The case for going for Lawrence

[Diehardblues]

It's a foolish question. First a Mahomes type and I think you're referring to Lawrence hasn't proven a thing in the NFL. Second Mahomes has already proven himself in the NFL. Third unlike those that think can you just plug in a different QB and that is going to change things I've always said it's a team game and the QB needs the ENTIRE team to be successful. Next yes Mahomes has done well with the chiefs but that by no means he would have the same success with the Cowboys. There is a QB that won a Super Bowl with one team and then later on another team he won another one but there are many that say that 2nd team won that Super Bowl despite the play of the QB. The QB is Peyton Manning and the 2nd team is the broncos and many have said that it wasn't Manning's play that won the Super Bowl. This is why playing the what if this QB is a fools game.
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Unfortunately in the draft you can’t wait until they have proven themselves. Our situation with this ownership is foolish . And why we must think outside the box or the norm.

And no one is saying it would work. We just aren’t sold our dysfunctional organization will get it done with current QB.

We understand all of the normal arguments and agree. But we don’t have a normal situation here.

 

[gjkoeppen]

My point is directed at people, and I wont mention any names @CowboysFaninHouston, who cannot see that a 3 year Dak deal starting in 2021, will seriously effect our CAP, as it's not in a great position (actually awful in 2021/22) and we wont have the flexibility to improve the team, other than through the draft , which will need more than 1 year to bear fruit.

I am responding to those those who just dismiss the CAP situation as being unimportant. Those that give historical justification whilst not appreciating that ALL our big contracts have been given on a long term basis, which for CAP purposes are bonus and backdated heavy (great examples - Lawrence, Cooper , T Smith and Martin).

Its the idea that some have that we signed: Poe, Griffin, Worley, Clinton-Dix and McCrory due to poor evauation of talent .... when in reality it was because that's all we could afford.

Dak signing for 5 years will at least give us a chance to defer CAP allocations allowing us to sign better than the dumpster bargains we got in 2020 FA.

I agree there is some cap considerations but the idea that passing on a known top 5-6 QB and gamble on an unproven QB in the NFL that would cost the Cowboys not only their 1st round pick in next year's draft but probably at least 1 more and possibly another one the following season to get Lawrence. That's a lot of draft picks that won't help the defense or an aging and now often injured LT. Don't think that the money saved is going to make the Cowboys go out and sign several top notch defensive players because that will put them in the same place cap wise but with an unproven QB and absolutely zero guarantees that the Cowboys will be better. Let me ask you a question. How many teams would love to be able to have a top 5-6 QB without having to give up any draft picks to have him?
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[G2]

Here's the problem with those that want to use the cap difficulties as the reason to not sign Prescott. So say Prescott is no longer with the Cowboys and they draft a big name college QB . Now in the next 4 years the Cowboys don't get to or win any Super Bowls and during those 4 years the cost of QB's has risen even higher. Then the same people who now are saying cap difficulties for signing Prescott will be saying the same thing about the next QB, so the cycle continues of drafting QB's every 4 years until the Cowboys luck out and win a Super Bowl. Oh in the mean time Prescott had gone off to another team and won a couple of Super Bowls. Now all of this is just saying what could happen not that it will happen just like those that think the Cowboys if they sign Prescott will automatically not find a way to work around his salary.
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By the way, we tagged him for 31+ million and aren't we like 25 mill under the cap?

 

[gjkoeppen]

Well during the 4 years Jerry just needs to stop drafting and extending shiny offensive players.....the Dead Money we accumulate (eg Romo) certainly doesnt help.

There is no more Romo dead cap money. it ended with the 2018 season.
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[Diehardblues]

I agree there is some cap considerations but the idea that passing on a known top 5-6 QB and gamble on an unproven QB in the NFL that would cost the Cowboys not only their 1st round pick in next year's draft but probably at least 1 more and possibly another one the following season to get Lawrence. That's a lot of draft picks that won't help the defense or an aging and now often injured LT. Don't think that the money saved is going to make the Cowboys go out and sign several top notch defensive players because that will put them in the same place cap wise but with an unproven QB and absolutely zero guarantees that the Cowboys will be better. Let me ask you a question. How many teams would love to be able to have a top 5-6 QB without having to give up any draft picks to have him?
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Most teams would . No doubt. But we aren’t most teams .

We have proven we aren’t capable of building around a top 10 caliber QB. We didn’t with Romo and haven’t with Prescott with our best opportunity under Rookie contract.

So, do we continue status quo or roll the dice hoping to hit the lotto. If this was any other normal franchise I’d probably agree with you.

But the whole premise of this thread and thought is the Dallas Cowboys are anything but a normal franchise.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Again I’ll emphasize we aren’t in a normal situation with our dysfunctional organization. We must think outside the box.

There’s no guarantees in the draft . Trevor could be a bust or he could be the next Mahomes. If he goes to a team that’s more playoff ready he’s more likely to have immediate success. And If I read right what Coach was trying to say.

This isn’t a slam on Dak but a slam on our ownership. We’d like to see what we could do if we had a freakish talent under center.

You can be the biggest Lawrence fan but it doesn't change two facts. First he's proven nothing in the NFL so to keep referring to him as some freakish talent is only pushing what you're hoping he will be. Second it doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks because Jones has said repeatedly that Prescott is his QB.
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[Redball Express]

Disagree. 27 is young.

In football years.

You know..like Dog Years being 1 year equals 7 human.

Or Cat Years bring 1 year equals 5 human?

Now with this ankle fracture..his age and being already 5 years in the league..

he is aging. And not like wine. Last year turned to vinegar so it's not his fault.

It is what it is.

Let's see..in Dog years he is 5 times 7 yrs =35

In Cat Years..he is 5 times 5 yrs =25.

Others will have their own multipliers.

Pappydogs for Dak is measured in decades.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Well on that principle, Dak's been in the NFL for 5 seasons and he's done anything in the NFL (unless you're classing 1 playoff win as doing something).

A balanced argument is that neither has done anything in the NFL, Dak has the experience, but will be paid $40m (though we'll get one extra 1st round draft pick), Lawrence could go either way, but will allow us to improve the team via Free Agency.

If we were NFCC game regulars we wouldnt be having this debate.

There is an argument for both sides.

Here's a couple things that Lawrence has done. Prescott owns an NFL record, not a cowboys record, an NFL record. That record is the fewest picks by a rookie QB that started at least 10 games as a rookie. That number is 4 picks. He and the Cowboys last season had the #1 offense in the NFL. and prior to getting injured he was on pace to not set the NFL record for passing yards but SHATTER that record.
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[Diehardblues]

You can be the biggest Lawrence fan but it doesn't change two facts. First he's proven nothing in the NFL so to keep referring to him as some freakish talent is only pushing what you're hoping he will be. Second it doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks because Jones has said repeatedly that Prescott is his QB.
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We understand .No upcoming draft picks have proven themselves but this is what we do on a fan forum. We speculate and discuss our thoughts.

Im not sure why you are discussing if you’re totally aligned with our ownership?

 

[gjkoeppen]

Unfortunately in the draft you can’t wait until they have proven themselves. Our situation with this ownership is foolish . And why we must think outside the box or the norm.

And no one is saying it would work. We just aren’t sold our dysfunctional organization will get it done with current QB.

We understand all of the normal arguments and agree. But we don’t have a normal situation here.

What's really funny is when people like you say "why we must think outside the box or the norm." like you're a partner and have a say in what the Cowboys do or think that you can think for Jones. Ya we, just when did you become part of the Cowboys management?
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[gjkoeppen]

By the way, we tagged him for 31+ million and aren't we like 25 mill under the cap?

Yes and no. There will be a couple of contracts from released players that will be added to the dead cap money for next year. Also the owners waved the 5% max carryover on the cap because of how everything unfolded this season with that virus so I'm thinking that the surplus on the cap is part of Jones plan to not have Prescott's contract not hit next years cap as hard.
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[Diehardblues]

What's really funny is when people like you say "why we must think outside the box or the norm." like you're a partner and have a say in what the Cowboys do or think that you can think for Jones. Ya we, just when did you become part of the Cowboys management?
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We are fans. This is what we do on a fan forum. Speculate and discuss.

If you just want to follow the status quo, go right ahead .

But most of us are here to discuss our thoughts not just go along with everything our franchise does.

 

[cern]

there is but one hyper hypothetical question worth entertaining imo regarding trevor lawrence. and the odds of this occurring are infinitismally small.. what if, when the cowboys make their first round selection, trevor lawrence, like lambo, is still on the boards. do we take him? i can't imagine any scenario where we wouldn't. just like lambo.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Most teams would . No doubt. But we aren’t most teams .

We have proven we aren’t capable of building around a top 10 caliber QB. We didn’t with Romo and haven’t with Prescott with our best opportunity under Rookie contract.

So, do we continue status quo or roll the dice hoping to hit the lotto. If this was any other normal franchise I’d probably agree with you.

But the whole premise of this thread and thought is the Dallas Cowboys are anything but a normal franchise.

You still think that because everything hasn't gone the way things would be if you were GM that Prescott's career thus far is the reason that the Cowboys haven't won a Super Bowl. The biggest reason is the defense and you can't blame that on Prescott because his 1st 4 years he was on a rookie contract so it didn't stop the Cowboys from getting help on defense.
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[gjkoeppen]

We understand .No upcoming draft picks have proven themselves but this is what we do on a fan forum. We speculate and discuss our thoughts.

Im not sure why you are discussing if you’re totally aligned with our ownership?

I see the ownership shouldn't have anyone speak for them it just a rip the ownership forum. So if a user disagree with your GM methods we can't say so because this forum is just for those that have your same opinions. You're starting to act like one of the political parties.
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[cern]

You still think that because everything hasn't gone the way things would be if you were GM that Prescott's career thus far is the reason that the Cowboys haven't won a Super Bowl. The biggest reason is the defense and you can't blame that on Prescott because his 1st 4 years he was on a rookie contract so it didn't stop the Cowboys from getting help on defense.
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horrible defensive coaches, beginning with monte. garrett's kind of guys.

 

[cern]

In football years.

You know..like Dog Years being 1 year equals 7 human.

Or Cat Years bring 1 year equals 5 human?

Now with this ankle fracture..his age and being already 5 years in the league..

he is aging. And not like wine. Last year turned to vinegar so it's not his fault.

It is what it is.

Let's see..in Dog years he is 5 times 7 yrs =35

In Cat Years..he is 5 times 5 yrs =25.

Others will have their own multipliers.

Pappydogs for Dak is measured in decades.

but once out of the barrel and into the bottle the aging stops. somewhat like a long term deal.

 

[gjkoeppen]

In football years.

You know..like Dog Years being 1 year equals 7 human.

Or Cat Years bring 1 year equals 5 human?

Now with this ankle fracture..his age and being already 5 years in the league..

he is aging. And not like wine. Last year turned to vinegar so it's not his fault.

It is what it is.

Let's see..in Dog years he is 5 times 7 yrs =35

In Cat Years..he is 5 times 5 yrs =25.

Others will have their own multipliers.

Pappydogs for Dak is measured in decades.

You have it backwards. I human year is equal to multiple dog years, not 1 dog year equals multiple human years.
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[Redball Express]

but once out of the barrel and into the bottle the aging stops. somewhat like a long term deal.

 

[Philmonroe]

Here's a couple things that Lawrence has done. Prescott owns an NFL record, not a cowboys record, an NFL record. That record is the fewest picks by a rookie QB that started at least 10 games as a rookie. That number is 4 picks. He and the Cowboys last season had the #1 offense in the NFL. and prior to getting injured he was on pace to not set the NFL record for passing yards but SHATTER that record.
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Look at this Dak groupie touting them meaningless numbers. Old numbers and stats nobody give an expletive about (most ints thrown by a rookie lol) from eons ago in football years and numbers that lead us out of the playoffs. Yeah awesome numbers. This is how you know you’re dealing with a Dak stan and not a Dallas Cowboys fan.