CFZ The case for a RB high in the draft

[CCBoy]

CC, you're making too much sense.

You're absolutely right. If either Bijan Robinson or Jahmyr Gibbs is there when the Cowboys pick at #26, the Cowboys would be wise to pick one of them up.

Three teams who might pick a running back:

1. Philadelphia - 10
2. Detroit - 18
3. Chargers - 21

 

[America's Cowboy]

Three teams who might pick a running back:

1. Philadelphia - 10
2. Detroit - 18
3. Chargers - 21

I know. Just need 2 of the 3 to pass on 1 of the 2 top RBs. I have a feeling they won't. They know the value of both RBs. Hopefully, another position player or two drops to allow either Bijan or Jahmyr to drop to us at #26.

If both RBs are gone, I would prefer the Cowboys take one of the playmaking WRs (either Hyatt or Flowers). If both are gone, how about that big TE from Georgia, Darnell Washington? I don't like Kincaid. His combine numbers were average, and his season stats were as well. Not worth a 1st round pick. Darnell Washington had average numbers but because he was hardly used. Watching his tape, plus his size, strength and speed, he would fit quite well with our Cowboys both as a blocker and pass catcher. If Washington is also gone, how about trade down with someone like Arizona down into the early 2nd and secure an extra 4th and 6th round picks? Then pick the best WR, RB, DT, OL and QB with their two 2nd round picks, late 3rd and two 4ths?

 

[CCBoy]

I know. Just need 2 of the 3 to pass on 1 of the 2 top RBs. I have a feeling they won't. They know the value of both RBs. Hopefully, another position player or two drops to allow either Bijan or Jahmyr to drop to us at #26.

If both RBs are gone, I would prefer the Cowboys take one of the playmaking WRs (either Hyatt or Flowers). If both are gone, how about that big TE from Georgia, Darnell Washington? I don't like Kincaid. His combine numbers were average, and his season stats were as well. Not worth a 1st round pick. Darnell Washington had average numbers but because he was hardly used. Watching his tape, plus his size, strength and speed, he would fit quite well with our Cowboys both as a blocker and pass catcher. If Washington is also gone, how about trade down with someone like Arizona down into the early 2nd and secure an extra 4th and 6th round picks? Then pick the best WR, RB, DT, OL and QB with their two 2nd round picks, late 3rd and two 4ths?

Workable, but the board will determine drop or stand...I just don't have a clue on team directions.

I would still attempt to trade up for one of the two runners...

Philadelphia may still go defense at their top pick.

 

[CCBoy]

If trading up in the draft, Jerry could handle moving up to about 17-18, it would be easier, and might yield :

Paris Johnson Jr., OT, Ohio State​

Paris Johnson Jr. is ranked in the top five by most experts at offensive tackle in this year’s draft. He played in all 13 of his team’s games his junior season and was named a consensus All-American. Kiper projects Johnson to go to the Buccaneers at pick 19 as the fourth offensive lineman off the board...

...Trading up to take an offensive lineman would raise some eyebrows, but the Cowboys likely would not have to trade up too high. Going from 26th to just inside the 20s seems reasonable. While Tyler Smith was drafted as a potential Tyron Smith replacement, his natural position is guard. Getting Johnson might prove to be a more suitable replacement on the left or right side of the line.

https://thelandryhat.com/2023/04/17...ade-up-2023-draft-robinson-kincaid-johnson/4/

 

[America's Cowboy]

Workable, but the board will determine drop or stand...I just don't have a clue on team directions.

I would still attempt to trade up for one of the two runners...

Philadelphia may still go defense at their top pick.

I would have no problem trading up if the Cowboys don't have to give up too much. Maybe their 26th, their 5th and next year's 3rd at the most (move up 250 points to the Steelers' 17th overall pick) at the highest to move up ahead of the Lions at #18? Or only move up 150 points to the Seahawks' 20th pick spot (trade the Cowboys 26th, this year's 5th rounder and next year's 3rd rounder) in order to move ahead of the Chargers at #21?

 

[America's Cowboy]

If trading up in the draft, Jerry could handle moving up to about 17-18, it would be easier, and might yield :

Paris Johnson Jr., OT, Ohio State​

Paris Johnson Jr. is ranked in the top five by most experts at offensive tackle in this year’s draft. He played in all 13 of his team’s games his junior season and was named a consensus All-American. Kiper projects Johnson to go to the Buccaneers at pick 19 as the fourth offensive lineman off the board...

...Trading up to take an offensive lineman would raise some eyebrows, but the Cowboys likely would not have to trade up too high. Going from 26th to just inside the 20s seems reasonable. While Tyler Smith was drafted as a potential Tyron Smith replacement, his natural position is guard. Getting Johnson might prove to be a more suitable replacement on the left or right side of the line.

https://thelandryhat.com/2023/04/17...ade-up-2023-draft-robinson-kincaid-johnson/4/

I wouldn't use a 1st round pick on another Olineman. Use a mid-round pick on OL and keep developing. Cowboys already have their starting 5 Olinemen, plus their backups. Use the 1st round pick on a bonafied playmaker who will help this Offense and Dak light it up. That's what was needed during the 2022 Season playoffs. We need more weapons on Offense, not another costly Olineman.

 

[CCBoy]

"“When you get a running back in the first round, their production over the first five years, it automatically is 32 percent higher than anyone drafted in the second or later. The problem is giving them that second contract,” Clark said. “But if you go out and you get Bijan Robinson, you have a 1-2 punch along with Tony Pollard that Dak Prescott the presence he needs in the backfield to take that next step and get back to who he was two years ago.”"

https://thelandryhat.com/2023/04/10...-no-26-overall-nfl-draft-johnston-robinson/3/

 

[CCBoy]

I wouldn't use a 1st round pick on another Olineman. Use a mid-round pick on OL and keep developing. Cowboys already have their starting 5 Olinemen, plus their backups. Use the 1st round pick on a bonafied playmaker who will help this Offense and Dak light it up. That's what was needed during the 2022 Season playoffs. We need more weapons on Offense, not another costly Olineman.

There will be 1 or 2 tackles subject for consideration of being let go next season. Smith is pretty darned long toothed and Steele is coming off injury. Then there is cap flows in question and improving team ability to keep up with cash and change, both.

 

[America's Cowboy]

There will be 1 or 2 tackles subject for consideration of being let go next season. Smith is pretty darned long toothed and Steele is coming off injury. Then there is cap flows in question and improving team ability to keep up with cash and chnge, both.

Understood, but you don't have to keep using 1st round picks on your Oline.

The Eagles had the best Oline in the NFL last season, yet they only had one 1st rounder on their Oline. Cowboys Great Wall of Dallas during the 90s SB years only had one 1st rounder on their Oline as well. This crap of today of using super costly 1st round picks on your Oline is for the birds! Hire a darn good Oline coach and staff who can coach up your mid-round drafted Olinemen. You leave your first 3 round picks for playmakers at positions of need. Problem solved.

 

[CCBoy]

Understood, but you don't have to keep using 1st round picks on your Oline.

The Eagles had the best Oline in the NFL last season, yet they only had one 1st rounder on their Oline. Cowboys Great Wall of Dallas during the 90s SB years only had one 1st rounder on their Oline as well. This crap of today of using super costly 1st round picks on your Oline is for the birds! Hire a darn good Oline coach and staff who can coach up your mid-round drafted Olinemen. You leave your first 3 round picks for playmakers at positions of need. Problem solved.

Here, just a reminder of where the top recent linemen were acquired...the first rounds. Smith, Smith, Martin, Frederick...one pays for more than showing up to be top shelf and able to score on anyone.

I was a NCO and never told a private that he was cannon fodder either...or told him to go to the Como SGT and ask for a can of liquid squelch.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Here, just a reminder of where the top recent linemen were acquired...the first rounds. Smith, Smith, Martin, Frederick...one pays for more than showing up to be top shelf and able to score on anyone.

I was a NCO and never told a private that he was cannon fodder either...or told him to go to the Como SGT and ask for a can of liquid squelch.

Understood, but if you don't have the scoring playmakers (RB or WR), what good is another 1st round picked Olineman going to be? Did we not learn from this past 2022 season and what ailed us was a lack of legit playmakers?

 

[CCBoy]

Understood, but if you don't have the scoring playmakers (RB or WR), what good is another 1st round picked Olineman going to be? Did we not learn from this past 2022 season and what ailed us was a lack of legit playmakers?

The Cowboys aren't exactly limping to the start line here...

 

[Captain-Crash]

offensive line or defense line.

 

[noshame]

Pollard can lead the league in rushing
Drafting a RB with your 1st pick is a waste of a pick, didn't we just learn this.

Linehans offense and creative play calling with Dak and Zeke got us to the Playoffs.
That whole sentence made me throw up in my mouth a bit.

 

[America's Cowboy]

The Cowboys aren't exactly limping to the start line here...

Are you sure? Gallup is still recovering from an ACL tear. Pollard is still recovering. Zeke is gone. Schultz is gone. Noah Brown is gone. Backups at RB and WR look bad.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Pollard can lead the league in rushing
Drafting a RB with your 1st pick is a waste of a pick, didn't we just learn this.

Linehans offense and creative play calling with Dak and Zeke got us to the Playoffs.
That whole sentence made me throw up in my mouth a bit.

Seriously? Zeke was a power horse for us those first 4-5 years. Opposing Defenses couldn't just pin their ears back and just rush the passer the way the 49ers and others did all last season. Didn't yall pay attention and notice this?

 

[DandyDon52]

Counterpoint.

That 2014 all pro and single season cowboys record holder was a 3rd round pick who was running behind an elite line.

Draft a guard. Make the OL dominant again and let pollard and a mid round pick carve up defenses behind them.

Counterpoint. to your Counterpoint.
In 2014 they had a different OC who stuck with the run even when behind. Different OL coach, one of the best, and I cant remember what scheme
they ran, think it was zone blocking.
Had fred calling stuff at the line , very smart guy.

So you cant assume you can draft a guard at 26 and boom! the OL is dominant again ! lol there are many factors your ignoring.
Also you never know about line picks, will they be good or not.

I dont care what they do, but RB is the smart pick for helping this season.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Counterpoint. to your Counterpoint.
In 2014 they had a different OC who stuck with the run even when behind. Different OL coach, one of the best, and I cant remember what scheme
they ran, think it was zone blocking.
Had fred calling stuff at the line , very smart guy.

So you cant assume you can draft a guard at 26 and boom! the OL is dominant again ! lol there are many factors your ignoring.
Also you never know about line picks, will they be good or not.

I dont care what they do, but RB is the smart pick for helping this season.

Exactly. Great points, DD.

 

[CATCH17]

Pollard can lead the league in rushing
Drafting a RB with your 1st pick is a waste of a pick, didn't we just learn this.

Linehans offense and creative play calling with Dak and Zeke got us to the Playoffs.
That whole sentence made me throw up in my mouth a bit.

Yes but we are picking 26th and not 5th.

I’m down to pick Gibbs depending on how the board falls.

If Dallas moves up for Bijon it’s a pure business move and not so much a football move.

I guess Philly not getting him would be huge too.

 

[DuncanIso]

Ah yes, grab another RB that will burn out in 2 years and then overpay them because we want to recreate the 90s. Some of you would be just as bad as Jerry and Stephen.

A good O or D lineman is more valuable than a great RB in this league.

Gotta have an elite RB.

We got scrubs right now.