 2 in 28 seasons.

You could do this with every position!

 

[Sydla]

You're butt hurt, they'll sign him and he'll be the highest paid running back in NFL history. Deal with it.

That may happen.

But it will be a dumb move. But that's to be expected at this point from the Jones boys who have overseen two decades of Cowboys futility.

 

[Stash]

You're butt hurt, they'll sign him and he'll be the highest paid running back in NFL history. Deal with it.

Nice try, but you've exposed yourself.

Who truly looks "butt hurt" here?

 

[Sydla]

Well I knew someone would bring up the Patriots but the Patriots win because Brady and the essential fact that their short effective efficient passing game serves as a second running game.

List the best 10 WR's in the league - how many have won a SB?

How many Super Bowls have 2 of the best QB's in the NFL won - Brees and Rodgers - 2 in 28 seasons.

You could do this with every position!

You realize you are still not proving your point, right? You essentially said teams need to pay for elite TBs to win.

What has happened to WRs and QBs doesn't somehow prove your comment right.

 

[Seven]

I firmly believe that if not for the off the field stuff, he would already have his deal.

Agreed.......100%.

 

[Stash]

Well I knew someone would bring up the Patriots but the Patriots win because Brady and the essential fact that their short effective efficient passing game serves as a second running game.

List the best 10 WR's in the league - how many have won a SB?

How many Super Bowls have 2 of the best QB's in the NFL won - Brees and Rodgers - 2 in 28 seasons.

You could do this with every position!

Do it with the running back position, as he asked.

Likely not because it will prove his point to be entirely true.

 

[aikemirv]

You realize you are still not proving your point, right? You essentially said teams need to pay for elite TBs to win.

What has happened to WRs and QBs doesn't somehow prove your comment right.

No, I did not say they need to, my point was that the relative value for the position is really not out of whack. The QB's are the ones that are out of whack. DE's at 22 million, WR's at 20 million.

2nd and 3rd tier RB's are getting 5 million and you need at least 2 of them - Mark Ingram, Giovanni Bernard, Tevin Coleman, Deion Lewis. These guys are situational players, and do nothing to effect the opponents defensive game plan. Why not pay 13 mill for a guy who can do everything and effect an opponents gameplan?

 

[blueblood70]

He absolutely can take it back. First of all, what he said wasn't a formal offer. It was an off the cuff comment to a reporter who asked a question. The fact you put some much credence into it is downright bizarre. Secondly, yes, at the time maybe he thought that Gurley was going to be the starting point with Bell also likely to get a big deal. Bell didn't. He got significantly less than Gurley in guaranteed money and there was a SMALL market for Bell.

That resets the market a bit. Stephen is entirely in the right to suggest that the market has since shifted since he made the Gurley comments half a year ago.

he can take it back but not without backlash, hes being hypocrite,

dont say it if you dont mean it..you said it STSARTS with Gurley money..he said it that doesnt disappear..

Heres what happens

HOLDOUT

Keep your FN Mouth shut we both know its the Jones family curse.. they say way to much compared to other owners and Gms.. dont talk contract sin Public EVER..say no comment

 

[birdwells1]

Nice try, but you've exposed yourself.

Who truly looks "butt hurt" here?

The person that's taking the Zeke negotiations personal.
The person that's posted about 7 times in the last 20 minutes on Zeke. That's whose butt hurt, now get off this message board and go to work.

 

[Stash]

he can take it back but not without backlash, hes being hypocrite,

dont say it if you dont mean it..you said it STSARTS with Gurley money..he said it that doesnt disappear..

Heres what happens

HOLDOUT

Keep your FN Mouth shut we both know its the Jones family curse.. they say way to much compared to other owners and Gms.. dont talk contract sin Public EVER..say no comment

I think that point is a valid one. It was a mistake for Stephen to mention those numbers in the first place. And I think that if he had it to do I've, he would never have said anything.

But that doesn't mean that he's now stuck following the Rams mistake in paying Gurley what they did.

 

[fansince68]

https://1053thefan.radio.com/articl...-offer-ezekiel-elliott-approaches-gurley-deal

Source: Dallas Cowboys Offer To Ezekiel Elliott Approaches Gurley Deal, With A Catch

105.3 THE FAN
AUGUST 27, 2019 - 6:48 AM

By Mike Fisher and Jonathon Shipman

FRISCO (105.3 THE FAN) - Holdout running back Ezekiel Elliott is in receipt of a new contract extension offer from the Dallas Cowboys that a source close to the negotiations tells us would put his new annual salary "close to the Todd Gurley range."

Related: Read more Ezekiel Elliott news from The Fan

The Cowboys as of a month ago were willing to pay Elliott more than the Jets’ Le’Veon Bell ($13 mil APY) but less than the Rams’ Gurley ($14 mil APY).

How significant is the movement from Dallas? That is in the eye of the beholder. Amid breathless reports that Elliott has “turned down the offer(s) ... well, that’s self-evident, as otherwise he’d be in
Frisco with a pen in his hand and a helmet at the ready. Meanwhile, Cowboys COO Stephen Jones is on-record as telling 105.3 The Fan that Dallas has been “very generous” in talks.

What's the "catch"?

 

[Stash]

The person that's taking the Zeke negotiations personal.
The person that's posted about 7 times in the last 20 minutes on Zeke. That's whose butt hurt, now get of the message board and go to work.

Cry some more.

Get more personal.

Show everyone how truly "butt hurt" you are about this whole thing.

Keep embarrassing yourself.

 

[Stash]

What's the "catch"?

The guaranteed money.

 

[JohnBoy]

Elliott's own history should make anyone cautious in guaranteeing him anything. Let's face it, he can't guarantee that he can stay out of trouble and not miss games. So why should anyone guarantee him anything for that potential unknown? In short, they shouldn't. His own actions and choices created this dynamic, and he should be the one that suffers as a result, not anyone else.

This right here...

 

[blueblood70]

The person that's taking the Zeke negotiations personal.
The person that's posted about 7 times in the last 20 minutes on Zeke. That's whose butt hurt, now get off this message board and go to work.

 

[quickccc]

You couldn't get another team to take him at this point. For better or worse, he and the Cowboys are stuck with one another. I just wish the Cowboys realized that more and simply tell him that he can sit and effectively retire.

yes,..you could get a team to take him …as a performer on the field, he’s a future HOFer and one of the very top impact players and game breakers in the entire NFL - but that NFL team could/would likely want a similar “ clause” that protects them from such a huge financial commitment from such social behavior concerns that could land zeke to another lengthy league suspension, one that
could find him losing 8 to 10 games .. (or more ?)

Sure technically we know it was typical Goodell politic BS, when his very own investigators declared that they could find no wrong doings with the assault issue - but one the players union mistakenly agree to give him the powers that be – but such is the case alone.

But counter that up with a close call Vegas incident, and there’s a reason why I could see a team on egg shells with zeke. But still that cannot exclude what he has done on the field and the level of which all other starting RBs could be measured by.

- And messing up the market ? if it wasn’t going to be Gurley, it was going to be Levon Bell, … ..or it was going to be zeke,.. and eventually be Saquon Barkley, ... and so forth.
The market value, at ANY position is going to always change. Always going to go up and be set by another following player.
and I dunno why some people want to stay stuck on thinking players (especially players who have established and proven their elite status) should only get what they think he should get.

 

[Sydla]

he can take it back but not without backlash, hes being hypocrite,

dont say it if you dont mean it..you said it STSARTS with Gurley money..he said it that doesnt disappear..

Heres what happens

HOLDOUT

Keep your FN Mouth shut we both know its the Jones family curse.. they say way to much compared to other owners and Gms.. dont talk contract sin Public EVER..say no comment

A hypocrite?

That makes no sense.

Elliott was holding out regardless of what Jones said back in February.

 

[GMO415]

God I hate defending this dolt, but EzE has been literally out of the country and not talking to anybody while his agent negotiates against an ownership group that likes to put negotiations in the public eye. So that makes him a diva?

Perhaps because he's holding out over $500k a season? If he doesn't play this year, he's out $300k a week!

He's butt hurt because he's not being paid as "the highest."

 

[Sydla]

yes,..you could get a team to take him …as a performer on the field, he’s a future HOFer and one of the very top impact players and game breakers in the entire NFL - but that NFL team could/would likely want a similar “ clause” that protects them from such a huge financial commitment from such social behavior concerns that could land zeke to another lengthy league suspension, one that
could find him losing 8 to 10 games .. (or more ?)

Sure technically we know it was typical Goodell politic BS, when his very own investigators declared that they could find no wrong doings with the assault issue - but one the players union mistakenly agree to give him the powers that be – but such is the case alone.

But counter that up with a close call Vegas incident, and there’s a reason why I could see a team on egg shells with zeke. But still that cannot exclude what he has done on the field and the level of which all other starting RBs could be measured by.

- And messing up the market ? if it wasn’t going to be Gurley, it was going to be Levon Bell, … ..or it was going to be zeke,.. and eventually be Saquon Barkley, ... and so forth.
The market value, at ANY position is going to always change. Always going to go up and be set by another following player.
and I dunno why some people want to stay stuck on thinking players (especially players who have established and proven their elite status) should only get what they think he should get.

Bell wouldn't have messed up the market. His contract was in line with what Johnson got.

Gurley's deal is the clear outlier. The Cowboys shouldn't get stupid and match what the Rams did.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Does this make sense? Stephen advising Zeke and his agent any deal signed AFTER THE SEASON starts will be prorated by 1/16th. Put another way, if Zeke waits until after the regular starts to sign, he's losing close to $1M for every game missed off his new deal. That's a hell of a lot more than $200k under his current deal. Maybe this is why some are confident he'll sign before the season starts.