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[SteveTheCowboy]

You're flat out lying for Dak by crediting him for back to back 12 win seasons when he was in street clothes for 6 games.

If he's not a loser then what's he won? What's in his trophy case? Educate me.

He's a loser in the interception department.

Even the defenses can't catch it or needs two chances to.

(No..I'm not a hater...just specifically talking about some bad plays!....JEEZE PEOPLE! )

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

He doesn’t generally fare as well against the top defenses . Like most average to above average QB’s.

I use average to above average because it varies. But it’s a category I’d place probably half of NFL QB’s in. Who on the most part run up their stats and wins against average to below average teams. That’s the nature of the league.

If it varies then you need to use "below average". We did not see cooper throw those bad passes. I mean they weren't terribly pretty either!

That's all I'm saying...his good is GOOD! His bad is,,,is bad. It is so frustrating.

 

[BobSacamano]

Nope. I disagree.

What good QB coaching has Dak received the last 3-4 years? Seriously. Plus, those saying that Dak is too old to learn and how he has reached his maximum are delusional. Dak is currently in his prime. QBs nowadays play well into their late 30s. Dak is 29. Dak can definitely learn more and improve on his game with better coaching and training.

I think you’re missing the gist of the article you posted. Dak is not really struggling with the mental aspect besides a few lapses possessed by every QB.

The team just around him hasn’t meshed with his ascendency as a polished passer. It seems that the talent around him during his career has gone down while his ability to process has gone up.

 

[BobSacamano]

He's a loser in the interception department.

Even the defenses can't catch it or needs two chances to.

(No..I'm not a hater...just specifically talking about some bad plays!....JEEZE PEOPLE! )

Brett Farve is a loser in the INT department as well.

 

[Diehardblues]

Once again...why do you have to go with the "above average". "above average: qb's do have head scratchers...for example Mahommes snap fumble, was pretty funny. But that doesn't define him. His highs are VERY high and lows are not very low. Even Cooper Rush...his highs aren't all that high...and his lows aren't all that low.

Daks best and worst.....SO much green in between. Good....ABOVE AVERAGE. His bad....WAY below. It is so frustrating and it's part of the problem when fans talk about it.

I was just going to add so I didn’t make one post so long that it’s often difficult for all fans to detach their emotions after a disappointing loss. Or at least takes some time to take a step back.

My question is based on our teams and Daks history why would we have expected to beat SF. Everyone was picking them last year and this year.

They simply aren’t a good matchup for us. Their top defense stuffs our run which usually stifles Dak. And our poor rushing defense is exposed with their strong running game. Honestly I was surprised we stayed close as poorly as we played.

 

[DandyDon52]

I agree almost entirely. But take the stats and shove them sideways. I'm sick of hearing about stats that amount to nothing.

Here's the money quote. From the article.


Dak is good enough, the Cowboys are never good enough. If we had Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers, yeah, you can be conservative in the offseason. But we don't have a first ballot hall of famer at QB. Dallas has to support their quarterback similar to how the Eagles and Dolphins support theirs. Two QBs that aren't all that. But the GMs recognized what they needed to be successful. Had Tua not had injury problems, that Dolphins team would have been dangerous. And Tua isn't all that good.

Jerry needs to wake the frick up and see what other teams are doing to have success with less than elite, but good quarterbacks. Stop putting all of the blame in the QB. For those not old enough, I heard this exact crap about John Elway back in the 80s. He can't win the big one. Some of the old timers in here can confirm. John Elway had zero chance in those super bowls. Jesus Christ could have been quarterback and unless he used some of his miracles, he wasn't winning with Denver either.

elway got to champ games and SB's , so not the best comparison.
dallas hasnt won a div round game since the ninetys and aikman lol.
dak has played poorly in all the div round games he has been in.

problem is jerry sees him as a great qb, he just needs to change oc, qb coach and let mike call plays, and yes give dak a raise in pay lol,
that will patch the problem.

 

[Diehardblues]

If it varies then you need to use "below average". We did not see cooper throw those bad passes. I mean they weren't terribly pretty either!

That's all I'm saying...his good is GOOD! His bad is,,,is bad. It is so frustrating.

And I think that’s the key element . It is frustrating if you are expecting him to perform as well against the better defenses and teams than the average to bottom tier teams and defenses.

There’s a reason he looked great against Tampa and not SF.

 

[Flamma]

Dak has had a 20% cap hit exactly 1 time.
It was when the team botched his contract negotiations and franchised him.

He "could" have a 20% cap hit next year. But almost certainly will not.

I'm well aware of that. For his entire career has has never been a cap hog except for that 1 year. Yet the Cowboys still can't compete with the best teams. Dallas needs to do more than just build through the draft.

 

[NFCBeasts]

I couldn’t agree more. An educated football guy that backs his point up with facts and statistics.

All in good fun my man !

 

[Flamma]

Understood, but Aaron Rodgers didn't do so well this season with a lack of receivers around him. Rodgers showed he needs weapons as well.

Every quarterback does to some extent. Kansas City probably won't restructure any of Mahomes years. They'll expect him to make up for it. We can't do that in Dallas.

 

[Flamma]

elway got to champ games and SB's , so not the best comparison.
dallas hasnt won a div round game since the ninetys and aikman lol.
dak has played poorly in all the div round games he has been in.

problem is jerry sees him as a great qb, he just needs to change oc, qb coach and let mike call plays, and yes give dak a raise in pay lol,
that will patch the problem.

The point I was trying to make is that in most cases the better teams wins. Quarterbacks, even the really good ones, can't make up for a wide enough gap in team talent. I didn't think we were beating the Rams or the 49ers the last two times before Dak threw his first pass.

I used Elway as an example because even though he is much better than Phil Simms and Doug Williams, they never stood a chance at winning those games. More recently Aaron Rodgers in the 2019 NFC Championship game. No quarterback can bridge that gap.

 

[Verdict]

I have been told on this forum numerous times that Dak's contract is not prohibitive comparable to other QB's. Team has plenty of cap room to build a good roster around him. And it will seem like a deal once the TV money and the cap goes up.

The Chiefs made the bold move of trading Tyreek Hill for a kings ransom and saved the massive contract that it would have taken to keep Hill. It would be the equivalent of trading CeeDee Lamb.

 

[khiladi]

It would be nice if that were actually true.

But here are getting ready to head to Dak's 8th year and he's been nothing but rewarded for being a loser.

This dude somehow went from Quincy Carter records of futility in Dallas to the most over/rated player possibly in history overnight for accomplishing absolutely nothing…. It’s bizarre

 

[America's Cowboy]

elway got to champ games and SB's , so not the best comparison.
dallas hasnt won a div round game since the ninetys and aikman lol.
dak has played poorly in all the div round games he has been in.

problem is jerry sees him as a great qb, he just needs to change oc, qb coach and let mike call plays, and yes give dak a raise in pay lol,
that will patch the problem.

(In bold ) ^^^

Not true, DD. Dak was lights out his rookie year in the divisional round of the 2016 playoffs against Aaron Rodgers and the Packers.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/400927749

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

And I think that’s the key element . It is frustrating if you are expecting him to perform as well against the better defenses and teams than the average to bottom tier teams and defenses.

There’s a reason he looked great against Tampa and not SF.

I guess I am just confused by your rating. "average to above average"...except against good teams?

I mean...what the heck?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

(In bold ) ^^^

Not true, DD. Dak was lights out his rookie year in the divisional round of the 2016 playoffs against Aaron Rodgers and the Packers.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/400927749

Going back seven years to prove yourself right

That's a good call on your part.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Every quarterback does to some extent. Kansas City probably won't restructure any of Mahomes years. They'll expect him to make up for it. We can't do that in Dallas.

They don;t "expect him to make up for it" .

he DOES.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Brett Farve is a loser in the INT department as well.

Oh...burn!

 

[America's Cowboy]

Going back seven years to prove yourself right

That's a good call on your part.

"Let's be civil. No need to throw insults."

Lying hypocrite!

 

[NumOneQB]

He’ll continue to get Cousins comparisons if he can’t lead the team to a NFC title game appearance. It’s not rocket science. Regular season stats don’t mean a whole helluva lot in a league where rules are tailored for offensive output. His recent crappy playoff performance will continue to define his career until he shows otherwise. He can have 10 game win streaks and throw for 5k yards but everyone will just say remember what he did against SF?