burmafrd;2249617 said:Jerrah really thought Henson was the guy. BP was the one who was in Romo's corner. If push came to shove- it could have been ugly.
khiladi;2249614 said:BTW, there is nothing in the historical tendency of Bill Parcells to assume that he was 'grooming' Romo for a starting role.
khiladi;2249614 said:BP had his hand forced into playing Romo, because his favorite son Drew Bledsoe was stinking it up so bad, he had no choice to bench the statue.
khiladi;2249614 said:If BP had any idea things would turn out like this, I'm pretty damn sure he would not have quit like he did.
khiladi;2249614 said:Further, Parcells never opened up the offensive playbook, an offense that was the second best in the NFL the next year, only because Brady played lights out.
Rack;2248576 said:I thank Bill Parcells for sitting Romo on the bench and letting him learn from Testaverde and Bledsoe, the way it should be done. If Romo had been thrown in too early, we'd still be looking for a QB.
I would say that there was everyting in Parcell's "historical tendency" to believe that he was grooming Romo to be the starter.
I would say that there was everyting in Parcell's "historical tendency" to believe that he was grooming Romo to be the starter. The fact that he didn't draft a QB negates your theory in that, while he was with NE, he drafted Bledsoe, then with the Jets, he drafted Pennington. Here, he drafted no one. Why? Might it be that he saw something in a QB that was already on the roster?
What's the first thing he does in Miami? Drafts a QB (Chad Henne), who's had a great camp and, by all accounts, was competing for the starting job. But BP then brings in Pennington to "groom" him (Henne). Pennington is no more the long term answer for the Dolphins than Vinny or Bledsoe were for us. That's historical tendency. Also, to add to my point, I don' think that, if Parcell's or Jerry thought Romo was nothing more than a back-up, that they'd turn down first day trade offers from multiple teams for Romo.
So he was forced to play an UFA QB that, by your opinion, wasn't even groomed to be the starter. Makes no sense.
So the guy is completely blind to the fact that, although Romo made the Pro-Bowl his first year starting after replacing Bledsoe, as well as taking the team to playoffs, BP didn't know what he had? The guy was done, burned out and over the hill as a head coach. He knew it and didn't want to go through the rigors of another long season as HC. JMO, but even if Parcell's stayed for last season, I'm guessing he would have left after going 13 and 3, earning a bye with home field advatage, only to lose in the first round. Too much grind for a guy his age and I'm glad he came to that realization.
And was what, 4th best the year before that? Jeez, where's your gripe? Maybe the guy just tried to play to the strengths of his team and keep the playbook simple with a first year starter. Just saying.........
khiladi;2250489 said:1.
Which quarterback in the world is groomed for 4 years? In actuality, it is five years, because BP had every intent of playing Drew Bledose through the 2006 six season. He was taken out in the 6th game of the season, so nobody can tell me Parcells was grooming Romo for 5 years because he thought he wasn't ready to be the starter yet.
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Parcells didn't play any of his back-ups once the Cowboys were eliminated from play-off contention with VT as QB in 2004. He didn't play Henson, let alone Romo. The guy had his own agenda and if it was merely about protecting Romo, he could have thrown in Henson to appease the crowds. That was the day I started disliking BP with a vengeance and knew he had his own agenda.
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The only reason Tony Romo was even inserted into the game against the Giants was because Drew Bledsoe was sucking so bad that all of the fans and the media were wondering when DB would be removed. One also needs to keep in mind the backgroung of fan reaction for the last 4 years. BP was already facing criticism in how he handled the Vinny Testaverde situation and his refusal to play any young QBs. Even the team was grumbling from what I remember, especially considering how well Romo played in practice and in training camp. TO looked like a new man once Romo came in.
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Parcells left the Patriots after 3 years and he stayed for 3 years with the Jets. The Cowboys, he left in 4 years. So you expect me to believe the historical trend supports the fact that Parcells was grooming Romo to be the starter for 4 years, with his trend of leaving teams in 3 to 4 years? During 3 years with the Cowboys, VT and DB were the primary starters, with QC starting Bill's first year and the Cowboys going 10-6. BP left when he was sure to reap the fruits of the greatness of Romo that he knew all along existed?
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Further, of course BP is going to tell the media that finding a starting, young franchise QB is a priority, especially considering that very franchise had been looking for a starting, young franchise QB since Troy Aikman had left. His actions speak louder than his words.
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He didn't draft a QB, because the Cowboys traded their third-round draft pick to the Houston Texans for Henson. So they did essentially draft another QB. It was only in light of QCs problems, was QC released, otherwise Tony Romo most likely would have been cut. Further, he didn't draft Tony Romo and they passed him by. He was picked up as an unrestricted free-agent, even when Dallas had a chance to pick him during the draft, with Payton insisting they do, they passed on him. Payton had to urge Parcells to pick him up even after the fact.
Sean Payton was the QBs coach, so I'm quite sure that Tony Romo being here had more to do with Sean Payton than BP.
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Bledsoe was the consensus first round draft pick, and the Patriots needed a QB. Of course he is going to draft Drew Bledsoe. Further, Drew Bledsoe started right away, and he never 'groomed' him for 4 years. Chad Pennington was drafted, but never played a single down for Parcells as a coach. Parcells retired the very year CP was drafted and CP only saw the playing field as a starter his 3 season, when VT went down.
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Might it be that he thought he could get his job done with VT and DB? How does drafting a QB prove that Parcells was grooming Romo to be the starter? He could have thought Romo was an adequate back-up.
They picked Henne before they had Pennington. Miami had NO QB. They had Joey Harrington and Duante Culpepper and were playing QB shuffle. That was their number 1 priority. Of course they are going to draft a QB. Further, Henne was projected to start.
Pennington was released by the Jets in August and he signed with Miami on AUgust 8th. Lo and Behold, once Parcells draft pick becomes available, i.e. CP, he nabs him. According to Tony Sporana, CP had to 'compete' for the starting job, not 'groom' Henne. What is Pennington doing now?
Hennington also has played football for 6 years, meaning he has plenty of gas left in the tank. He could play another 6 years for all we know. You can't be serious that CP was brought it simply to groom Henne. CP the very offensive style that BP likes, a ball-control offense.
Or it could mean that BP thought Romo was an adequare back-up QB... You know, he was a UFA QB....
They collapsed in December, and Tony Romo, had some crucial turnovers.
Further, We are talking about BEFORE he started Romo primarily. If BP knew what he had, then why the look of desparation on his face? Why continue with Bledsoe? WHy was it public knowledge that his old players were saying that he didn't look right. This was the week following Romo's insertion into the Giants game. The first -half he looked shell-shocked. Why was he all of the sudden esctatic when Romo led the Cowboyus to victory in the second-half of the game?
He 'groomed' him for 4 years to keep the playbook simple. In actuality, it would make it 5 years, because BP had him Drew playing ntil game 6. That is 5 years of grooming. I thought BP recognized his awesome talents and was playing him when he was ready.
BP is all about his agenda.
We got lucky with Tony Romo and that is all there is to it.
.............Bingo. Yes there were rumors. Also ,...Drew Bledsoe was quoted as saying that if he was ever injured and had to miss time he was worried if he would ever get his job back. He too knew romo had "IT"joseephuss;2250525 said:Wasn't it 3 years and 6 games of grooming? Romo was here in 2003, 2004, 2005 and then playing in 2006.
There were some rumors that Bill was leaning toward going with Romo for the 2006 season even though Bledsoe was still listed as the starter going into training camp. He even gave Romo the entire first pre-season game. The only thing that changed Bill's mind or delayed the decision to go with Romo was that Bledsoe ended up playing very well in the pre-season games. That surprised everyone not named Nors.
khiladi;2250489 said:Parcells didn't play any of his back-ups once the Cowboys were eliminated from play-off contention with VT as QB in 2004. He didn't play Henson, let alone Romo. The guy had his own agenda and if it was merely about protecting Romo, he could have thrown in Henson to appease the crowds. That was the day I started disliking BP with a vengeance and knew he had his own agenda.
khiladi;2250489 said:Parcells left the Patriots after 3 years and he stayed for 3 years with the Jets. The Cowboys, he left in 4 years. So you expect me to believe the historical trend supports the fact that Parcells was grooming Romo to be the starter for 4 years, with his trend of leaving teams in 3 to 4 years? During 3 years with the Cowboys, VT and DB were the primary starters, with QC starting Bill's first year and the Cowboys going 10-6. BP left when he was sure to reap the fruits of the greatness of Romo that he knew all along existed?
khiladi;2250489 said:He didn't draft a QB, because the Cowboys traded their third-round draft pick to the Houston Texans for Henson. So they did essentially draft another QB. It was only in light of QCs problems, was QC released, otherwise Tony Romo most likely would have been cut. Further, he didn't draft Tony Romo and they passed him by. He was picked up as an unrestricted free-agent, even when Dallas had a chance to pick him during the draft, with Payton insisting they do, they passed on him. Payton had to urge Parcells to pick him up even after the fact.
Sean Payton was the QBs coach, so I'm quite sure that Tony Romo being here had more to do with Sean Payton than BP.
khiladi;2250489 said:Might it be that he thought he could get his job done with VT and DB? How does drafting a QB prove that Parcells was grooming Romo to be the starter? He could have thought Romo was an adequate back-up.
khiladi;2250489 said:They picked Henne before they had Pennington. Miami had NO QB. They had Joey Harrington and Duante Culpepper and were playing QB shuffle. That was their number 1 priority. Of course they are going to draft a QB. Further, Henne was projected to start.
Pennington was released by the Jets in August and he signed with Miami on AUgust 8th. Lo and Behold, once Parcells draft pick becomes available, i.e. CP, he nabs him. According to Tony Sporana, CP had to 'compete' for the starting job, not 'groom' Henne. What is Pennington doing now?
Hennington also has played football for 6 years, meaning he has plenty of gas left in the tank. He could play another 6 years for all we know. You can't be serious that CP was brought it simply to groom Henne. CP the very offensive style that BP likes, a ball-control offense.
khiladi;2250489 said:We got lucky with Tony Romo and that is all there is to it.
Dodger12;2250124 said:The guy was done, burned out and over the hill as a head coach. He knew it and didn't want to go through the rigors of another long season as HC. JMO, but even if Parcell's stayed for last season, I'm guessing he would have left after going 13 and 3, earning a bye with home field advatage, only to lose in the first round. Too much grind for a guy his age and I'm glad he came to that realization.
khiladi;2250489 said:1. Which quarterback in the world is groomed for 4 years? In actuality, it is five years, because BP had every intent of playing Drew Bledose through the 2006 six season. He was taken out in the 6th game of the season, so nobody can tell me Parcells was grooming Romo for 5 years because he thought he wasn't ready to be the starter yet.
khiladi;2250489 said:1.
Parcells didn't play any of his back-ups once the Cowboys were eliminated from play-off contention with VT as QB in 2004. He didn't play Henson, let alone Romo. The guy had his own agenda and if it was merely about protecting Romo, he could have thrown in Henson to appease the crowds. That was the day I started disliking BP with a vengeance and knew he had his own agenda.
khiladi;2250489 said:Further, of course BP is going to tell the media that finding a starting, young franchise QB is a priority, especially considering that very franchise had been looking for a starting, young franchise QB since Troy Aikman had left. His actions speak louder than his words.
khiladi;2250489 said:Further, he didn't draft Tony Romo and they passed him by. He was picked up as an unrestricted free-agent, even when Dallas had a chance to pick him during the draft, with Payton insisting they do, they passed on him. Payton had to urge Parcells to pick him up even after the fact.
khiladi;2250489 said:Bledsoe was the consensus first round draft pick, and the Patriots needed a QB. Of course he is going to draft Drew Bledsoe.
khiladi;2250489 said:Parcells retired the very year CP was drafted and CP only saw the playing field as a starter his 3 season, when VT went down.
khiladi;2250489 said:Might it be that he thought he could get his job done with VT and DB? How does drafting a QB prove that Parcells was grooming Romo to be the starter? He could have thought Romo was an adequate back-up.
khiladi;2250489 said:Hennington also has played football for 6 years, meaning he has plenty of gas left in the tank. He could play another 6 years for all we know. You can't be serious that CP was brought it simply to groom Henne. CP the very offensive style that BP likes, a ball-control offense.
khiladi;2250489 said:He 'groomed' him for 4 years to keep the playbook simple. In actuality, it would make it 5 years, because BP had him Drew playing ntil game 6. That is 5 years of grooming. I thought BP recognized his awesome talents and was playing him when he was ready.
BP is all about his agenda.
We got lucky with Tony Romo and that is all there is to it.