The case for taking Ezekiel Elliot at # 4

[braw]

Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD
339 1925 5.7 15 5 12 2.4 0 344 1937 5.6 15
221 1104 5.0 14 9 50 5.6 0 230 1154 5.0 14
188 1012 5.4 12 10 136 13.6 1 198 1148 5.8 13
748 4041 5.4 41 24 198 8.3 1 772 4239 5.5 42 Career Totals

Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD
30 262 8.7 2 3 23 7.7 1 33 285 8.6 3
273 1878 6.9 18 28 220 7.9 0 301 2098 7.0 18
289 1821 6.3 23 27 206 7.6 0 316 2027 6.4 23
592 3961 6.7 43 58 449 7.7 1 650 4410 6.8 44 career totals

Which totals are Zeke's and which are Adrian Peterson?

 

[Redball Express]

The money that was going to be spent on Murray was up to $7M (maybe, depending on who you believe) AVERAGE a year, though, not guaranteed for four years with a fifth year option.

He was never going to get $24M-$28M guaranteed and still didn't even when he went to Philly. That's what I think people are missing - they see the $24M rookie cap number for the #4 pick and think "oh, $6M a year, Dallas will pay that for a running back" -- yes, for a total value contract. I don't see us giving $24M guaranteed to any running back not named Emmitt Smith.

I see your point..

I still say the money is far less relavent than winning a title or not being in contention.

Without a dominant RB this team will not succeed.

And both DMac and Morris are not those guys..

IMO.

And we don't have time to take another wasted year playing the RBC thing.

Running By Committee has never worked for us.

Not since Duane Thomas or Hershel Walker and Tony Dorsett or MB3 and Felix Jones.

And here we go again trying to ram it down the team's throat.

We are just completely lost if we again are going to ignore the strength of the team and not pursue a top RB.

This will be 3 years in a row where we clearly know we need a top RB and do not go get one.

When we knew Murray was in his last year..we didn't draft a RB because we were convinced Randle could take over.

We then realized we had to have somebody else and took DMac but frankly, nobody else wanted him.

And while Randle failed and DMac held his own..

he did not dominate.

We need a cowbell at RB right now not more hopes and prayers.

Eliott would be the choice to me. I also like Henry from Alabama..but they will not take him at 4.

Maybe with their second round pick..but at 4.

We'll see but I have my doubts this team has a clue.

 

[Miller]

Name the winners. Not hard

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9200515Cadillac WilliamsRB23TAM20052011004268158105540382114810024AuburnCollege Stats

 

[erod]

Trade down to 7, pick up a second rounder, and then grab Elliott.

But they won't do it at 4.

 

[Common Sense]

I've said the team won't draft Elliot at #4 based on their lack of interest in Lamar Miller (who was less expensive and wouldn't require a top 5 draft pick), but it's possible that they see / know something about Miller that we don't. If that's the case, then Elliot could be in play there. Pure runners may be a dime a dozen, but a special back is one who can protect your quarterback and serve as a threat in the passing game. That's the kind of back you can draft early and give a second contract to.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Well at the top of my head:
1. Fournette
2. Cook
3. Mcaffery
4. Chubb ( injury concern)
5. Gallman

No doubt and there are more. Next year is sic @ RB, like DL depth this year never before seen in the NFL, next years RB depth is simply extraordinary.

Alfred Morris was a smoke signal and there was already smoke coming from Zeke, out of a Rave in Nebraska.

 

[calvin]

I've said the team won't draft Elliot at #4 based on their lack of interest in Lamar Miller (who was less expensive and wouldn't require a top 5 draft pick), but it's possible that they see / know something about Miller that we don't. If that's the case, then Elliot could be in play there. Pure runners may be a dime a dozen, but a special back is one who can protect your quarterback and serve as a threat in the passing game. That's the kind of back you can draft early and give a second contract to.

Personally, if I were Dallas' GM and I had the 4th selection with Bosa, Ramsey, and Tunsil on the board. I'd go Ramsey at 4 and come back with Derrick Henry at the top of the 2nd round.

I go with the opinion that you can find quality RBs down the board but you're not going to find a similar talent to Jalen Ramsey outside of the top 7.

Plus you also have a returning 1k yard rusher and you added A. Morris to the mix. Given that I doubt that Dallas' FO needs the need to select another RB inside of the top 7, and tie themselves to his salary on top of what you're paying Morris and McFadden, when you have pressing needs elsewhere.

 

[Common Sense]

Personally, if I were Dallas' GM and I had the 4th selection with Bosa, Ramsey, and Tunsil on the board. I'd go Ramsey at 4 and come back with Derrick Henry at the top of the 2nd round.

I go with the opinion that you can find quality RBs down the board but you're not going to find a similar talent to Jalen Ramsey outside of the top 7.

I get that thinking. He'd be a solid pick at #4, but the lack of turnovers is troubling any way you try to rationalize it. He may just end up being the Brandon Carr version of Richard Sherman. I'm using that comparison loosely, but I think you'll get what I mean.

He would definitely allow the team to move towards the single-high press-man/zone scheme they've been envisioning to handle bigger receivers. I can see how Eberflus could be chomping at the bit to use Jones and Ramsey basically interchangeably. That gives you some really cool matchup and coverage options that could confuse the hell out of opposing offenses.

 

[ConstantReboot]

It's probably going to be a QB. But the brass just might pull the trigger on EE at four. We have a really good O-line. Why not make it great up front with an elite running back? All I'm saying is, just don't completely rule it out.

We don't need a good running back. Any scrub can run behind this oline. So why waste a #4 in turning our run game into something unstoppable?

Doing so would be too logical for the FO to figure out.

 

[Hoofbite]

Trade down to 7, pick up a second rounder, and then grab Elliott.

But they won't do it at 4.

I think the breaking point is much further beyond 7.

How do you even begin to set such stringent cut offs? Not worth 4 but is worth 7. What about 6 or 5? Just seems unnecessary and overthinking it all too much.

 

[iceberg]

Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD
339 1925 5.7 15 5 12 2.4 0 344 1937 5.6 15
221 1104 5.0 14 9 50 5.6 0 230 1154 5.0 14
188 1012 5.4 12 10 136 13.6 1 198 1148 5.8 13
748 4041 5.4 41 24 198 8.3 1 772 4239 5.5 42 Career Totals

Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD
30 262 8.7 2 3 23 7.7 1 33 285 8.6 3
273 1878 6.9 18 28 220 7.9 0 301 2098 7.0 18
289 1821 6.3 23 27 206 7.6 0 316 2027 6.4 23
592 3961 6.7 43 58 449 7.7 1 650 4410 6.8 44 career totals

Which totals are Zeke's and which are Adrian Peterson?

never was much of a fan of HEY LETS COMPARE COLLEGE NUMBERS TO AN ALL TIME PRO!!!!

too many ways that story can go and too many abject failures of RB's with great college #'s who didn't do jack squat in the NFL.

we have zero use for an RB in the 1st round.

things that have a better shot of happening than the cowboys taking a RB at #4...
i get to live my life long dream of being a substitute dancer at chip-n-dales
reality putting the political forum back
brainpaint shaving
vanilla ice in the rap hall of fame, right after KISS
world peace
square tires setting land speed records on a yugo
this whole "bathroom catastrophe" is resolved to everyone's satisfaction and comfort.

feel free to add your own. this has got to be more entertaining than those pimping RB at 4.

 

[Chuck 54]

I think fans are going to be shocked at just how far the top RB drops.

Even back in 2004, with these measurables (6'2" 231; 4.45 forty; 37.5" verical; 9'10" broad; 16 bench reps; 28 Wonderlic), an all-purpose back who ended up rushing for over 11,000 yards on a crappy team with no passing game, he wasn't drafted until #24.

Elliott can only hope (at this time) to have a career like Jackson. No one in the NFL would take him at #4.

 

[baltcowboy]

I would be OK with Elliot because he would make are offense elite. Are offense is slow as molasses. Written is getting older and slower. Dez is not fast. Are running backs and receivers are slow. Now as I think about it he would be in my top 3 players to draft.

 

[Sydla]

I see your point..

I still say the money is far less relavent than winning a title or not being in contention.

Without a dominant RB this team will not succeed.

And both DMac and Morris are not those guys..

IMO.

And we don't have time to take another wasted year playing the RBC thing.

Running By Committee has never worked for us.

Not since Duane Thomas or Hershel Walker and Tony Dorsett or MB3 and Felix Jones.

And here we go again trying to ram it down the team's throat.

We are just completely lost if we again are going to ignore the strength of the team and not pursue a top RB.

This will be 3 years in a row where we clearly know we need a top RB and do not go get one.

When we knew Murray was in his last year..we didn't draft a RB because we were convinced Randle could take over.

We then realized we had to have somebody else and took DMac but frankly, nobody else wanted him.

And while Randle failed and DMac held his own..

he did not dominate.

We need a cowbell at RB right now not more hopes and prayers.

Eliott would be the choice to me. I also like Henry from Alabama..but they will not take him at 4.

Maybe with their second round pick..but at 4.

We'll see but I have my doubts this team has a clue.

You can say whatever you want about money but the Cowboys have been pretty clear about how they value the TB position in terms of the dollars they will throw at the position.

People need to stop with this silly, "we've never won a SB without a bellcow TB" nonsense because people can sit there and say things like "we've never won a SB without a very good to great defense" and then use that to justify not taking Elliott and instead going defense at 4.

The fact people expected any TB to dominate last year with the crap we had at QB and not having a fully healthy Bryant is bizarre to me.

With this OL, the Cowboys have given themselves the luxury of not having to invest top assets in TBs to put a solid to great running game out on the field. How do I know that? Because in 2014, they turned a THIRD ROUND TB into the player of the year in the NFL.

If they take Elliott at 4, he might be a very nice player for us, but it will be a waste of a pick IMO in terms of value and in terms of trying to put forth a complete team that can actually make a run at a SB.

 

[iceberg]

You can say whatever you want about money but the Cowboys have been pretty clear about how they value the TB position in terms of the dollars they will throw at the position.

People need to stop with this silly, "we've never won a SB without a bellcow TB" nonsense because people can sit there and say things like "we've never won a SB without a very good to great defense" and then use that to justify not taking Elliott and instead going defense at 4.

The fact people expected any TB to dominate last year with the crap we had at QB and not having a fully healthy Bryant is bizarre to me.

With this OL, the Cowboys have given themselves the luxury of not having to invest top assets in TBs to put a solid to great running game out on the field. How do I know that? Because in 2014, they turned a THIRD ROUND TB into the player of the year in the NFL.

If they take Elliott at 4, he might be a very nice player for us, but it will be a waste of a pick IMO in terms of value and in terms of trying to put forth a complete team that can actually make a run at a SB.

people need to get over using todays catch phrases like "bellcow".

 

[TheCount]

12015110Todd GurleyRB21STL2015201501181312229110610211880GeorgiaCollege Stats
2201213Trent RichardsonRB22CLE201220140031746376142032171139122AlabamaCollege Stats
3201019C.J. SpillerRB23BUF2010201501334833870434331219214348ClemsonCollege Stats
4200814Darren McFaddenRB21OAK20082015004399973127753362825120975ArkansasCollege Stats
5200717Adrian PetersonRB22MIN20072015478881201132381116759723819375OklahomaCollege Stats
6200612Reggie BushRB21NOR2006201500860121961274549335470350818USCCollege Stats
7200512Ronnie BrownRB23MIA200520140154113274128153913824619662AuburnCollege Stats
8200514Cedric BensonRB22CHI2005201200534967116006017321208331TexasCollege Stats
9200515Cadillac WilliamsRB23TAM20052011004268158105540382114810024AuburnCollege Stats

That is not a compelling list. If you take the outliers out (Peterson for being a god, Richardson for being a mega bust, Gurley has one season) you're left with a bunch of guys that probably performed similarly to guys taken much later.

 

[JohnsKey19]

D.Brugler was on CBS-Sports radio early this morning saying Garrett and Linehan are making a strong push to draft Elliot. This was on Amy Lawrence's show this morning. Sorry, no link. I heard it on my way to work.

 

[Sydla]

D.Brugler was on CBS-Sports radio early this morning saying Garrett and Linehan are making a strong push to draft Elliot. This was on Amy Lawrence's show this morning. Sorry, no link. I heard it on my way to work.

Don't let those two make any decisions.

 

[Stash]

D.Brugler was on CBS-Sports radio early this morning saying Garrett and Linehan are making a strong push to draft Elliot. This was on Amy Lawrence's show this morning. Sorry, no link. I heard it on my way to work.

I'd tell them both to shut up and be thankful they still have jobs.

 

[DBOY3141]

I'd tell them both to shut up and be thankful they still have jobs.

So I guess if that doesn't happen, we can expect to see on the draft cam, Garrett sulking in the corner while being comforted by Charlotte??