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I'm sorry but that's a silly comment. The entire reason you run the ball is for those long drives and control the clock. The only thing wrong with that drive is that they didn't finish it off with a TD.

You want to run the ball but you don't like 13 play drives? That makes no sense. You are not going to get many 60 yard runs.

I want to run the ball to help set up the bigger pass plays and to keep the defense honest. 13+ play drives are problematic because after a while there's likely to be something that will mess up the drive like a penalty or a dropped pass (which stalled the drive). You can still control the clock if you run the ball and not have tons of plays in a drive because the clock continues to run when you run the ball unlike when you throw the ball and there's an incomplete pass.

In fact, we had a 17 play drive on our first drive and threw the ball on 11 of those plays.

So no....I don't want Tony doing whatever he wants. I want them to do pretty much what they did with Tony last season. That works fine for me. And one of the things that had been reported is that they wanted him to stop audibling out of run plays last season (which he did). I just want him to now stop audibling so much and letting plays run down to the last second. When the pace on offense picked up, the offense scored with ease. You have to be blind to not see it. Less is more with Romo. The less we have him throw, the better he does. And the less he audibles, the better the offense moves the ball and scores.




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No.

I don't want Romo doing what he wants.

I don't want to be throwing 50 times a game and neglecting the run. That's what Romo wants (what almost every QB wants). Last year we cut down on his throws and he had his best season ever...at the age of 34 with a bad back. We also were getting the plays off quicker last year.

And starting off the game with a 13 play drive may sound nice, but it's actually a malfunction of the offense.

Romo needs to be coached just like every other player on this team. Again, less is more with Romo. The less he audibles, the better we do.





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I was referring specifically to the running the clock down. Which, by the way, worked to a T.
 
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I want to run the ball to help set up the bigger pass plays and to keep the defense honest. 13+ play drives are problematic because after a while there's likely to be something that will mess up the drive like a penalty or a dropped pass (which stalled the drive). You can still control the clock if you run the ball and not have tons of plays in a drive because the clock continues to run when you run the ball unlike when you throw the ball and there's an incomplete pass.

In fact, we had a 17 play drive on our first drive and threw the ball on 11 of those plays.

So no....I don't want Tony doing whatever he wants. I want them to do pretty much what they did with Tony last season. That works fine for me. And one of the things that had been reported is that they wanted him to stop audibling out of run plays last season (which he did). I just want him to now stop audibling so much and letting plays run down to the last second. When the pace on offense picked up, the offense scored with ease. You have to be blind to not see it. Less is more with Romo. The less we have him throw, the better he does. And the less he audibles, the better the offense moves the ball and scores.




YR

When a team is behind the entire game, you tend ti throw the ball more. That's not a Cowboys thing, it's league-wide. Without the stupid turnovers that put the team behind the 8-ball, the offense would have been much more balanced.

And one final thing, less Romo last night would have resulted in a loss. Those last 2 drives was not MORE Romo, it was ALL Romo.
 

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When a team is behind the entire game, you tend ti throw the ball more. That's not a Cowboys thing, it's league-wide. Without the stupid turnovers that put the team behind the 8-ball, the offense would have been much more balanced.

And one final thing, less Romo last night would have resulted in a loss. Those last 2 drives was not MORE Romo, it was ALL Romo.

Right, because when a team is behind, you have two opponents, your team and the clock. Passing stops the clock or gets you down the field faster.
 

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When a team is behind the entire game, you tend ti throw the ball more. That's not a Cowboys thing, it's league-wide. Without the stupid turnovers that put the team behind the 8-ball, the offense would have been much more balanced.

And one final thing, less Romo last night would have resulted in a loss. Those last 2 drives was not MORE Romo, it was ALL Romo.

I guess this all flies over your head.

My point has been that audibling 17 times in the last 2 seconds of the playclock is a problem for the team. We just don't move the ball as well. Last year we started to speed things up on offense and it worked. So when Romo audibled less in last night's game...the team scored 21 points in those drives. When he audibled like crazy, the team score 6 points.

I don't want 13+ play drives (or 17 play drives) because there are too many things that can go wrong in the middle of the drive to derail it....like it did for Dallas. You don't have to stop running the ball to have less plays in a drive (as witness by last night as we had a 17 play drive that only had 6 runs). The run helps keep the defense honest and helps set up the big pass play along with runs the play clock down more to help keep the defense fresh.

We are not a good dink-n-dunk team as witnessed last night. Allowing Romo to 'do whatever he wants' is not the answer. And I don't think it's the answer for any QB in this league.

We need to make some bigger plays in the passing game otherwise it's going to be a long year because we are not good when Romo throws the ball more than 36+ times a game. And we started making bigger plays in the passing game when we sped up the timing of the snaps. Whether it's Romo's fault or not is not the point...it's about scoring points and the offense scored far more points when we weren't taking forever to snap the ball.



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I guess this all flies over your head.

My point has been that audibling 17 times in the last 2 seconds of the playclock is a problem for the team. We just don't move the ball as well. Last year we started to speed things up on offense and it worked. So when Romo audibled less in last night's game...the team scored 21 points in those drives. When he audibled like crazy, the team score 6 points.

I don't want 13+ play drives (or 17 play drives) because there are too many things that can go wrong in the middle of the drive to derail it....like it did for Dallas. You don't have to stop running the ball to have less plays in a drive (as witness by last night as we had a 17 play drive that only had 6 runs). The run helps keep the defense honest and helps set up the big pass play along with runs the play clock down more to help keep the defense fresh.

We are not a good dink-n-dunk team as witnessed last night. Allowing Romo to 'do whatever he wants' is not the answer. And I don't think it's the answer for any QB in this league.

We need to make some bigger plays in the passing game otherwise it's going to be a long year because we are not good when Romo throws the ball more than 36+ times a game. And we started making bigger plays in the passing game when we sped up the timing of the snaps. Whether it's Romo's fault or not is not the point...it's about scoring points and the offense scored far more points when we weren't taking forever to snap the ball.



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Surely you realize what Romo is doing when he audibles (or not). He is reading the defense, looking for free blitzers and adjusting the blocking schemes accordingly. Collinsworth even mentioned that Romo seemed to know what the Giants were up to as if he was in their huddle. Surely, if Romo knows what the Giants are doing and realizes the initial play call won't work, he should audible? No? I guess Romo should just run the play even when he knows it won't work. Yep, that makes sense.

Romo threw the ball almost exclusively in the 4th quarter because that's what the score dictated they had to do. They were actually pretty balanced in the first 3 quarters. Check it out if you don't believe me.

Nobody wants big plays more than I do. Everybody loves 60 yard bombs and 50 yards runs. But you can't rely on plays like that because they are rare, low percentage plays. Most of the time, you have to grind it out, be it running the ball or a short passing game, or both.

Last night, the problem was not the run/pass ratio. It was the turnovers. If not for the turnovers, the Cowboys would have controlled the game and the run/pass ratio would have been much more 50/50. That's a best case scenario, but sometimes it doesn't work out and you have to rely on your QB to throw their way to a victory. And I for one am glad we had Romo throwing the ball last when we were behind by 10 points with 8 minutes left.

You are completely missing the fact that the 3 turnovers forced the unbalanced run/pass ratio. I'm pretty confident the game plan going in was to be close to 50/50. But the turnovers forced them to throw more at the end of the game. Or maybe you think that with 1:37 left and no timeouts, Romo should have run the ball?
 

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Surely you realize what Romo is doing when he audibles (or not). He is reading the defense, looking for free blitzers and adjusting the blocking schemes accordingly. Collinsworth even mentioned that Romo seemed to know what the Giants were up to as if he was in their huddle. Surely, if Romo knows what the Giants are doing and realizes the initial play call won't work, he should audible? No? I guess Romo should just run the play even when he knows it won't work. Yep, that makes sense.

Romo threw the ball almost exclusively in the 4th quarter because that's what the score dictated they had to do. They were actually pretty balanced in the first 3 quarters. Check it out if you don't believe me.

Nobody wants big plays more than I do. Everybody loves 60 yard bombs and 50 yards runs. But you can't rely on plays like that because they are rare, low percentage plays. Most of the time, you have to grind it out, be it running the ball or a short passing game, or both.

Last night, the problem was not the run/pass ratio. It was the turnovers. If not for the turnovers, the Cowboys would have controlled the game and the run/pass ratio would have been much more 50/50. That's a best case scenario, but sometimes it doesn't work out and you have to rely on your QB to throw their way to a victory. And I for one am glad we had Romo throwing the ball last when we were behind by 10 points with 8 minutes left.

You are completely missing the fact that the 3 turnovers forced the unbalanced run/pass ratio. I'm pretty confident the game plan going in was to be close to 50/50. But the turnovers forced them to throw more at the end of the game. Or maybe you think that with 1:37 left and no timeouts, Romo should have run the ball?

He has been trying to convince people for years that Romo is nothing special. He feels like he can't turn back now no matter how ridiculous it sounds.
 
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He has been trying to convince people for years that Romo is nothing special. He feels like he can't turn back now no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

There have been games in the past when the offense didn't run the ball enough and threw it too much. But last night was not one of those times.
 

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The play selection on the last two drives of the game was 12 passes, 0 runs. Romo's line on the last two drives of the game (attempts 34-45):

11 of 12 (91.7%) 148 yards 12.3 ypa 2 td 0 int 157.6
 

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The play selection on the last two drives of the game was 12 passes, 0 runs. Romo's line on the last two drives of the game (attempts 34-45):

11 of 12 (91.7%) 148 yards 12.3 ypa 2 td 0 int 157.6

Those numbers are awesome. When the run was no longer a good option, Romo just took over.
 
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The play selection on the last two drives of the game was 12 passes, 0 runs. Romo's line on the last two drives of the game (attempts 34-45):

11 of 12 (91.7%) 148 yards 12.3 ypa 2 td 0 int 157.6

Pretty much perfect. Thanks Percy.
 

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I guess this all flies over your head.

My point has been that audibling 17 times in the last 2 seconds of the playclock is a problem for the team. We just don't move the ball as well. Last year we started to speed things up on offense and it worked. So when Romo audibled less in last night's game...the team scored 21 points in those drives. When he audibled like crazy, the team score 6 points.

I don't want 13+ play drives (or 17 play drives) because there are too many things that can go wrong in the middle of the drive to derail it....like it did for Dallas. You don't have to stop running the ball to have less plays in a drive (as witness by last night as we had a 17 play drive that only had 6 runs). The run helps keep the defense honest and helps set up the big pass play along with runs the play clock down more to help keep the defense fresh.

We are not a good dink-n-dunk team as witnessed last night. Allowing Romo to 'do whatever he wants' is not the answer. And I don't think it's the answer for any QB in this league.

We need to make some bigger plays in the passing game otherwise it's going to be a long year because we are not good when Romo throws the ball more than 36+ times a game. And we started making bigger plays in the passing game when we sped up the timing of the snaps. Whether it's Romo's fault or not is not the point...it's about scoring points and the offense scored far more points when we weren't taking forever to snap the ball.



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Dez got hurt in the first half. The Giants blitzed a lot. Besides creating a lot of fan angst I think them using the entire clock ended up exposing almost every blitz the Giant's sent. Romo had all day every dropback and that was with us down by 7 or more points the entire way. There was no delay of game or procedure flagfest.

They completed a couple of deep ins to WR but Randle and McFadden were getting huge chunks of yardage on dump offs. Witten and Beasely also found plenty of room but Romo was throwing behind his receivers all evening and Bease just choked the ball up.
 
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