The Backup QB Spot

[Idgit]

This is exactly the mindset that keeps this team mediocre. Thinking that the priorities for a specific year's draft only apply to that year. No forward thinking at all. The Jerry "we just need one more piece" approach.

Again, the team's that are perennial winners don't approach the draft in a 'what do we need now' fashion. They look at the long term prospects for the team. And they spend the resources to groom QBs for the future, not hire a cheap washed up vet and pray the starter doesn't go down.

It's not like we're not also drafting with an eye towards what we'll need down the road. We've had a lot of needs to fill. It's not as if the QB position is the only thing we've been concerned with.

It's also, by far, the hardest spot to fill on the roster. I'm not sure the other good teams in this league are all as set at QB2 as they might look on paper. Again, our shortcomings this season have had to do with more than just Romo being out.

 

[rpntex]

This is a rant. Not logical reasoning.

Which vet QB did you want?

And again while statistics aren't perfect Weeden had a 90+ qb rating and a 58 QBR. He won us a game in relief and had us close in 2 of 3 games deep into the 4th.

What about Weeden's play this year showed "everyone and their mother" that he couldn't play QB?

Weeden wasn't theveason Dallas lost to Atlanta and New Orleans. Those were complete collapses by the defense. He WAS terrible against New England, but that was a game that Dallas loses even WITH Romo.

 

[noshame]

The problem is we've been looking for a back-up and not a starter, after this season everybody's eyes are open, we need a starter. Time to pony up and draft a QB. I wouldn't mind stealing old Brock from the Broncos, even if it costs 2 #1's to get him.

 

[wileedog]

I don't have an issue with trying to develop Weeden specifically.

I do. Talent level aside, he's 32 years old. Why were we wasting time and resources to 'develop' a guy who may retire only a couple of years after Romo?

 

[visionary]

Keep to the topic of the thread. This isn't about me, and it's not about whatever issues you have.

As I said, if you're civil, I'm happy to have a discussion. So far, you're not civil.

Ok now I got to the source of your confusion, you seem to be struggling with what the thread topic is

This is a thread on the decisions our FO made regarding our back up QB position and all my questions were related to that So I'm on topic

In terms of how I asked the questions, they were in English, did you want me to add in some pictures for ease of understanding ?

 

[Idgit]

Ok now I got to the source of your confusion, you seem to be struggling with what the thread topic is

This is a thread on the decisions our FO made regarding our back up QB position and all my questions were related to that So I'm on topic

In terms of how I asked the questions, they were in English, did you want me to add in some pictures for ease of understanding ?

Dude, what's your problem? Seriously.

This isn't a thread about your opinion of me, and it's not going to become one. I'm not going to address your questions because I don't like the tone of your discussion, not because you stumped me with a couple of real brain teasers. You need to move on.

 

[Idgit]

I do. Talent level aside, he's 32 years old. Why were we wasting time and resources to 'develop' a guy who may retire only a couple of years after Romo?

That's reasonable. Even if it took two years to develop him you're only going to get maybe 4-5 out of him.

I was never a huge Weeden guy from the start because of the age and the learning curve. QBs are hard to come by, so I understand why they took a look at him and what they were thinking, but they should have handicapped him better.

He did get a bum deal here, in my opinion. He wasn't as bad as people want to remember, and the team he had during his three games was missing a lot of good players. His first four quarters were really efficient, and then things started to fall apart in him. I don't believe Cassell would have looked any better at all v. New England.

 

[RS12]

It's also, by far, the hardest spot to fill in professional sports.

FIFY

 

[wileedog]

He did get a bum deal here, in my opinion. He wasn't as bad as people want to remember, and the team he had during his three games was missing a lot of good players. His first four quarters were really efficient, and then things started to fall apart in him. I don't believe Cassell would have looked any better at all v. New England.

I agree with you. In fact I thought he looked decent enough until he threw that first INT over Witten's head on what looked a bit of an improv play. Whether it was the coaches reigning him in or a loss in confidence on his part after that play (or most likely a combo of both), he just refused to look downfield from that point on. You can't play the position scared.

 

[Idgit]

I agree with you. In fact I thought he looked decent enough until he threw that first INT over Witten's head on what looked a bit of an improv play. Whether it was the coaches reigning him in or a loss in confidence on his part after that play (or most likely a combo of both), he just refused to look downfield from that point on. You can't play the position scared.

Yeah, he was playing well, then threw that dumb pick in ATL, and sort of hit the wall there. Then NE came in and just picked the wings off of our offense and played around with the body for 60 minutes, and he was done.

 

[IAmLegend]

Ok yea. Please God, by the great beard of Zeus, draft a real backup QB...

 

[Thorsson]

I do. Talent level aside, he's 32 years old. Why were we wasting time and resources to 'develop' a guy who may retire only a couple of years after Romo?

Weeden is a young 32 by football standards. Remember, he wasn't taking hits in his twenties, he was throwing baseballs.

 

[wileedog]

Weeden is a young 32 by football standards. Remember, he wasn't taking hits in his twenties, he was throwing baseballs.

Still pointless.

 

[Cowboyz88]

Uh, yeah, we need to draft a QB.

 

[Thorsson]

Weeden has a rocket arm, and he proved that in Cleveland when Josh Gordon was setting receiving yardage records after catching Weeden's passes. The other Browns receivers were the worst in NFL history. I blame the Cowboys coaching staff for not bringing in a deep-threat WR for Weeden to throw to with Dez Bryant missing all three of Weeden's starts. Weeden is inexperienced on the pro level, but he can still throw a ball from his knees farther than Cassel could with a running start.

 

[Dale]

It's hard to find a good backup QB. There aren't enough good starters, much less backups you'd feel comfortable playing at long lengths.

But if we continue moving forward with Romo, we are going to need a good backup unless we are willing to concede our season every time he breaks.

The scary part is Cassel isn't a terrible backup. But he's pretty awful once he gets on the field, if you catch my drift.

 

[dallasdave]

Dallas needs to get 2 backup QB's before next year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[remdak]

Weeden has a rocket arm, and he proved that in Cleveland when Josh Gordon was setting receiving yardage records after catching Weeden's passes. The other Browns receivers were the worst in NFL history. I blame the Cowboys coaching staff for not bringing in a deep-threat WR for Weeden to throw to with Dez Bryant missing all three of Weeden's starts. Weeden is inexperienced on the pro level, but he can still throw a ball from his knees farther than Cassel could with a running start.

Weeden's happy now. He is the backup QB for a first place team.

 

[dallasdave]

Ok yea. Please God, by the great beard of Zeus, draft a real backup QB...

 

[silver]

I've seen the brain trust at Valley Ranch take a lot of beating over this single spot on the 53.

But really have the Cowboys been that negligent? What would you have done differently this offseason? People clamor about drafting a QB. But would a rookie QB have necessarily played better than our backups?

What QB taken in the draft would you have liked? We obviously had no shot at the top 2 guys.

The 3rd QB taken was Garrett Grayson by the Saints in the 3rd round. When Brees went down he didn't get the start.

The 4th QB taken was Sean Mannion by the Rams in the 3rd round . The Rams benched Foles at one point. Mannion didn't get the start.

Bryce Petty in the 4th?

Brett Hundley in the 5th?

Trevor Siemian (who) in the 7th?

Are we sure any of these guys are good? Yet alone would have been better than Weeden/Matty?

Honestly the Cowboys haven't been negligent in the backup qb spot. There just aren't a lot of humans on this Earth that can play the QB position well at this level. It is why they get the big bucks.

Before Weeden we routinely had one of the most expensive backups in the league (the Orton types). Then we went out and signed a former number 1 pick out of a bad situation hoping our personnel could be the difference. We then went out and traded for a former pro bowler who was in a offseason long fight for a starting position this year in the National Football League.

It's easy to say go get a guy. Much harder to do. Our front office has not been negligent.

Ever sine Garrett took over for good in 2011 we could've had:

Andy Dalton
Colt McCoy
Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Kirk Cousins
Landry Jones
Johnny Manziel
Derek Carr
Teddy Bridgewater
Jimmy Garapolo
AJ McCarron
Zack Mettenberger

Plus the ones you mentioned in your OP. Is not as if there's nothing out there