Thank god we didn't draft Bosa

[slick325]

Question: What's your take on this whole Chargers-Joey Bosa saga? And does this make you glad Dallas wasn't able to draft him?

Laufenberg: Dallas wasn't able to draft him, as he was taken at number 3, but he was not on their radar at #4. Do I pick up the phone and see what San Diego might be willing to trade him for? Absolutely. But San Diego has a history of not doing what is in the best interest of winning football games. Why are they the only team that hasn't signed their number one pick? Enough said.

 

[Nightman]

Yeah, I don't think this is specifically Bosa.
His agency had this in their policy and they don't wish to set precedent.

These agencies only bring so much to the table in these rookie contract. They have to show value somehow

Mommy and Daddy are pretty involved too.......He was drafted as TE by the Dolphins in 1987 and heldout and then busted out of the league in less than3 years...the Mom is sister to Eric Kumerow, another 1st round bust of the Dolphins......she can't keep off the Twitter.....they supposedly shopped like a 1000 agents until they settled on Tom Condon and those guys at CAA

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Question: What's your take on this whole Chargers-Joey Bosa saga? And does this make you glad Dallas wasn't able to draft him?

Laufenberg: Dallas wasn't able to draft him, as he was taken at number 3, but he was not on their radar at #4. Do I pick up the phone and see what San Diego might be willing to trade him for? Absolutely. But San Diego has a history of not doing what is in the best interest of winning football games. Why are they the only team that hasn't signed their number one pick? Enough said.

Well, we can't deal for him until the beginning of the league year, so assuming he sits out an entire year, I'm not sure how interested I'd be.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Not worth the trouble.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Assuming we'd even be interested and assuming we could create the requisite cap room, would league rules allow a trade for Bosa AFTER he signs? Let's say we agree to compensation with the Chargers and they signed him to a deal where he doesn't get a signing bonus per say, but gets a roster bonus that kicks in as soon as he is traded, so it doesn't effect their cap and they don't pay him anything, is that allowed or can he not be traded because it's circumventing the rule about unsigned rookies + we'd never be able to create the room in the rookie cap.

 

[slick325]

Well, we can't deal for him until the beginning of the league year, so assuming he sits out an entire year, I'm not sure how interested I'd be.

I know...Babe talking about a trade for him was silly.

 

[Verdict]

The offset language is probably more valuable to the team than one might think. I heard them discussing it on Sirius NFL radio today saying the offset language isn't that big of a deal because if you get cut in year 4 or whatever and he signs for another tam he isn't likely to sign for that much. That is true in most cases, but eventually there will be a case where there will be a significant issue arising.

One of these days a guy like Bosa will sign for a butt load of money and then intentionally run it in the ditch with his team, forcing the team to cut him (picture Ratliff or Orton) and then sign an incentive laden deal with another team. He will get his full paycheck from the first team, and have time to get paid double and show that the trouble wasnt him, it was due to the prior team.

The Chargers are ripe for picking on that sort of situation. The Chargers may not budge on this matter because they will probably suck anyway, with or without him. Bosa stands to lose millions by not signing this year, that he can never make up.

Once he signs if he has no offset language in his contract, then the Chargers are fools after all of this bad blood has already arisen.

 

[Verdict]

Elliott and Wentz signed deals with both provisions in their contracts. So it's not unprecedented.

Bosa's camp apparently took the position that they would accept either the offset language or the deferred bonus, but not both. It appears now that the Chargers have softened on the deferred bonus money and yet that's not good enough for Bosa.

It might indicate Bosa intends on being a problem child until the Chargers cut him. I would not let him slide on the offset language if I were the Chargers.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

The offset language is probably more valuable to the team than one might think. I heard them discussing it on Sirius NFL radio today saying the offset language isn't that big of a deal because if you get cut in year 4 or whatever and he signs for another tam he isn't likely to sign for that much. That is true in most cases, but eventually there will be a case where there will be a significant issue arising.

One of these days a guy like Bosa will sign for a butt load of money and then intentionally run it in the ditch with his team, forcing the team to cut him (picture Ratliff or Orton) and then sign an incentive laden deal with another team. He will get his full paycheck from the first team, and have time to get paid double and show that the trouble wasnt him, it was due to the prior team.

The Chargers are ripe for picking on that sort of situation. The Chargers may not budge on this matter because they will probably suck anyway, with or without him. Bosa stands to lose millions by not signing this year, that he can never make up.

Once he signs if he has no offset language in his contract, then the Chargers are fools after all of this bad blood has already arisen.

Not really, this scenario ignores that players with less than 4 years are subject to waivers. Let's use Johnny Manziel as an example and pretend he was this ultra talented player (I know, a stretch) who was only acting up to get out of Cleveland. When he was released, he was still subject to waivers, so if some team liked him enough to sign him to tons of money, they would just claim in and not have to sign him to a new deal with any guaranteed money. Now even if he clears waivers and is an unrestricted free agent, which would only happen if he had done tons of damage to his reputation around the league, suitors won't be lining up top pay millions of dollars in guarantees if you were cut. Rookies, even first round picks are too affordable for the situation you described, meaning teams will hold onto you, until they are sure you can not play. Now they may be wrong, but odds are it would take a year on the field with the new team in order to get any real money.

 

[Idgit]

It might indicate Bosa intends on being a problem child until the Chargers cut him. I would not let him slide on the offset language if I were the Chargers.

He's not a problem child for not signing a contract he doesn't like. Especially in the NFL where the period before the deal is signed is the period where the players have influence. I actually respect Bosa more for holding out in this case than I did before. He's going to eventually settle in and be a pretty good player in the league for a long time.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

He's not a problem child for not signing a contract he doesn't like. Especially in the NFL where the period before the deal is signed is the period where the players have influence. I actually respect Bosa more for holding out in this case than I did before. He's going to eventually settle in and be a pretty good player in the league for a long time.

he's also going to settle for a contract he likes even less. I normally side with players using the little of leverage they have and do think San Diego is at fault here as well, but he has a losing hand and keeps putting chips in. at what point does it switch from being standing up for your principles to just being stupid?

 

[Nightman]

Not really, this scenario ignores that players with less than 4 years are subject to waivers. Let's use Johnny Manziel as an example and pretend he was this ultra talented player (I know, a stretch) who was only acting up to get out of Cleveland. When he was released, he was still subject to waivers, so if some team liked him enough to sign him to tons of money, they would just claim in and not have to sign him to a new deal with any guaranteed money. Now even if he clears waivers and is an unrestricted free agent, which would only happen if he had done tons of damage to his reputation around the league, suitors won't be lining up top pay millions of dollars in guarantees if you were cut. Rookies, even first round picks are too affordable for the situation you described, meaning teams will hold onto you, until they are sure you can not play. Now they may be wrong, but odds are it would take a year on the field with the new team in order to get any real money.

The offset language is really about being able to recover some cap space if the player is cut and signs with someone else.......even it is only 1-2m getting the cap space may be more important than the actual cash.....most of the cash has already been paid with SB

Plus without the offset language it provides a tiny bit of incentive to act up and try to get cut.....it is not a big incentive, but enough to make it an issue....the player should never be rewarded for being cut

 

[Nightman]

he's also going to settle for a contract he likes even less. I normally side with players using the little of leverage they have and do think San Diego is at fault here as well, but he has a losing hand and keeps putting chips in. at what point does it switch from being standing up for your principles to just being stupid?

exactly....what does he win if he wins????......a few weeks of interest....he could lose 20m if he goes back to the draft and even falls to 16......that is a huge penalty to get out of SD.....they chose Condon because he has a history of going to war with SD......he repped Eli, Rivers and LT

 

[Idgit]

he's also going to settle for a contract he likes even less. I normally side with players using the little of leverage they have and do think San Diego is at fault here as well, but he has a losing hand and keeps putting chips in. at what point does it switch from being standing up for your principles to just being stupid?

Yep. This is a lose-lose, no doubt.

But at some point, it's about principle.

 

[Verdict]

He's not a problem child for not signing a contract he doesn't like. Especially in the NFL where the period before the deal is signed is the period where the players have influence. I actually respect Bosa more for holding out in this case than I did before. He's going to eventually settle in and be a pretty good player in the league for a long time.

I am not saying the Chargers are wonderful. I am just saying that Bosa is most likely a douchebag bust waiting to happen. The Chargers might have initially misplayed this and pissed Bosa off, but after the cards which have already been played they may regret backing off their position.

This issue is likely to be the tip of the iceberg for Bosa in the NFL. The Chargers should ride this out no matter what happens now. Losing him to the next draft Is bad but might not be the floor for how bad this can get.

 

[Verdict]

Yep. This is a lose-lose, no doubt.

But at some point, it's about principle.

Yes. On both sides. Bosa will most likely lose large sums of money if he doesn't sign with the Chargers. Bosa only gets one career. The Chargers will have other drafts to draft more players. All the pressure is on Bosa unless he doesn't care at all about the money.

 

[Verdict]

Not really, this scenario ignores that players with less than 4 years are subject to waivers. Let's use Johnny Manziel as an example and pretend he was this ultra talented player (I know, a stretch) who was only acting up to get out of Cleveland. When he was released, he was still subject to waivers, so if some team liked him enough to sign him to tons of money, they would just claim in and not have to sign him to a new deal with any guaranteed money. Now even if he clears waivers and is an unrestricted free agent, which would only happen if he had done tons of damage to his reputation around the league, suitors won't be lining up top pay millions of dollars in guarantees if you were cut. Rookies, even first round picks are too affordable for the situation you described, meaning teams will hold onto you, until they are sure you can not play. Now they may be wrong, but odds are it would take a year on the field with the new team in order to get any real money.

That's true but I sort of doubt that someone would pay the salary of the #3 overall pick (fully guaranteed) if they think there is the slightest chance he is a cancer. He would likely clear waivers unless someone tampered with him and knew they wouldn't have the same problem with him that the Chargers did.

 

[casmith07]

Wonder what he's hiding that he wouldn't just sign the contract. His bonus alone would be more money than anyone in his family has ever made in their lives...

...secret injury? Secretly knows he's actually trash?

 

[Nightman]

Wonder what he's hiding that he wouldn't just sign the contract. His bonus alone would be more money than anyone in his family has ever made in their lives...

...secret injury? Secretly knows he's actually trash?

If he had doubts about himself he would have signed weeks ago.......the whole family thinks they are special......they were bragging about their great grandfather was Al Capone's right hand man....his father and uncle both played for the Miami Dolphins in the 80s(both were 1st round busts) so he isn't desperate for money....his younger brother is another big time recruit at OSU.....they picked Tom Condon as an agent because he fights tough with SD...even the mom can stop chirping on Twitter......I really have come to dislike them

 

[casmith07]

If he had doubts about himself he would have signed weeks ago.......the whole family thinks they are special......they were bragging about their great grandfather was Al Capone's right hand man....his father and uncle both played for the Miami Dolphins in the 80s(both were 1st round busts) so he isn't desperate for money....his younger brother is another big time recruit at OSU.....they picked Tom Condon as an agent because he fights tough with SD...even the mom can stop chirping on Twitter......I really have come to dislike them

This is who Toruk_Makto and the Zeke haters wanted lol. Or they wanted Jalen Ramsey, the tweener DB.