The 2015 Dallas Cowboys and the Myth of DeMarco Murray

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Not trying to make a case for DMC. Or I don't plan to make it seem like that. Just want to see where things are after the SD game, if he comes back. If not, then yes, get some other RB's in here.

I guess I can live with that at this point. Just frustrated that the player isn't contributing anything at our biggest question mark.

And yes, understand the frustration with this RB situation too. I don't want to see a great season potential derailed because they didn't address the RB issue better. did they do enough, no not in the fans view. but I also trust them a bit that they know what they have going into TC. They could not for see any injury issues. Even if Murray was here, with his history, what id he had a hamstring issue. Would people be saying the same things. Though he never had hamstring issues before like DMC has, but he has had other injuries. Ankles sprains and such.

I trust them too. Their recent track record has been great. But I don't trust them completely and I can't help but feel their making a mistake putting their trust in this guy.

And, based on recent events, my scorecard on this says:

Me - 2

Them - 0
 

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The "myth" is that Murray wasn't explosive. Given his size, he was a blue chip athlete. He is far and away a better athlete than Randle.

Murray had a lot of miles on him. That started costing him. You take that many hits, and you will start to slow down. We saw that with him last year. But I guarantee you that if Murray and Randle were to both run a forty today, Murray would still beat him.

Now did Murray have his short comings? Yes. He wasn't very elusive, has questionable vision, runs a little too upright, fumble issues and is still an injury concern. But lets' not pretend that if he was still here that we would even be talking about Randle or anybody else. We wouldn't. There was a reason why Randle was virtually invisible the last two years. Same for Dunbar.

I predict that Randle will come out of the gates fast. He'll look pretty good the first 2 or 3 games. Then he will begin to fade. By mid season we will have shifted from a ball control, running team to a much more pass oriented team. I'm not counting on McFadden or Dunbar to give us much of anything. I still think we make a move for a guy before the season starts. Heck, maybe even Gus the Bus gets more looks.

Now, I'm not saying we need Barry Sanders to be good. We do have a great OL. And we can't pay everybody. So I'm ok with having less at RB. But not worst. We have at the very best, the 32nd best RB in the league as our starter. And there are backups I'd rather have than Randle. That's not good enough for a team looking to win a Super Bowl.

I think your faith isn't the only thing that's blind.
 

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If you think philly is trying to win the TOP battle...You'd be wrong
 

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All I can say about Murray is our FO has been right way more often than wrong over the last few years. If the Jones' believe in Randle then I am with them.
 

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If you think 2014 Demarco Murray was faster than 2014 Joe Randle I don't know what else could account for it. Better, undoubtedly. Faster, not even close.
Murray may have made quicker cuts for the hole but last season he wasn't faster than Randle in any other aspect of running with the ball.
 

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anyone see what Forsett did last year?
RBs come from no where all the time. Our line is our biggest strength. Our run game will be fine.
 

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I've said it 100 times..rb...was the most mismanaged position on the team last year
 

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I'm far more excited about this 2015 team than I was even about our team after it made it to the playoffs last year. I think this team isn't as reliant on any individual for success, which is a good thing, especially at the running back position.

I hear so many people lamenting the loss of DeMarco Murray. I never wanted to sign him back for anything much more than 4 million a year, certainly not anything close to the 8 million per year that the Eagles gave him, which like Laurent Robinson who was aided by Tony Romo, I think the Eagles will find that the DeMarco Murray experiment in Philly is short lived. His production will wane, and as he gets older and slower, his dependability will reduce greatly. I'm sure fumbles will continue to be a problem for him as well.

It's very interesting what the Eagles have done. They really want to be the 2014 Dallas Cowboys, but with a better defense and a worse offense. They think that they can win the time of possession battle with the running backs that they have, but without an offense that can actually score points, that will never come to fruition.

Don't get me wrong, DeMarco Murray is a great player, but he average 4.7 yards per carry last year. That isn't insanely good. It was primarily great for how many carries he had, but he also slowed down in the second half of the year, especially in the last quarter.

In the second half of the season he dropped from 5.1 yards per carry to 4.2 yards per carry. In December he averaged 3.8 yards per carry. Again, this isn't a knock on him, what it is, is a knock on the idea that you can put the weight of the entire running game on one person the entire season, and expect to maintain production through out. To Philly's credit, that is not what they are doing here. And to our credit that is not what we are doing here anymore either.

The idea that you need one person to replace Murray's production and the fact that we do not have that player is looking at the situation wrong. Instead of having one player we have three players who are all more explosive and dynamic than Murray. Each has the ability with the offensive line's run blocking to average more than 5.1 yards per carry in my mind. By relying on 3 guys instead of 1 or even 2, you know have the ability to sustain production for the entire year as opposed to have a huge drop off at the end of the year.

This brings me back to the 2015 team. I think this team is going to be much more dynamic and explosive on offense than the 2014 team. I think you're going to see huge gains out of the running game on a regular basis, and I think you're going to see the passing pick up the slack when it comes to consistently moving the chain when the running game isn't completely successful. I think that is why we re-signed Cole Beasley, and I think that investment has already shown dividends if you've seen him in training camp or in the blue/white scrimmage. I expect to see us pass the ball more, and that isn't a bad thing. We were 7th in the league in yards last year and only 5th in scoring, because we handcuffed the offense.

This brings me to a greater point, which is that this team will be completely different from the 2014 team. We no longer need to win the time of possession in order to beat teams. We can be aggressive and dynamic on offense without the fear of putting the defense on the field for a long time. This is a complete game changer. Being more aggressive on offense and defense will pay dividends, similar to what we saw from the Saints in 2009. Early leads, leading to reckless and aggressive play by opposing QBs which will lead to more turnovers. This is the first time since 2009 that we've had an offense and a defense, and I think we'll have them from the get go, despite suspensions to Hardy and McClain.

The 2014 team was fundamentally flawed, and that is why we didn't make it further. That fundamental flaw is no longer an issue, and our greatest strength last year was not the running game. The running game simply represented our crutches. We are off those crutches now, but people still think we need to rely on them and are freaking out that we don't have them. We can walk now, hell we can run now. That isn't to say we will abandon the run going forward, but we don't need to use it to the extent that we did last year. There are other options that are just as good if not better i.e. more targets to Cole Beasley, which are high percentage in nature. At 8.5 yards per target, expanding Beasley's involvement in the offense is the best way to make up the difference in consistency and production.

2014 Demarco Murray was no 'myth'.

He running is the main reason we controlled the ball while taking the pressure off of Romo and the Defense.

He will not be easily replaced. Romo will have to throw a lot more which usually leads to less efficiency.
 

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2014 Demarco Murray was no 'myth'.

He running is the main reason we controlled the ball while taking the pressure off of Romo and the Defense.

He will not be easily replaced. Romo will have to throw a lot more which usually leads to less efficiency.

I agree it was no myth, Last 2 years Murray numbers stack up to the best RB in the NFL in yards and TD. People keep talking about 1 good year? lol, that is a joke 2013 he had a very good season but his carries were down yet still managed to 1,121 yards and 9 TD and then last season lead all RB in yards and tied with Lynch in TD runs with 13.

Having said that Cowboys did what they felt they had to do given cap consideration and the fact that they were in the middle of dealing with Dez knowing full well that was going to take a big chunk of cap dollars to get his deal done. So I get the business end of the NFL and the Cowboys, they did what they felt was in their best interest and of course the player will do what is in his interest

I hate when people try to down play the importance of any players. While opinions may vary the yards and TD production speak for themselves.

Right now only thing that matters is the Cowboys and the current RB working hard to establish themselves to help this team stay in the competitive mix for a championship. I highly doubt we will put up the same kind of rushing totals but if Dallas can maintain good balance and use the run game to keep themselves in good down and distance situation I think they can overcome the loss of Murray.

All we can do right now is sit back and see how this plays out through out pre season and what Dallas may or may not do in terms of personnel at RB.

I like Randle I tend to be leery of him because of off the field issues and the simple fact he has only avg around 3 carries a game since he has been in Dallas clearly not enough evidence to know what he will or will not do as a starter.
 

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If you think 2014 Demarco Murray was faster than 2014 Joe Randle I don't know what else could account for it. Better, undoubtedly. Faster, not even close.

Randle faster than Murray? Maybe, maybe ... if the two were to race the last day of the season. That's after Murray's 390 carries to Randle's 57. And that's still a big maybe.

If the two were to run next to each other right now, my money is on Murray, no question. The guy ran a 4.41 forty. Randle? 4.63. Murray may be slower than the combine number he put up, but he's still faster than Randle.

And wait until Randle starts toting the ball 20 times a game. He won't be the same guy either. He won't look as fast. Won't be as fast.

Anyone remember Julius Jones? Put on quite a show one Thanksgiving game. He was much faster and bigger than Randle. How did he end up? Felix Jones. He was a first round pick with much more speed and size than Randle. What did he really ever accomplish?

I just don't get the Randle love affair. The guy is the least talented running back we've had here since Troy Hambrick and now he's our savior?

Name one starting running back in the NFL that Randle is better than. Just one guy. Heck, I could even go as far as to name 10 backups that I'd rather have.

But pin your hopes on the guy. If he's all we got, then I hope I'm wrong. I hope McFadden can actually stay healthy and live up to his over rated hype. I hope Dunbar can finally deliver on his yearly training camp praise. I hope we can still run the ball enough and effectively enough that we don't have to see Romo pass the ball 40+ times a game. That is BlindFaith.
 

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Randle faster than Murray? Maybe, maybe ... if the two were to race the last day of the season. That's after Murray's 390 carries to Randle's 57. And that's still a big maybe.

If the two were to run next to each other right now, my money is on Murray, no question. The guy ran a 4.41 forty. Randle? 4.63. Murray may be slower than the combine number he put up, but he's still faster than Randle.

And wait until Randle starts toting the ball 20 times a game. He won't be the same guy either. He won't look as fast. Won't be as fast.

Anyone remember Julius Jones? Put on quite a show one Thanksgiving game. He was much faster and bigger than Randle. How did he end up? Felix Jones. He was a first round pick with much more speed and size than Randle. What did he really ever accomplish?

I just don't get the Randle love affair. The guy is the least talented running back we've had here since Troy Hambrick and now he's our savior?

Name one starting running back in the NFL that Randle is better than. Just one guy. Heck, I could even go as far as to name 10 backups that I'd rather have.

But pin your hopes on the guy. If he's all we got, then I hope I'm wrong. I hope McFadden can actually stay healthy and live up to his over rated hype. I hope Dunbar can finally deliver on his yearly training camp praise. I hope we can still run the ball enough and effectively enough that we don't have to see Romo pass the ball 40+ times a game. That is BlindFaith.

I agree pretty much with you but not willing to downgrade Randle until he has a chance to prove himself. I have doubt about the work load Randle will be able to carry and as I said I don't think anyone can make any claims of what he may or may not do at this stage. the 3 carry a game avg just does not give enough evidence pro or con. I watched Randle at OSU a team who ran a lot and was actually glad to see the Cowboys get him in the 2013 draft. I saw him more as a relief type RB and now he has a chance to show himself as more than that.
 

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Randle faster than Murray? Maybe, maybe ... if the two were to race the last day of the season. That's after Murray's 390 carries to Randle's 57. And that's still a big maybe.

If the two were to run next to each other right now, my money is on Murray, no question. The guy ran a 4.41 forty. Randle? 4.63. Murray may be slower than the combine number he put up, but he's still faster than Randle.

And wait until Randle starts toting the ball 20 times a game. He won't be the same guy either. He won't look as fast. Won't be as fast.

Anyone remember Julius Jones? Put on quite a show one Thanksgiving game. He was much faster and bigger than Randle. How did he end up? Felix Jones. He was a first round pick with much more speed and size than Randle. What did he really ever accomplish?

I just don't get the Randle love affair. The guy is the least talented running back we've had here since Troy Hambrick and now he's our savior?

Name one starting running back in the NFL that Randle is better than. Just one guy. Heck, I could even go as far as to name 10 backups that I'd rather have.

But pin your hopes on the guy. If he's all we got, then I hope I'm wrong. I hope McFadden can actually stay healthy and live up to his over rated hype. I hope Dunbar can finally deliver on his yearly training camp praise. I hope we can still run the ball enough and effectively enough that we don't have to see Romo pass the ball 40+ times a game. That is BlindFaith.

Did you happen to watch any of the games the Cowboys played last season? Because in those games Randle displayed a clear speed advantage over Murray. That's how he led the league in YPC, average yards after contact, and the percentage of runs over ten yards. All the rest is just your poor attempt at conflating your predictions with reality. I tend to doubt that Randle will be the worst back in the league this season.
 

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I agree pretty much with you but not willing to downgrade Randle until he has a chance to prove himself. I have doubt about the work load Randle will be able to carry and as I said I don't think anyone can make any claims of what he may or may not do at this stage. the 3 carry a game avg just does not give enough evidence pro or con. I watched Randle at OSU a team who ran a lot and was actually glad to see the Cowboys get him in the 2013 draft. I saw him more as a relief type RB and now he has a chance to show himself as more than that.

He just scares me. He has no real definable, distinguishing trait.

He's tall with a slight build.
He's not fast or even really very quick.
He has too many stutter steps when approaching the line.
He's a knucklehead.
He's not a very good blocker, but has been improving from what I hear.
He was not perceived to even be good enough to spell Murray except in a couple games and mop up duty.
He's a knucklehead.

He is slippery, but that's about it. If he shows to have a huge heart and can hold up to the man sized beating he's about to get - if he's the guy, then hats off to him. But no one knows if he does or will. I just personally see more "Tapper" than "Diamond".
 

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Did you happen to watch any of the games the Cowboys played last season? Because in those games Randle displayed a clear speed advantage over Murray. That's how he led the league in YPC, average yards after contact, and the percentage of runs over ten yards. All the rest is just your poor attempt at conflating your predictions with reality. I tend to doubt that Randle will be the worst back in the league this season.

It is true that Murray ran a 4.41 40 and Randle ran a 4.63
 

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He just scares me. He has no real definable, distinguishing trait.

He's tall with a slight build.
He's not fast or even really very quick.
He has too many stutter steps when approaching the line.
He's a knucklehead.
He's not a very good blocker, but has been improving from what I hear.
He was not perceived to even be good enough to spell Murray except in a couple games and mop up duty.
He's a knucklehead.

He is slippery, but that's about it. If he shows to have a huge heart and can hold up to the man sized beating he's about to get - if he's the guy, then hats off to him. But no one knows if he does or will. I just personally see more "Tapper" than "Diamond".

again I don't know. I'm concerned at the overall situation of RB but in terms of Randle not enough evidence pro or con when he has so few carries to this point.
 

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It is true that Murray ran a 4.41 40 and Randle ran a 4.63

Yep. In shorts, four years ago. I mean I loved the guy, but speed wasn't in his arsenal. Saying Randle is faster than Murray today shouldn't be some sort of controversial position. It should be clear as a bell to anyone who watched last year.
 

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Did you happen to watch any of the games the Cowboys played last season? Because in those games Randle displayed a clear speed advantage over Murray. That's how he led the league in YPC, average yards after contact, and the percentage of runs over ten yards. All the rest is just your poor attempt at conflating your predictions with reality. I tend to doubt that Randle will be the worst back in the league this season.

Oh, in those 3 carries a game? You mean, like, he looked fresh? Not like someone who had carried the ball 25 times already in that game alone. Any idea the pounding one takes playing running back. Any idea how tired you are towards the end of a game? I played running back through college. Small school stuff so it's not even remotely on the same level as the pounding an NFL running back takes. I rushed for 300 yards one game. I was gassed. You simply don't run as fast as the game goes on.

Put someone in when the other guy is gassed and sure he'll look faster. He'll look faster because everybody else is gassed too.

Let's see Randle start a game, you know, when everybody is fresh. Let's see how fast he looks after he get's pounded on for 20+ carries a game. Let's see how fresh he looks each week when he struggles to walk right all week leading up to a game. Get back to me mid season.
 
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