The Cowboys retained rights to Ryan Williams?

[jobberone]

Wrong. He was waived injured. Players who are waived injured and not claimed automatically revert to IR. We did not claim him and put him on IR.

Perhaos you should avail yourself of the rules.

You're right. I misspoke. As I said earlier in the thread he reverted to IR. However, that was not the topic but whether he could be released again this year. He clearly cannot. And it is not a simple case of inaction.

Here is the rule:

“Prior to the first cutdown date, injured players with less than 4 years of service cannot go onto IR until they pass through waivers. Those players are released with the “waived/injured” designation. Known as “injury waivers”, this process exposes the player to waivers, but warns other teams that the player is injured. If the player clears injury waivers, the team can then either place the player on IR or agree to an injury settlement (paying the player for the weeks that he is expected to be recovering from his injury) and then release the player.”

Since he was not given an injury settlement then he is on IR for the rest of the year. So there is a conscious decision on whether to keep the player or not.

You can have the final word.

 

[AbeBeta]

You're right. I misspoke. As I said earlier in the thread he reverted to IR. However, that was not the topic but whether he could be released again this year. He clearly cannot. And it is not a simple case of inaction.

Here is the rule:

“Prior to the first cutdown date, injured players with less than 4 years of service cannot go onto IR until they pass through waivers. Those players are released with the “waived/injured” designation. Known as “injury waivers”, this process exposes the player to waivers, but warns other teams that the player is injured. If the player clears injury waivers, the team can then either place the player on IR or agree to an injury settlement (paying the player for the weeks that he is expected to be recovering from his injury) and then release the player.”

Since he was not given an injury settlement then he is on IR for the rest of the year. So there is a conscious decision on whether to keep the player or not.

You can have the final word.

And here's an agent's summary of the inner workings. http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/236279-negotiating-an-injury-settlement-by-jack-bechta

The team actually can release him. The agent might file a grievance but if it is clear he should be healed, they aren't going to win it.

 

[Fletch]

Oh cool, this prolongs the "He'll be our starter and become a 1,000 yard rusher this year" talk. Great.

 

[Nightman]

And here's an agent's summary of the inner workings. http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/236279-negotiating-an-injury-settlement-by-jack-bechta

The team actually can release him. The agent might file a grievance but if it is clear he should be healed, they aren't going to win it.

And if he is released he can STILL sign back with DAL after 6 weeks.

 

[jobberone]

The rumor is that they are waiting for Ryan Williams to get fully healthy, then they will trade him and Ron Leary for Adrian Peterson.

That's why we are keeping his rights, we have big plans for that guy.

Never saw you as a trouble maker!

 

[AbeBeta]

And if he is released he can STILL sign back with DAL after 6 weeks.

Pretty sure we are done with him. Had we wanted the option of getting him later, PUP was available.

 

[jobberone]

And if he is released he can STILL sign back with DAL after 6 weeks.

I'm not aware he was placed on the designated for return IR. Why would they expose him to waivers then put him on the designated to return IR which is a once a year designation for the team not a player?

If you have some information he was designated then share it with us. I'd like to know.

 

[Nightman]

Pretty sure we are done with him. Had we wanted the option of getting him later, PUP was available.

Right, just saying it is possible from what I read. Kind of a loophole if you ask me.

 

[Nightman]

I'm not aware he was placed on the designated for return IR. Why would they expose him to waivers then put him on the designated to return IR which is a once a year designation for the team not a player?

If you have some information he was designated then share it with us. I'd like to know.

I read that once he was released from the IR because he was healthy he could sign with another team.

But if no one signed him, he could re-sign with DAL after another 6 weeks.

Not the PUP or the IR designated for return.

 

[jobberone]

Players who are placed on the preseason PUP can not have practiced. So he was not a candidate for the preseason PUP. If they are placed on the preseason PUP (assuming a player qualifies) they can be returned to the active roster at any time.

Players who go thru the preseason on the preseason PUP can go on the season PUP but cannot be activated for six weeks.

Players who are waived injured can be picked up by another team who must pay that player under his old contract. If the player clears waivers then he reverts to the waiving teams IR. This is for nonvested players only. Vested vets become UFAs. If the waiving team wants to keep the player then may place the player on permanent IR for the rest of the calendar year. They cannot return to the team that year. If the waiving team desires it can reach an injury settlement and becomes an UFA. That player can resign with his old team at some point depending on the settlement.

Here he was placed on IR and not given an injury settlement. Unless that's not true then he cannot sign with another club nor can he play this year.

I responded to you @bkight13 but this is my final post on this matter. The rules are what they are and they are not vague. The only possible problem is he was given an injury settlement we're not aware of which means it is possible however unlikely he could resign here this year.

 

[jobberone]

I read that once he was released from the IR because he was healthy he could sign with another team.

But if no one signed him, he could re-sign with DAL after another 6 weeks.

Not the PUP or the IR designated for return.

See below. If given an injury settlement he can resign after the designated weeks of pay are met. Sry I missed this one so I responded.

 

[Nightman]

Players who are placed on the preseason PUP can not have practiced. So he was not a candidate for the preseason PUP. If they are placed on the preseason PUP (assuming a player qualifies) they can be returned to the active roster at any time.

Players who go thru the preseason on the preseason PUP can go on the season PUP but cannot be activated for six weeks.

Players who are waived injured can be picked up by another team who must pay that player under his old contract. If the player clears waivers then he reverts to the waiving teams IR. This is for nonvested players only. Vested vets become UFAs. If the waiving team wants to keep the player then may place the player on permanent IR for the rest of the calendar year. They cannot return to the team that year. If the waiving team desires it can reach an injury settlement and becomes an UFA. That player can resign with his old team at some point depending on the settlement.

Here he was placed on IR and not given an injury settlement. Unless that's not true then he cannot sign with another club nor can he play this year.

I responded to you @bkight13 but this is my final post on this matter. The rules are what they are and they are not vague. The only possible problem is he was given an injury settlement we're not aware of which means it is possible however unlikely he could resign here this year.

If you think the rules are clear then good for you.

We are simply trying to resolve RWilliams' status. No need to get upset.

It looks like if he received an IR settlement he is a FA and can sign with DAL after the length of the settlement PLUS 6 weeks.

If he refused or wasn't offered a settlement, he remains on the team's IR and with the team to rehab on a week to week basis until he is deemed healthy. He can then be released but he can't play for DAL this year.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/what-is-an-injury-settlement/

 

[jobberone]

If you think the rules are clear then good for you.

We are simply trying to resolve RWilliams' status. No need to get upset.

It looks like if he received an IR settlement he is a FA and can sign with DAL after the length of the settlement PLUS 6 weeks.

If he refused or wasn't offered a settlement, he remains on the team's IR and with the team to rehab on a week to week basis until he is deemed healthy. He can then be released but he can't play for DAL this year.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/what-is-an-injury-settlement/

Not upset or even annoyed with you. The statement the rules are what they are is just that...a statement.
He is on IR unless he accepts an injury settlement. The terms of the settlement are like any settlement except it has to clear the league office. The team and agent/player can't collude to take a moderate tear of the MCL ( or grade II) and agree to three weeks. It has to be reasonable. The player can refuse a payment settlement but it is not often done as it gets testy for both sides. And there is no additional time added like 6 weeks to the agreed upon settlement.

If they agree on seven weeks then he can sign with any team after that period including the waiving team because it is treated as any injury settlement just they are accepting treatment with the team as well as pay. The agent can look for a team that will accept the player and take a injury settlement then become an UFA.

It appears he did not take an injury settlement so he is on permanent IR. If he took a settlement by remaining with the club for treatment and pay then he can sign with anyone afterwards. That's unlikely as teams are generally anxious to move on and the player is often looking for a better fit with another team and it is often best to move on right away esp considering the player needs enough time with the new club to learn the system and fit in.

 

[AbeBeta]

Not upset or even annoyed with you. The statement the rules are what they are is just that...a statement.
He is on IR unless he accepts an injury settlement. The terms of the settlement are like any settlement except it has to clear the league office. The team and agent/player can't collude to take a moderate tear of the MCL ( or grade II) and agree to three weeks. It has to be reasonable. The player can refuse a payment settlement but it is not often done as it gets testy for both sides. And there is no additional time added like 6 weeks to the agreed upon settlement.

If they agree on seven weeks then he can sign with any team after that period including the waiving team because it is treated as any injury settlement just they are accepting treatment with the team as well as pay. The agent can look for a team that will accept the player and take a injury settlement then become an UFA.

It appears he did not take an injury settlement so he is on permanent IR. If he took a settlement by remaining with the club for treatment and pay then he can sign with anyone afterwards. That's unlikely as teams are generally anxious to move on and the player is often looking for a better fit with another team and it is often best to move on right away esp considering the player needs enough time with the new club to learn the system and fit in.

No he is on IR unless he accepts a settlement or we release him from IR.

He had surgery, what? 4 weeks ago? No way we'd lose a grievance for claiming he'd had enough time to recover come 53 man cutdown day in Sept. That'd put us at close to 10 weeks. Hard to argue that his surgery - something players sometimes come back from in less than a month needs more time.

So despite your claims, he's not on IR unless he agrees to settle - put your logic hat on. Why would anyone ever injury settle if you they could simply refuse and get the entire year's salary?

 

[guag]

Insurance policy for what? I think they just like him, as you said, but I don't think they are saving him in case of emergency.

Saving someone like Ryan Williams as an "insurance policy" would make as much sense as coaxing Matt Johnson out of retirement in order to add stability to the safety position.

 

[mattjames2010]

It's okay guys, he showed "heart" in one of his interviews. Bad knees? Who cares. Shaky confidence? Doesn't matter. He's got the rah-rah and some production in college.

Our RB situation is fine.

 

[BigStar]

Pretty sure we are done with him. Had we wanted the option of getting him later, PUP was available.

You made this discrepancy 4 pages Yay Anything related to how it helps the team, makes them use picks, etc.? Naw, just you misquoted, etc.

 

[AbeBeta]

You made this discrepancy 4 pages Yay Anything related to how it helps the team, makes them use picks, etc.? Naw, just you misquoted, etc.

Wth? The "discrepancy" was one in which several posters saw our retaining his rights as some sort of purposeful act indicating we were somehow stashing Williams for the year. Untrue - him reverting to IR is what happens any time a player is waived injured.

Additionally, much was made about how he's now on IR for the year and we have to pay him. Not true. We can either outright release him from the IR when we believe he is healthy or injury settle him. Neither of these will happen until we approach Sept as settlements involve game checks. More likely we determine he's had long enough to heal and just send him packing.

If you want to complain about someone drawing out this thread, perhaps look to those who puffed up and proclaimed that I should read the rules. Had they actually understood the rules, this thread would have been shorter

 

[AbeBeta]

Players who are placed on the preseason PUP can not have practiced. So he was not a candidate for the preseason PUP. If they are placed on the preseason PUP (assuming a player qualifies) they can be returned to the active roster at any time.

Players who go thru the preseason on the preseason PUP can go on the season PUP but cannot be activated for six weeks.

Players who are waived injured can be picked up by another team who must pay that player under his old contract. If the player clears waivers then he reverts to the waiving teams IR. This is for nonvested players only. Vested vets become UFAs. If the waiving team wants to keep the player then may place the player on permanent IR for the rest of the calendar year. They cannot return to the team that year. If the waiving team desires it can reach an injury settlement and becomes an UFA. That player can resign with his old team at some point depending on the settlement.

Here he was placed on IR and not given an injury settlement. Unless that's not true then he cannot sign with another club nor can he play this year.

I responded to you @bkight13 but this is my final post on this matter. The rules are what they are and they are not vague. The only possible problem is he was given an injury settlement we're not aware of which means it is possible however unlikely he could resign here this year.

You are incorrect about Williams' eligibility for the pre-season PUP.

Players cannot have practiced in training camp. You can PUP a guy who was hurt in a minicamp. That is exactly what we did with McFadden.

Williams was eligible, we just are done with him.

 

[jobberone]

I like the player. He's much faster than his combine 40 of 4.61, he gets to the corner well, can run inside, has pop, gets low and finishes his run. He's apparently a good guy and works well with others. I don't know about his blocking. I think he can be a KOR.

My guess is he stays on IR for the rest of the year and they keep him next year if healthy. With that injury it's hard to say what will happen but the swelling should just be behind the patella or knee cap. While that communicates with the inside of the knee its origin is subpatellar. If the kneecap will stay where its supposed to under stress then they'll be able to see what they have next year.

I don't think they can make that decision this year although that's possible.

And he's under contract for next year for $750K.

He doesn't have to stay on IR though. If the team thinks he's recovered from his major injury then they can waive him non-injured and he does not revert to IR if unclaimed. He's just cut. The cap hit for this year is $705K though.