The 3-4 solution

[CowboyStar88]

If Taco busts why would you want to switch to a 3-4 and build a defense around him? He's not going to be a game changer in the 3-4 if he isn't in the 4-3. JMO of course

 

[mattjames2010]

The 3-4 defense is dead. When are people gonna realize offenses primarily run 3 -4 wr sets??? Forcing defenses to adjust...match up? And if your defensive coordinator is just dumb enough not to match up...your going to get sliced and diced..as you sit in your zone defense...waiting for the offense to make a mistake. This is the loser brand of football we are going to get in 2017.

I would like something more than just your words to prove the "3-4" is dead.

 

[haleyrules]

The 4-3 was a Cowboy invention (ole Tom) and the Cowboys should stay with it.

 

[waldoputty]

no butter
no butter
no butter

 

[waldoputty]

And waste years of drafting quality talent that fits a 4-3 defensive scheme? Why?

because if taco/tapper/etc bombs, then they are not quality talent.
and because 3 DLs are gone anyway so it is much easier to transition painless after the season.

 

[waldoputty]

The 4-3 was a Cowboy invention (ole Tom) and the Cowboys should stay with it.

we can fire Tom so we can fire the 4-3

 

[Alexander]

There is nothing, zero, zilch, nada that suggests the 4-3 is superior to the 3-4.

What the problem is the ability to find pass rushers. That is the one thing that needs to be considered and weighed when deciding how the scheme should run. Not hurt feelings over what happened with Rob Ryan. He was horrific and has been proven horrific. It was not the 3-4, it was him. And if people want to run down the 3-4 because it did not pay off in spades with Parcells or Phillips, I give you the Dave Campo era and even the fruitless signing of Marcellus Wiley, looking for that great pass rusher.

Plain and simple, the better pass rushers and the more plentiful are undersized OLB types.

If you want this 4-3 juggernaut Bruce Smith type or even a Mario Williams type for that matter means you are drafting in the top ten to get one. And as we saw with Williams, well, that did not do much to turn the flow for the Texans.

Undersized pass rushers almost always carry the label and are picked apart, because everyone is looking for the 6-5, 270 lb. college player who can step into the pros and dominate.

You better be really bad to get a shot at one that fits the preferred role.

Otherwise you will end up drafting the Greg Ellis and Ebenezer Ekubans over the period of two to three years and end up with nothing.

Quality pass rushers do not fit the prototype that we took in Charlton. It is just that simple.

The colleges simply are not growing them big like they used to.

The other alternative is to have a hybrid system like many teams use. The schemes are variant and a good mind can manufacture pressure instead of wish upon a star you get that one stud pass rusher which basically like a unicorn at this stage. You can look up and down the line at the better sack artists in this league. They are not the prototypical. They also went to teams that used either the 3-4 or a flex scheme that utlitzed the talent coming from the college game.

It requires a creative defensive mind, and certainly is not someone like Rod Marinelli who can do just enough to get by but will need perfect fits to make the system work.

That is because he does not believe in generating pressure in any other way than the front four. You can draft all the zone corners you want and it won't matter. You can also use the excuse of picking late in the round to dismiss the fact you are trying to get blood out of a turnip looking for the 4-3 War Daddy.

 

[waldoputty]

If Taco busts why would you want to switch to a 3-4 and build a defense around him? He's not going to be a game changer in the 3-4 if he isn't in the 4-3. JMO of course

if taco busts, he will JAG.
DLs on 3-4s are support players that let the LBs make the plays.

 

[waldoputty]

There is nothing, zero, zilch, nada that suggests the 4-3 is superior to the 3-4.

What the problem is the ability to find pass rushers. That is the one thing that needs to be considered and weighed when deciding how the scheme should run. Not hurt feelings over what happened with Rob Ryan. He was horrific and has been proven horrific. It was not the 3-4, it was him. And if people want to run down the 3-4 because it did not pay off in spades with Parcells or Phillips, I give you the Dave Campo era and even the fruitless signing of Marcellus Wiley, looking for that great pass rusher.

Plain and simple, the better pass rushers and the more plentiful are undersized OLB types.

If you want this 4-3 juggernaut Bruce Smith type or even a Mario Williams type for that matter means you are drafting in the top ten to get one. And as we saw with Williams, well, that did not do much to turn the flow for the Texans.

Undersized pass rushers almost always carry the label and are picked apart, because everyone is looking for the 6-5, 270 lb. college player who can step into the pros and dominate.

You better be really bad to get a shot at one that fits the preferred role.

Otherwise you will end up drafting the Greg Ellis and Ebenezer Ekubans over the period of two to three years and end up with nothing.

Quality pass rushers do not fit the prototype that we took in Charlton. It is just that simple.

The colleges simply are not growing them big like they used to.

The other alternative is to have a hybrid system like many teams use. The schemes are variant and a good mind can manufacture pressure instead of wish upon a star you get that one stud pass rusher which basically like a unicorn at this stage. You can look up and down the line at the better sack artists in this league. They are not the prototypical. They also went to teams that used either the 3-4 or a flex scheme that utlitzed the talent coming from the college game.

It requires a creative defensive mind, and certainly is not someone like Rod Marinelli who can do just enough to get by but will need perfect fits to make the system work.

That is because he does not believe in generating pressure in any other way than the front four. You can draft all the zone corners you want and it won't matter. You can also use the excuse of picking late in the round to dismiss the fact you are trying to get blood out of a turnip looking for the 4-3 War Daddy.

great explanation.
one other point is that with our dominant offense, we dont need a top 5 defense.
just a defense that can stop a 3-and-long more than we have been.
with that logic, we can gamble.
gamble in terms of different blitz packages that only get home some of the time.
if the offense scores once out of the blitz, so be it because our offense will score better than they can.

 

[haleyrules]

we can fire Tom so we can fire the 4-3

OK. But must wait another 28 yrs. The 4-3 is Dallas...l was disgusted when the FO experimented with the 3-4. Good riddance.

 

[Alexander]

one other point is that with our dominant offense, we dont need a top 5 defense.

As long as we have Marinelli, the idea of having a top 5 defense is not a given. It has happened only once in his career as a defensive coach that was responsible for the entire unit.

There are three years that you can look at to judge him, the Bears 2010-12.

The rest, he was out there as the crusty DL coach, going to war with talent like Warren Sapp, Simeon Rice or Julius Peppers. Otherwise he was trying to get the try hard effort players to function.

 

[Alexander]

OK. But must wait another 28 yrs. The 4-3 is Dallas...l was disgusted when the FO experimented with the 3-4. Good riddance.

Battered wives syndrome.

 

[waldoputty]

OK. But must wait another 28 yrs. The 4-3 is Dallas...l was disgusted when the FO experimented with the 3-4. Good riddance.

ok, not wed to the 4-3, dont really care but want the edge players that can rush from the draft position we are expected to be in.

 

[waldoputty]

As long as we have Marinelli, the idea of having a top 5 defense is not a given. It has happened only once in his career as a defensive coach that was responsible for the entire unit.

There are three years that you can look at to judge him, the Bears 2010-12.

The rest, he was out there as the crusty DL coach, going to war with talent like Warren Sapp, Simeon Rice or Julius Peppers. Otherwise he was trying to get the try hard effort players to function.

yes, if taco bombs, he pushed for him.
then it is his scheme or the highway.
and then he should hit the highway.

 

[Alexander]

If Taco busts why would you want to switch to a 3-4 and build a defense around him? He's not going to be a game changer in the 3-4 if he isn't in the 4-3. JMO of course

If he busts, you wouldn't be building around him in the first place.

Who builds around an ineffective player that you hope does better with a scheme change? How many times has that happened?

All in all, if Charlton makes it or not. His talent will be evident. That is all there is to it.

 

[Alexander]

Amazing how it works.

What do you expect picking in the late first? That is like picking in the second round!

The draft is a crapshoot, what do you expect?!

So, if it is a crapshoot, then you rig the table and give yourself a better chance to win than just dumb luck.

That means understanding the talent pool and going from there.

If not, you are doing nothing but on going excuses and wishing upon a star.

 

[haleyrules]

ok, not wed to the 4-3, dont really care but want the edge players that can rush from the draft position we are expected to be in.

You can get a great player at any draft position...its more about who is making those picks. Defensively, thats been a killer in Dallas.

 

[haleyrules]

Battered wives syndrome.

Ha! The fans have been battered for 20+ yrs...its understandable..

 

[haleyrules]

yes, if taco bombs, he pushed for him.
then it is his scheme or the highway.
and then he should hit the highway.

Have to give these young ladies some time!!

 

[haleyrules]

ok, not wed to the 4-3, dont really care but want the edge players that can rush from the draft position we are expected to be in.

I am perjudiced...all the Cowboy SB's were on th 4-3.