Thank god we didn't draft Bosa

[FuzzyLumpkins]

For example:

It was important for the Eagles to get that commitment in advance because both Wentz and Goff are represented by Ryan and Bruce Tollner, who represented Mariota in his back-and-forth with the Titans.

Cash flow is the other major issue in these deals. According to the source, all but $1 million of Wentz’s signing bonus will be paid out in 2016. The remaining $1 million will be paid in January, for tax purposes.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...signs-contract-that-includes-offset-language/

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Can they not get a pick comp if no deal is worked out?

No......from what I understand they get nothing

 

[Sydla]

have a link to that because I have seen reams of evidence to the contrary.

Look in this thread. ESPN article states that both Wentz and Elliott have both provisions in their contracts. They were the first 2nd and 4th picks to accept both provisions since 2012.

 

[the_h0wey]

Jerry just offered the same exact contract to Elliott and he signed it

I think Jerruh would close him. Maybe not on that exact same deal, but he wouldn't be holding out this deep into preseason

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Look in this thread. ESPN article states that both Wentz and Elliott have both provisions in their contracts. They were the first 2nd and 4th picks to accept both provisions since 2012.

i just linked something stating the offset in Wentz's cast was for 1 month for tax purposes ie shifting tax brackets. That is not the same as what is going on here.

I guess I need to look up Goff's contract too.

 

[slick325]

For example:



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...signs-contract-that-includes-offset-language/

I think the Chargers are cash strapped...said it earlier in this thread and the article you post discusses teams being cash strapped. Thanks for posting.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think the Chargers are cash strapped...said it earlier in this thread and the article you post discusses teams being cash strapped. Thanks for posting.

If you mean their owner is cheap then I agree with you but NFL teams should have no issue getting capital in anyway shape or form. They basically print money and share a massive windfall from TV contracts where the preponderance of money comes from. Small markets get revenue sharing too.

If he cannot manage a capped salary then the NFL should find an owner that can.

 

[Sydla]

i just linked something stating the offset in Wentz's cast was for 1 month for tax purposes ie shifting tax brackets. That is not the same as what is going on here.

I guess I need to look up Goff's contract too.

I saw it. Just pointing out another article states differently. ESPN didn't mention Goff so I assume he has only one or none of the provisions.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I saw it. Just pointing out another article states differently. ESPN didn't mention Goff so I assume he has only one or none of the provisions.

Well Wentz technically does have offset language but functionally it is not that. IOW, the ESPN article is misleading.

 

[Sydla]

Well Wentz technically does have offset language but functionally it is not that. IOW, the ESPN article is misleading.

I wouldn't trust PFT as a source though either.

 

[CWR]

the issues they are fighting for are almost meaningless to a star player...... he is getting 14.5m at signing instead of 17m and offset language is really only about getting cap space back if things go wrong.....it really doesn't impact the player, their contract is already 100% guaranteed no matter what

Wow that makes you wonder where his heart is. He is going to be wealthy, no question about it. So why not go in there and work your tail off looking ahead to a career you can be proud of and a SECOND contract. You can always leave at that point if you feel youve been slighted.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I wouldn't trust PFT as a source though either.

Both are making factual statements that are not mutually exclusive. One is specific while the other is not. Disguise through generalization is still deception. The timing of payment is either accurate or not.

 

[Stash]

Here's some addition 'food for thought':

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/25/1...t=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

 

[wileedog]

Look in this thread. ESPN article states that both Wentz and Elliott have both provisions in their contracts. They were the first 2nd and 4th picks to accept both provisions since 2012.

Worth noting, apparently Ramsey at #5 does NOT have the offsetting language in his contract.

 

[skinsscalper]

If I'm the Chargers front office, I do not offer him ANYTHING else. He can take that great deal or sit out a year without any pay. It would cost him a full year's pay AND his draft status would fall next year because it will be a much better draft than this year's draft. Let's face it, this year's draft wasn't great, especially from a DL perspective. Plus, he would be a year older and would've already shown a tendency to be a ******.

Next year's D line draft class looks pretty damned good, too. If that class was being drafted THIS year, Bosa wouldn't have sniffed the top 5. Now, take into account that your representation has made it known that you're a pain in the *** to deal with, sat out a year (playing, literally, NO football), and entering a draft class that you won't even be 2nd or 3rd fiddle in and Bosa is looking at a disaster from an earnings standpoint.

I saw a quote in here from his reps about the "timing" of being paid and wanting that money earlier so that he can invest earlier. Here's a "timing" question: How badly does it hurt his ability to invest $0.00 over the next 15 months, a lost year of working towards UFA, and dropping significantly in next year's draft (that's, literally, millions right off the top)?

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Bosa still almost certainly will sign (I think?).... even dropping 10 picks next year will cost him gigantic cash. He will reluctantly sign the day before the season starts, likely guzzling beer and eating cheeseburgers every day to spite the team...

On second thought, I think if Bosa wants to exact the most revenge on the Chargers he will eat cheeseburgers and drink beer but sign at Week 10 instead of Week 1. Sure he will miss some game checks but at 28K per game those are virtual pennies compared to the 17 million bonus. This way he still maintains his minimum time to free agency but assured the Chargers get basically zero use out of him in 2016, as getting into shape and knocking off the rust/learning the system would certainly take more than 6 weeks.

 

[YosemiteSam]

On second thought, I think if Bosa wants to exact the most revenge on the Chargers he will eat cheeseburgers and drink beer but sign at Week 10 instead of Week 1. Sure he will miss some game checks but at 28K per game those are virtual pennies compared to the 17 million bonus. This way he still maintains his minimum time to free agency but assured the Chargers get basically zero use out of him in 2016, as getting into shape and knocking off the rust/learning the system would certainly take more than 6 weeks.

Based on what I see. Bosa's father and agent are to blame.

Any offer I extend going forward would heavily lean the Chargers way. If he re-enters the draft next season, he will likely get black-balled just like Bo Jackson did. The only difference is Bosa doesn't have a prayer of playing baseball. Jackson had an out, Bosa does not. Bosa is going to lose in this exchange. It's his fathers and agents fault.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Let's see, he was great as a sophomore, only okay as a junior, did not blow people away with work out numbers and is threatening to sit out the entire season and re enter the draft? I'll venture to guess that he will end up having to sign for less if he sees this all the way through.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Based on what I see. Bosa's father and agent are to blame.

Any offer I extend going forward would heavily lean the Chargers way. If he re-enters the draft next season, he will likely get black-balled just like Bo Jackson did. The only difference is Bosa doesn't have a prayer of playing baseball. Jackson had an out, Bosa does not. Bosa is going to lose in this exchange. It's his fathers and agents fault.

If Bosa only loses $250k and the Chargers get a virtual zero from Bosa for the entire season, I'm not sure I would see it as Bosa losing the exchange.

 

[YosemiteSam]

If Bosa only loses $250k and the Chargers get a virtual zero from Bosa for the entire season, I'm not sure I would see it as Bosa losing the exchange.

lol, Bosa has already lost more than $250k. He is going to lose millions.