The Backup QB Spot

[visionary]

Jerry had word from Holmgren on Weeden, and they thought he could develop with talent around him. When Tony got hurt, I think they knew they didn't necessarily have Weeden ready, so they brought in a backup to cover themselves until Tony got back.

Nobody expected 0-7, but then the 0-7 is also not necessarily all on the QB, either.

It is disingenuous posts like this that cause people to not take your opinion seriously but here are 3 questions for you based on your post (now remember, stick to the question)

1. Holmgren may have given jerry the green light on Weeden in the 2013-2014 off season, but holmgren does not have a great record as talent evaluator and should the cowboys FO not have don't their own evaluation? Don't we have scouts? Why didn't we listen to them?

2. Even if we got duped into signing him initially didn't we see him in practice all of 2014 season and in games during that season? Do we have a really pathetic scouting department that they don't know how to evaluate QBs?

3. I've been told by you and many others that Jerry is just a figure head and it is Mcclay and Garrett that are really building this team yet now that this fairy tale is not convenient it was jerry who signed Weeden?

Unfortunately this is par did the course for you

 

[Nightman]

I actually would bet a lot of money that he starts another game in the NFL. I've said this in another post that I never in my wildest dreams that Anthony Wright would play another NFL minute after his horrid performance with us. He turned in a performance to end our season that made Cassel and Weeden look like Joe Montana. He ended up starting a playoff game for the Ravens. People who think they know what's gonna happen in the NFL are usually proven wrong.

And they will be making the exact same mistake we made. He has all the tools, the 'prettiest ball' you will ever see, but he can't make decisions at game speed. We dumbed down the offense so his numbers looked OK but when he uncorked those INTs and the couple that were dropped it hit home how bad he was.

He is already 32 and CLE paid him to go away and DAL dumped although he was free, so if he sticks around a year or two he will never erase his 11 game losing streak. If a team needs him to start they are in trouble.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

And they will be making the exact same mistake we made. He has all the tools, the 'prettiest ball' you will ever see, but he can't make decisions at game speed. We dumbed down the offense so his numbers looked OK but when he uncorked those INTs and the couple that were dropped it hit home how bad he was.

He is already 32 and CLE paid him to go away and DAL dumped although he was free, so if he sticks around a year or two he will never erase his 11 game losing streak. If a team needs him to start they are in trouble.

That's a nice revisionist history but again the numbers are what they are. You can get down on your knees and pray and make whatever excuses or come up with whatever fiction you want. Doesn't change that Weeden performed better than Romo and Cassel despite being stuck with a back who is no longer on the team and no Dez. Keep making excuses as to why reality doesn't match up to what you desperately want to see, though.

Weeden's problem isn't game speed, it's what it always has been: he's not good at reading defenses. That is not as nearly as fatal a flaw for a quarterback, especially a backup, as it sounds (the possible MVP this year can't really read defenses either) but for such a player to succeed they have to be in the right situation. Running Randle for 1 yard up the middle and then hoping Devin Street and Terrance Williams get open is not such a situation.

 

[big dog cowboy]

It's been brought up on several occasions on the Break how the front office decided to sign Cassell as soon as Romo went down. You can interpret this as the FO not having any confidence in Weeden and they were just hoping that Romo would play the season injury free.

Or you can interpret it that the Cowboys wanted a veteran QB at backup instead of a unproven Moore. That is a far more likely scenero IMO.

 

[Nightman]

That's a nice revisionist history but again the numbers are what they are. You can get down on your knees and pray and make whatever excuses or come up with whatever fiction you want. Doesn't change that Weeden performed better than Romo and Cassel despite being stuck with a back who is no longer on the team and no Dez. Keep making excuses as to why reality doesn't match up to what you desperately want to see, though.

Weeden's problem isn't game speed, it's what it always has been: he's not good at reading defenses. That is not as nearly as fatal a flaw for a quarterback, especially a backup, as it sounds (the possible MVP this year can't really read defenses either) but for such a player to succeed they have to be in the right situation. Running Randle for 1 yard up the middle and then hoping Devin Street and Terrance Williams get open is not such a situation.

I didn't know Brandon's agent was a CZ Member

Keep up the good work

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I didn't know Brandon's agent was a CZ Member

Keep up the good work

Same old replies from losers who got nothing. Take a seat. You're done here.

 

[Nightman]

Same old replies from losers who got nothing. Take a seat. You're done here.

You are delusional. Weeden sucks and so does your theory.

You belong together.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

You are delusional. Weeden sucks and so does your theory.

You belong together.

Your posts seemed to be constructed by a drunk 13 year old... with even less football knowledge. Stick to your lame jokes, they at least have a chance to make me laugh. Your previous 9000 posts are just boring.

 

[Nightman]

Your posts seemed to be constructed by a drunk 13 year old... with even less football knowledge. Stick to your lame jokes, they at least have a chance to make me laugh. Your previous 9000 posts are just boring.

Now you have gone from delusional to just plain sad and desperate.

You will die alone on Weeden Hill.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Now you have gone from delusional to just plain sad and desperate.

You will die alone on Weeden Hill.

Now you have gone from sad and desperate, to boring and redundant.

You and visionary will die together on Clueless Hill.

 

[Nightman]

Now you have gone from sad and desperate, to boring and redundant.

You and visionary will die together on Clueless Hill.

Please go away. You and your Jerry avatar are creepy.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Please go away. You and your Jerry avatar are creepy.

Please go away. Your embarrassing lack of knowledge concerning anything football despite nearly 9000 tries is an embarrassment to this board.

 

[Idgit]

It is disingenuous posts like this that cause people to not take your opinion seriously but here are 3 questions for you based on your post (now remember, stick to the question)

1. Holmgren may have given jerry the green light on Weeden in the 2013-2014 off season, but holmgren does not have a great record as talent evaluator and should the cowboys FO not have don't their own evaluation? Don't we have scouts? Why didn't we listen to them?

2. Even if we got duped into signing him initially didn't we see him in practice all of 2014 season and in games during that season? Do we have a really pathetic scouting department that they don't know how to evaluate QBs?

3. I've been told by you and many others that Jerry is just a figure head and it is Mcclay and Garrett that are really building this team yet now that this fairy tale is not convenient it was jerry who signed Weeden?

Unfortunately this is par did the course for you

You really need to look up the meaning of that word "disingenuous." And don't project your weird interpretations on other posters.

As to the rest of your post, find a more polite way of asking your questions and I'll be happy to answer.

 

[wileedog]

This year has nothing to do with Dallas' priorities from two drafts back.

This is exactly the mindset that keeps this team mediocre. Thinking that the priorities for a specific year's draft only apply to that year. No forward thinking at all. The Jerry "we just need one more piece" approach.

Again, the team's that are perennial winners don't approach the draft in a 'what do we need now' fashion. They look at the long term prospects for the team. And they spend the resources to groom QBs for the future, not hire a cheap washed up vet and pray the starter doesn't go down.

 

[RS12]

They really missed on their evaluation of Weeden.

Cleveland knew what he was after two years and they were desperate for a decent QB.

 

[visionary]

You really need to look up the meaning of that word "disingenuous." And don't project your weird interpretations on other posters.

As to the rest of your post, find a more polite way of asking your questions and I'll be happy to answer.

I know the meaning very well
Once again you are trying to distract from the main issue because you have no answer
Nothing new due you

 

[RS12]

Also, I'll point out that MANY posters on this board ranted and raved about how we were the laughingstock of the league because we were starting Weeden, and how any "real" GM and HC would know he doesn't belong in the NFL, etc, etc. And then when we release him and he IMMEDIATELY gets signed by another team- not a peep.

O'Brien can try and polish it but it is still a turd.

 

[RS12]

This is exactly the mindset that keeps this team mediocre. Thinking that the priorities for a specific year's draft only apply to that year. No forward thinking at all. The Jerry "we just need one more piece" approach.

Stop being logical, many dont want to hear it.

 

[Idgit]

I know the meaning very well
Once again you are trying to distract from the main issue because you have no answer
Nothing new due you

Keep to the topic of the thread. This isn't about me, and it's not about whatever issues you have.

As I said, if you're civil, I'm happy to have a discussion. So far, you're not civil.

 

[Idgit]

I admit I am playing hindsight 20/20. No question. And no, full disclosure I certainly wasn't clamoring for Carr last year. Although I wasn't fan of trading up for Lawrence either in what seemed like one of our typical desperation moves.

That said, the inability of this team to adequately groom QBs behind Romo has been completely on display this year. A team like the Patriots doesn't worry about that one more piece they need to win, they make sure they have the pieces in place for any contingency. That's why they don't get caught flat footed when they get bad breaks like we do.

There shouldn't be any doubt we blew it at QB2 the last two years. I don't have an issue with trying to develop Weeden specifically. The guy had the physical tools to play in this league. We ought to have prioritized a backup in the draft at some point, too.

We were reportedly interested in Tom Savage a few years back. There were a couple of other names floating around that escape me now. I don't think any of them were going to end up being 'the guy,' but we should ateast have been looking.