CFZ The case for a RB high in the draft

[baltcowboy]

For as bad as
People say the Zeke deal was…they were able to get from under it rather quick….

Not really. Zeke was done two years ago. Zeke should have just played out the 5 year deal. The problem with picking Robinson is any team that draft him will have to give him an extension after year 3. There is no way a great running back would play year 4 without an extension. Especially a Dallas Cowboy with Jerry’s history.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They made him the highest paid running back of all time - despite having contract control for 2 years when they did it - and have $12 million in dead cap 4 years later.

It was a bad contract - the Cowboys caved. Not sure why anyone feels the need to try to spin it otherwise.

It’s not about spinning it it’s just the way people talk about it you’d think it handcuffed us and it hasn’t. These contracts never do.

Eagles got from under Wentz with no problem. I’m not sure why people are so afraid of contracts or giving Diggs a deal. You can always get from under them. They aren’t worth the paper they are signed. That’s not spin that’s just what I’ve observed.

 

[CouchCoach]

Not really. Zeke was done two years ago. Zeke should have just played out the 5 year deal. The problem with picking Robinson is any team that draft him will have to give him an extension after year 3. There is no way a great running back would play year 4 without an extension. Especially a Dallas Cowboy with Jerry’s history.

Agree, what they did with Murray in 2014 is still fresh on the memories of agents and RB's and the main reason Elliott held out.

What I do not agree with is people blaming him. None of these guys are the decision makers on their own contacts.

Many blame Prescott or Elliott but the blame lies with management.

And the real crux of this is they blame the player for cap strain, every other team deals with hefty contracts and they do not openly blame a player for their mishandling of the cap.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Zeke was good I think he had a fair amount of miles on him upon arrival. St. Louis track and field state hurdle champ. Played solid football in HS and a 3 sport star. OSU feature back for 2 years and then we ran him into the ground . His running style is not conducive to longevity. Throw in KM and Garrett and then you have a back whose legs have been worn down.

Hopefully he’ll land somewhere he’ll get an opportunity after the draft

I’m not saying he’s bad. Just not entirely sure if he was a top 4 prospect. I get why Cowboys did it especially with Romo at the time.

 

[CCBoy]

Don't label with an insultingly used...y'all. I'm a Cowboys fan and have been since they were born in 1960. I talk the truth and don't interdict with a dignity losing stereotype that I attempt benefits from. 23 years a Veteran; 17 years Postal; 8 years Security; 1 year in the Sheriff's department as a Nueces County Jail Guard.

I played college football at the Air Force Academy and then Texas A&I.

For your record, I don't taint your image with a label or bias as to only one meaning of accurate...your own. You, used in a discussion is attacking and not supportive of a valid attempt when viewing an after action analysis.

I am also able to admit if I am wrong. I live a simple life, I am honest.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Don't label with an insultingly used...y'all. I'm a Cowboys fan and have been since they were born in 1960. I talk the truth and don't interdict with a dignity losing stereotype that I attempt benefits from. 23 years a Veteran; 17 years Postal; 8 years Security; 1 year in the Sheriff's department as a Nueces County Jail Guard.

I played college football at the Air Force Academy and then Texas A&I.

For your record, I don't taint your image with a label or bias as to only one meaning of accurate...your own. You, used in a discussion is attacking and not supportive of a valid attempt when viewing an after action analysis.

I am also able to admit if I am wrong. I live a simple life, I am honest.

I hope you don't feel I was attacking you in any way brother. I apologize if you feel I said anything to attack you.

 

[CCBoy]

Not really. Zeke was done two years ago. Zeke should have just played out the 5 year deal. The problem with picking Robinson is any team that draft him will have to give him an extension after year 3. There is no way a great running back would play year 4 without an extension. Especially a Dallas Cowboy with Jerry’s history.

This elevating up to two or three NFC Championship Games good enough?

 

[Flamma]

Three teams who might pick a running back:

1. Philadelphia - 10
2. Detroit - 18
3. Chargers - 21

I don't think the Eagles take a RB at 10. With two first round picks, it doesn't make sense for them to take a RB at #10.

They have two options if they want a RB.

A. Bijan at 10
B. OT Skoronski or Jalen Carter at 10, and Gibbs or another good RB with their late pick, wherever that ends up.

I would choose B in a second.

 

[CCBoy]

I don't think the Eagles take a RB at 10. With two first round picks, it doesn't make sense for them to take a RB at #10.

They have two options if they want a RB.

A. Bijan at 10
B. OT Skoronski or Jalen Carter at 10, and Gibbs or another good RB with their late pick, wherever that ends up.

I would choose B in a second.

Sometimes the Eagles do something to thwart the Cowboys. I agree with your analysis.

 

[baltcowboy]

Agree, what they did wioth Murray in 2014 is still fresh on the memories of agents and RB's and the main reason Elliott held out.

What I do not agree with is people blaming him. None of these guys are the decision makers on their own contacts.

Many blame Prescott or Elliott but the blame lies with management.

And the real crux of this is they blame the player for cap strain, every other team deals with hefty contracts and they do not openly blame a player for their mishandling of the cap.

Agreed 100% but management sometimes has to give players big contracts to protect their franchise. Zeke and Dak contracts had to happen because of Zeke’s popularity and the fact that Dak is the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. Nobody wants to admit it but Dak took a bullet for Jerry during the Kapernick fiasco. Players around the league still have issues with the way Dak handled the situation. I don’t know what quarterback (person) could have handled the situation any better. Goes to show that being the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys has more to do then just playing football.

 

[Flamma]

Sometimes the Eagles do something to thwart the Cowboys. I agree with your analysis.

Speaking of, this is what I've said multiple times in the past.

If Bijan makes it anywhere near 26, the Eagles use their 31st to jump out ahead of Dallas. Because the Eagles will have their guy at 10. But I don't think it will come to that. I think the furthest Bijan gets is 21.

 

[baltcowboy]

This elevating up to two or three NFC Championship Games good enough?

I think as fans we want players to be paid by performance on the field, especially those of us who were Cowboys fans during the time period of the 70s thru the late 90s. Marketing wise Zeke eats made the franchise a ton of cash. Business wise he was well worth the contract.

 

[DandyDon52]

I changed my mind lol, I now think Gibbs is the better RB, watched some HL reels, and he is more likely to have success in nfl.

 

[Flamma]

Not really. Zeke was done two years ago. Zeke should have just played out the 5 year deal. The problem with picking Robinson is any team that draft him will have to give him an extension after year 3. There is no way a great running back would play year 4 without an extension. Especially a Dallas Cowboy with Jerry’s history.

They kind of have to play it out now. The rules regarding holdouts have changed. I think because of this, more teams are going to start letting their RBs play out their contracts. Maybe including a tag.

 

[starfan1]

I’m not saying he’s bad. Just not entirely sure if he was a top 4 prospect. I get why Cowboys did it especially with Romo at the time.

Yep that’s exactly why they did it. They saw what they did with Murray and rbbc in 15 and they felt he was the missing piece imo.

That was dumb though as they were missing pieces still on the defensive side and the line was so dominant that any number of backs could have sufficed

Imagine how much better this team could have been has we taken Ramsey and Henry in the second . Hell for that matter the safety from Denver in the 3rd even Simmons what a team we could have had

Oh well what ifs are great too bad Tony took that hit but he was already damaged goods

 

[CCBoy]

I changed my mind lol, I now think Gibbs is the better RB, watched some HL reels, and he is more likely to have success in nfl.

Especially if paired with Pollard in Dallas...

 

[CCBoy]

Yep that’s exactly why they did it. They saw what they did with Murray and rbbc in 15 and they felt he was the missing piece imo.

That was dumb though as they were missing pieces still on the defensive side and the line was so dominant that any number of backs could have sufficed

Imagine how much better this team could have been has we taken Ramsey and Henry in the second . Hell for that matter the safety from Denver in the 3rd even Simmons what a team we could have had

Oh well what ifs are great too bad Tony took that hit but he was already damaged goods

Football!

 

[kskboys]

The Cowboys have never accomplished much running the offense through the QB, they have run it through the RB throughout their history with HOF RB's.

In 2016 and 2014, they ran it through the RB and got homefield. Coincidentally, the RB's made All Pro both seasons.

There are two RB's worthy of 1st round picks and the Cowboys need to land one of them because that is the immediate impact player out of this draft.

This is not a future pick, it is a pick for now because the NFC is there for the taking but they need to have a run control the game offense.

And Pollard is not that RB. Robinson or Gibbs are better backs and that's the easiest transition position next to PK in the league.

I've wavered between OL and DL but can't see them taking a DT in the 1st anyway, just not sexy enough and I considered WR and TE but I have settled on one of these two RB's and run the offense through them. Can't give the QB any better help than that.

Charbonnet may also be in the convo.

 

[Flamma]

Yep that’s exactly why they did it. They saw what they did with Murray and rbbc in 15 and they felt he was the missing piece imo.

That was dumb though as they were missing pieces still on the defensive side and the line was so dominant that any number of backs could have sufficed

Imagine how much better this team could have been has we taken Ramsey and Henry in the second . Hell for that matter the safety from Denver in the 3rd even Simmons what a team we could have had

Oh well what ifs are great too bad Tony took that hit but he was already damaged goods

This is precisely why the Eagles won't take Bijan at 10.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yep that’s exactly why they did it. They saw what they did with Murray and rbbc in 15 and they felt he was the missing piece imo.

That was dumb though as they were missing pieces still on the defensive side and the line was so dominant that any number of backs could have sufficed

Imagine how much better this team could have been has we taken Ramsey and Henry in the second . Hell for that matter the safety from Denver in the 3rd even Simmons what a team we could have had

Oh well what ifs are great too bad Tony took that hit but he was already damaged goods

That was the first problem. Not knowing he was a hit away when his injury history says he was. But I’ll say this…they felt Zeke would help the offense and keep the defense off the field and that’s what it did.

I think had they took Henry he would’ve got ran into the ground as well. Who knows if he would’ve been able to handle it. Was a bad year to have the 4th overall pick. We just miss out on Bosa m. I typically don’t like taking corners that high but surely over RB that high.