The Brady Case

[Nightman]

The Judge is almost demanding a settlement but I don't see any middle ground.

The NFL needs to get a suspension of at least 2 games and Brady needs a total acquittal.

Fines would be absolutely meaningless.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The Judge is almost demanding a settlement but I don't see any middle ground.

The NFL needs to get a suspension of at least 2 games and Brady needs a total acquittal.

Fines would be absolutely meaningless.

 

[landroverking]

Take the needles away from him.

No really jus make them play the whole game with one ball.

 

[Kevinicus]

I haven't really paid too close attention to this case, there's a lot of conflicting information out there, and I'm just too lazy and don't care enough to sort through it all. However, there does seem to be a substantial shift in perception among many media outlets since the transcripts of the appeal were released. A lot of people saying Goodell looks very bad in all of this, and I have no doubt he's bungled things up pretty good (just like in many other instances), regardless of Brady's guilt or innocence.

 

[Nightman]

I haven't really paid too close attention to this case, there's a lot of conflicting information out there, and I'm just too lazy and don't care enough to sort through it all. However, there does seem to be a substantial shift in perception among many media outlets since the transcripts of the appeal were released. A lot of people saying Goodell looks very bad in all of this, and I have no doubt he's bungled things up pretty good (just like in many other instances), regardless of Brady's guilt or innocence.

I think most media members thought Goodell would reduce it just because it was Brady and Kraft didn't appeal. When Goodell upheld the 4 game suspension the Pat fans like Mike Florio of PFT and Bill Simmons went on the the offensive. There is still pretty substantial evidence they cheated and Brady did destroy his cell phone. I like the Judge will have to decide the case because a settlement looks like a long shot.

 

[ragman]

The Judge is almost demanding a settlement but I don't see any middle ground.

The NFL needs to get a suspension of at least 2 games and Brady needs a total acquittal.

Fines would be absolutely meaningless.

Agreed.

 

[khiladi]

It's comical that the homers are acting like Goodell screwed this up, but have full faith in Goodell when it came to Spygate...

 

[GroundZero1970]

I just do not understand how Federal Court has any interest or jurisdiction in deciding how a business doles out discipline in the workplace. I mean it would be like my wife not wearing proper uniform at work, getting written up and then going to Federal Court to have the writeup dismissed

 

[Rogah]

I just do not understand how Federal Court has any interest or jurisdiction in deciding how a business doles out discipline in the workplace. I mean it would be like my wife not wearing proper uniform at work, getting written up and then going to Federal Court to have the writeup dismissed

Because it's a union issue and the judge is being asked to interpret the CBA. If your wife was in a labor union and the CBA negotiated between her union and management said a uniform violation was a $50 fine, and she got fired for not wearing a proper uniform, then you bet she'd have a case in a court of law.

 

[GroundZero1970]

Because it's a union issue and the judge is being asked to interpret the CBA. If your wife was in a labor union and the CBA negotiated between her union and management said a uniform violation was a $50 fine, and she got fired for not wearing a proper uniform, then you bet she'd have a case in a court of law.

Ok i was just not sure thanks for the clarification

 

[rynochop]

Ok i was just not sure thanks for the clarification

Your point still makes since tho, and it seems the court doesnt want to fool with it either. I mean this isnt the United auto workers

 

[Deep_South]

I've seen enough here to come to the conclusion that Goodell should be fired. This is more about his ego than the "integrity of the game". If he was really concerned about that he would have corrected the erroneous statement that 11 of the 12 Patriots footballs were 2 pounds or more under pressure. Instead, he left it out there to mobilize public opinion against Brady. He also would quit pretending Brady destroying his phone is proof of Brady's guilt, not only because it is nonsense, but because he had no legal way to get Brady's phone anyway. Plus, Goodell essentially issued the verdict and penalty even though he had no direct evidence of guilt before he even heard from the defense, a practice isn't designed to be fair at all. He reminds me very much of Captain Queeg in "The Caine Mutiny", pursuing under-inflated footballs instead of strawberries.

 

[Kevinicus]

Is John Dowd a Patriots fan, or have a reason to be against Goodell and the NFL?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I've seen enough here to come to the conclusion that Goodell should be fired. This is more about his ego than the "integrity of the game". If he was really concerned about that he would have corrected the erroneous statement that 11 of the 12 Patriots footballs were 2 pounds or more under pressure. Instead, he left it out there to mobilize public opinion against Brady. He also would quit pretending Brady destroying his phone is proof of Brady's guilt, not only because it is nonsense, but because he had no legal way to get Brady's phone anyway. Plus, Goodell essentially issued the verdict and penalty even though he had no direct evidence of guilt before he even heard from the defense, a practice isn't designed to be fair at all. He reminds me very much of Captain Queeg in "The Caine Mutiny", pursuing under-inflated footballs instead of strawberries.

Goodell should be fired but only because Belichick should have gotten suspended games too.

 

[Nightman]

I've seen enough here to come to the conclusion that Goodell should be fired. This is more about his ego than the "integrity of the game". If he was really concerned about that he would have corrected the erroneous statement that 11 of the 12 Patriots footballs were 2 pounds or more under pressure. Instead, he left it out there to mobilize public opinion against Brady. He also would quit pretending Brady destroying his phone is proof of Brady's guilt, not only because it is nonsense, but because he had no legal way to get Brady's phone anyway. Plus, Goodell essentially issued the verdict and penalty even though he had no direct evidence of guilt before he even heard from the defense, a practice isn't designed to be fair at all. He reminds me very much of Captain Queeg in "The Caine Mutiny", pursuing under-inflated footballs instead of strawberries.

Someone on the Pats cheated during the AFCCG.

They were caught red handed with the balls and on video tape taking the bag of balls into the bathroom. The guy called himself the "deflator" and got paid off in Brady autographs and merchandise. He was also fired along with the guy who texted Brady after the game.

It is circumstantial because Brady destroyed the evidence and his lackeys took the fall.

But lets not act like 4 games is the death penalty either. OScan got 4 games for popping a Molly during Spring Break in another country.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Somehow this is up with throwing a World Series game or PED abuse. In a few years, it's really going to be laughable how people attempted to make this seem like the worst sports scandal ever.

Quarterback Tom Brady's four-game suspension is too long, according to nearly 80 percent of the players. So it's no surprise that 88 percent said league discipline should not be determined solely by commissioner Roger Goodell..... http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...-england-patriots-deflated-footballs-cheaters

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I said I would only posts facts about this

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

These are the poll questions submitted to 100 NFL players

Complete Results Of 13-Question Survey
1. Do you think the Patriots deflated footballs?
Yes: 72%
No: 28%

2. Yes or no: I am upset with the Patriots for allegedly deflating footballs.
Yes: 16%
No: 84%

3. Yes or no: I think the Patriots are cheaters.
Yes: 42%
No: 58%

4. Do you think deflated footballs impact the outcome of games?
Yes: 48%
No: 52%

5. How many games should Tom Brady have been suspended for?
Average answer: 1.5
More than four games: 3%
Four games exactly: 19%
Fewer than four games: 78%

6. With Tom Brady sitting for four games, will the Patriots still make the playoffs?
Yes: 85%
No: 15%

7. Yes or no: I'm still mad about SpyGate.
Yes: 20%
No: 80%

8. Should player discipline be decided by Roger Goodell?
Yes: 12%
No: 88%

9. Yes or no: I think other teams illegally tamper with balls.
Yes: 68%
No: 32%

10. What is the most common form of on-field cheating in football?
Holding: 55% (Most popular answer)

11. What is the most outlandish form of cheating you've witnessed in a game?
Cheap shots and deliberate injuries: 52% (Most popular answer)

12. What percentage of players do you think cheat in some way on the field?
30%

13. Do you think players on your own team cheat?
Yes: 29%
No: 71%

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Summary of the above poll of 100 NFL players

• Goodell SHOULD NOT BE sole arbiter in cases.
• Brady's suspension is over twice what it should be.
• The Patriots cheated, but it's not that big a deal with players...intent to injure is much more serious.
• Two out of three players think other teams also tamper with footballs like the Patriots.
• Nearly one out of three players think there are cheaters on their own team.

 

[Nightman]

Summary of the above poll of 100 NFL players

• Goodell SHOULD NOT BE sole arbiter in cases.
• Brady's suspension is over twice what it should be.
• The Patriots cheated, but it's not that big a deal with players...intent to injure is much more serious.
• Two out of three players think other teams also tamper with footballs like the Patriots.
• Nearly one out of three players think there are cheaters on their own team.

The main purpose of a commissioner is to issue punishments and manage disputes. That is literally his job. The owners are too biased and are often involved.