The Brady Case

Guys time to forget about the Wells report.

It's now about the CBA and the process.
If limited to that the NFL wins hands down.
 
I say this is about the patriots.
The patriots did this to themselves.

By your logic, only the pats have been, continue to be.... Will forever be...Sanctioned for cheating.

Ok, Manolo. "Choot dat peas achitt"

More of "only the Patriots are capable of this kind of wrong - the other 31 teams would never do this"

This is also about Goodell's competency as a judge. The day will come when the Cowboys are on the receiving end of a similar situation. Obviously you won't be able to deal with it when it happens.
 
More of "only the Patriots are capable of this kind of wrong - the other 31 teams would never do this"

This is also about Goodell's competency as a judge. The day will come when the Cowboys are on the receiving end of a similar situation. Obviously you won't be able to deal with it when it happens.

Are you familiar with Greg Hardy?

I wouldn't call this a "traffic violation" level offense. It is much greater than that.
 
Are you familiar with Greg Hardy?

I wouldn't call this a "traffic violation" level offense. It is much greater than that.

Domestic violence is never trivial. I infuriated a number of blind homers a few months ago saying this is far more serious than football PSI, yet they give Hardy a pass.

Is Roger Goodell a man that judges cases by principle, precedent, and consistency?

No, no, and no.

He's playing to the owners, then whatever public opinion is at that time.
 
Domestic violence is never trivial. I infuriated a number of blind homers a few months ago saying this is far more serious than football PSI, yet they give Hardy a pass.

Is Roger Goodell a man that judges cases by principle, precedent, and consistency?

No, no, and no.

He's playing to the owners, then whatever public opinion is at that time.

I don't know of that many blind homers on CZ. Most of our homers are pretty level-headed. Perhaps you pointed it out and they suggested there ought to be a difference from the perspective of the league between offenses that violate the rules and outcomes of games and seasons and personal issues that are handled by legal authorities? And that it's silly to get those two things crossed up?

I do agree with you about Goodell, in general. He's bad for the league. The Pats, however, got caught cheating, again, and they deserve at least what they got as a result. I have a hard time understanding anybody feeling sorry for them.
 
Domestic violence is never trivial. I infuriated amber of blind homers a few months ago saying this is far more serious than football PSI, yet they give Hardy a pass.

Is Roger Goodell a man that judges cases by principle, precedent, and consistency?

No, no, and no.

He's playing to the owners, then whatever public opinion is at that time.

The Pats aren't getting any sympathy from the owners or the fans. They are generally respected but their fans are arrogant and their history isn't clean. They are known as serial cheaters but try to act holier than thou.
 
I don't know of that many blind homers on CZ. Most of our homers are pretty level-headed. Perhaps you pointed it out and they suggested there ought to be a difference from the perspective of the league between offenses that violate the rules and outcomes of games and seasons and personal issues that are handled by legal authorities? And that it's silly to get those two things crossed up?

Pretty good response.

I'd have to go back several months. I don't know the word you would call a number of members ranting against the Patriots, but they did not take it very kindly they cared very much about whatever Brady did while not wanting Hardy to miss a single game. Some wanted Brady suspended an entire season.

Thank you for noticing Goodell's justice over his career has been uneven.
 
What's funny is how people think this will "cost Goodell his job". LOL

The owners LOVE him. This isn't American Idol. Fans don't get to vote. Players don't get to vote. There are only 32 votes, and it's 30-2 or so. New England and New Orleans probably want him out, but the rest absolutely love him.

And by the way, if you don't cheat or break the law, you'll never meet the guy as a player. People need to stop blaming Goodell for the actions of others. He didn't manipulate the footballs, beat Peterson's kid, throw Hardy's girlfriend on the gun couch, or beat Ray Rice's wife. He's left to pass judgment on these cheaters and criminals.

I don't feel sorry for self-inflicters.
 
Pretty good response.

I'd have to go back several months. I don't know the word you would call a number of members ranting against the Patriots, but they did not take it very kindly they cared very much about whatever Brady did while not wanting Hardy to miss a single game. Some wanted Brady suspended an entire season.

Thank you for noticing Goodell's justice over his career has been uneven.


Please stay on topic. The Brady case. Only facts. No agenda driven rants please.

Hardy and the cowboys have absolutely nothing to do with this.

Clearly you have one. Another protector of the Pats and Brady. This us unreal.



What's funny is how people think this will "cost Goodell his job". LOL

The owners LOVE him. This isn't American Idol. Fans don't get to vote. Players don't get to vote. There are only 32 votes, and it's 30-2 or so. New England and New Orleans probably want him out, but the rest absolutely love him.

And by the way, if you don't cheat or break the law, you'll never meet the guy as a player. People need to stop blaming Goodell for the actions of others. He didn't manipulate the footballs, beat Peterson's kid, throw Hardy's girlfriend on the gun couch, or beat Ray Rice's wife. He's left to pass judgment on these cheaters and criminals.

I don't feel sorry for self-inflicters.



Lol that is funny.




The incidents you mentioned will lead to his dismissal. No chance.
 
The incidents you mentioned will lead to his dismissal. No chance.

Dismissal by whom?

Again, the owners absolutely adore him. He's making them money by the bushel. He works for them.
 
I would seem to me these two guys were fired for discussing sabotaging the Patriots' game balls and showing a considerable amount of disrespect for the team's star quarterback. They certainly could answer a bunch of questions if they were willing to come forward. On the other hand, Brady has said repeatedly he never told anyone at any time to adjust the air pressure in footballs, knowing they are out there and could decide to meet with a reporter and tell the truth at any time. They could certainly sell their story to the National Enquirer. I suppose it is possible they signed a non-disclosure agreement when they got their jobs and can't talk because of it. I signed one of those with one of my employers, and it was comprehensive, to say the least.
Florio article from this past May. It is worth noting that the NFL denied this report the next day, but they have been lying to the public about this thing from day 1.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...spended-jastremski-mcnally-at-request-of-nfl/

Patriots suspended Jastremski, McNally at request of NFL

Now, the news being leaked is positive for the Patriots, since it explains why they suspended without pay two guys whom
the Patriots believe did nothing wrong.
 
Florio article from this past May. It is worth noting that the NFL denied this report the next day, but they have been lying to the public about this thing from day 1.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...spended-jastremski-mcnally-at-request-of-nfl/

Patriots suspended Jastremski, McNally at request of NFL

Now, the news being leaked is positive for the Patriots, since it explains why they suspended without pay two guys whom
the Patriots believe did nothing wrong.

Quoting Mike Florio as a source doesn't help the case.
 
Quoting Mike Florio as a source doesn't help the case.
Florio was simply repeating something that Schefter originally reported. I linked the Florio article instead of the Schefter Fecebook "tweet," but since you insist....

Adam Schefter
May 19 ·
For those asking why Patriots suspended two employees if those two did nothing wrong, as New England claims: NFL asked Pats to suspend them prior to discipline being handed down, per a league source in New York. New England obliged with the NFL's request.
 
Florio was simply repeating something that Schefter originally reported. I linked the Florio article instead of the Schefter Fecebook "tweet," but since you insist....

Adam Schefter
May 19 ·
For those asking why Patriots suspended two employees if those two did nothing wrong, as New England claims: NFL asked Pats to suspend them prior to discipline being handed down, per a league source in New York. New England obliged with the NFL's request.

they haven't been re-hired
 
Please stay on topic. The Brady case. Only facts. No agenda driven rants please.

Hardy and the cowboys have absolutely nothing to do with this.

Clearly you have one. Another protector of the Pats and Brady. This us unreal.

I was and you willfully confuse disagreement for being off topic.

Goodell and the other cases he's ruled on has everything to do with this case - it's exactly why it's in Federal Court. Whether or not Goodell is a good judge on NFL matters is clearly part of the Brady case.
 
I was and you willfully confuse disagreement for being off topic.

Goodell and the other cases he's ruled on has everything to do with this case - it's exactly why it's in Federal Court. Whether or not Goodell is a good judge on NFL matters is clearly part of the Brady case.

There is zero confusion. You are clearly off topic.




Florio article from this past May. It is worth noting that the NFL denied this report the next day, but they have been lying to the public about this thing from day 1.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...spended-jastremski-mcnally-at-request-of-nfl/

Patriots suspended Jastremski, McNally at request of NFL

Now, the news being leaked is positive for the Patriots, since it explains why they suspended without pay two guys whom
the Patriots believe did nothing wrong.

So, the nfl denied a report and the nfl has been lying to us. Lying to us, maybe they created the deflategate themselves. Maybe that is fact. I think I agree with you. This has been a complete falsehood.



"Here, let me give you vinnies watch"
 
they haven't been re-hired
That's because one of the deflategate punishments originally handed down by the league was both of them need Troy Vincent's approval for reinstatement.

So to summarize: The league asked the Patriots to suspend them and only the league can reinstate them. Them currently not working for the Patriots is entirely the league's doing.

The general consensus is the 2 of them will be engaging in a few legal maneuvers of their own when the time is right, but the time is not right yet.
 
There is zero confusion. You are clearly off topic.

If Goodell's judgement was respected, why is it in court? From your POV, the case should be dismissed, but it's not.

I've noticed a pattern on DeflateGate topics, you expect "discussions" to be members joining your lynch mob, else you will badger them....that might be a reason your recent "DeflateGate worse than Black Sox" thread (words to that effect) is gone. ;) Just stating the facts.
 
lmao!
ESPN's NFL Nation reporters and ESPN The Magazine contributors polled more than 100 players (not every player answered every question) and found a similarly sensible consensus. While 72 percent of respondents believe the Patriots were responsible for lowering air pressure of the footballs, only 16 percent said they were "upset" by it and 68 percent said they think other teams do the same thing. Sixty percent said the Patriots aren't "cheaters."
Why in bloody hades would any self-respecting media organization SELF-sanction a poll of this nature?

Are you telling me that a $40 billion dollar media corporation like ESPN disregarded any perception of data legitimacy and conducted essentially an ESPNNation poll, instead of hiring an independent research firm? What? Did they think they would be outrageously billed?

omg.

How was the poll conducted?

Were telephone interviews, mailed questionnaires, etc. used?

How was the sampling decided?

Were poll questions open or closed oriented?

And those are just questions off the top of my head. "Over 100 players polled." Who says? ESPN??? For all I know, 10 total Patriot players were contacted by email for this poll.

This is a joke and pathetic. E for Entertainment indeed. This is a significant issue for the National Football League, the New England Patriots, and sports fans. It should not be approached casually like some minor topic for building a SportsCenter graphic. Perhaps ESPN isn't being called on this nonsense because it is commonly known to produce unscientific poll data on a regular daily basis. That is not a good enough excuse however. Unprofessional. ESPN should be ashamed of itself, do the right thing, and COMMISSION a poll by an independent firm.

/rant
 
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