The Cowboys retained rights to Ryan Williams?

[yimyammer]

He cannot return in 2015.

What do you mean by this? Are you saying if he got healthy enough to play, the Cowboys wouldn't be allowed to play him?

If not, why?

 

[xwalker]

What do you mean by this? Are you saying if he got healthy enough to play, the Cowboys wouldn't be allowed to play him?

The Cowboys can't activate him unless they cut him and wait 6 weeks plus the amount of time equivalent to his injury settlement. Although, he may be healthy by the end of the preseason, players don't get their regular pay until the season starts; therefore, they'll have to pay him for some number of regular season weeks (I think) which would mean 6 weeks plus injury settlement would likely be at least 10 weeks.

If they had any plans for him to return they would have just put him on the PUP to start training camp.

 

[Rockport]

He talked to Nick Hayden about how to stick around even with minimal production

You don't understand football if you believe Hayden isn't valuable.

 

[jobberone]

The Cowboys can't activate him unless they cut him and wait 6 weeks plus the amount of time equivalent to his injury settlement. Although, he may be healthy by the end of the preseason, players don't get their regular pay until the season starts; therefore, they'll have to pay him for some number of regular season weeks (I think) which would mean 6 weeks plus injury settlement would likely be at least 10 weeks.

If they had any plans for him to return they would have just put him on the PUP to start training camp.

To my knowledge his doesn't have an injury settlement; he's just on IR. So he stays on IR unless they reach a settlement for release or he can be released once healthy. I don't know where the extra six weeks comes from but I could be wrong of course. Any released requested by either side must be reasonable

And I agree they could have put him on the preseason PUP prior to camp. I guess they felt he might be able to play this year. Once he practiced even for one play then he was ineligible for either PUP which I know you understand.

 

[rynochop]

If there was a Ring of Honor for players that never took a snap for the team,Ryan Williams would be in it

 

[xwalker]

To my knowledge his doesn't have an injury settlement; he's just on IR. So he stays on IR unless they reach a settlement for release or he can be released once healthy. I don't know where the extra six weeks comes from but I could be wrong of course. Any released requested by either side must be reasonable

And I agree they could have put him on the preseason PUP prior to camp. I guess they felt he might be able to play this year. Once he practiced even for one play then he was ineligible for either PUP which I know you understand.

Once a player receives and injury settlement, he can't return to that team for 6 weeks plus the amount of time equal to how many weeks of pay he received for the settlement. Even if the team keeps him on IR until healthy and then releases him, the 6 weeks still applies. The 6 weeks only applies to the team that cut the player, not to other teams. I think the time equal to the injury settlement applies to all teams.

They released him prior to training camp so he was definitely eligible for the PUP.

If a player is put on IR until healthy or receives and injury settlement during the season, the rules are straight forward. The area where I'm not 100% certain is when the player is put on IR during the preseason. They only get paid some type of stipend during the preseason. The real paychecks don't start until game 1; therefore, holding a player on IR until he is healthy during the preseason would result in the player get paid way less than doing the same thing during the season so I think there has to be some type of injury settlement even if he is actually healthy by the end of the preseason.

Regards of the specifics, if they had any plans for him to possibly play this year, they would have just put him on the PUP.

 

[jobberone]

Once a player receives and injury settlement, he can't return to that team for 6 weeks plus the amount of time equal to how many weeks of pay he received for the settlement. Even if the team keeps him on IR until healthy and then releases him, the 6 weeks still applies. The 6 weeks only applies to the team that cut the player, not to other teams. I think the time equal to the injury settlement applies to all teams.

They released him prior to training camp so he was definitely eligible for the PUP.

If a player is put on IR until healthy or receives and injury settlement during the season, the rules are straight forward. The area where I'm not 100% certain is when the player is put on IR during the preseason. They only get paid some type of stipend during the preseason. The real paychecks don't start until game 1; therefore, holding a player on IR until he is healthy during the preseason would result in the player get paid way less than doing the same thing during the season so I think there has to be some type of injury settlement even if he is actually healthy by the end of the preseason.

Regards of the specifics, if they had any plans for him to possibly play this year, they would have just put him on the PUP.

I don't agree at all about the six weeks rule for the return from IR. I can find that nowhere. He's already been waived injured and not claimed. Therefore he goes to IR.

There is a six weeks rule for the PUP. If a player isn't activated after week six of the season the team has another six week window (day after Week 11) to make a decision to place the player on injured reserve, release the player; or get him back to practice. Once the player returns to practice there is another three-week window to add the player to the 53-man roster or place them on the Injured Reserve list. If the player is still injured then non-vested players must be released injured/waived. But he's already been there. He can only be CUT until/after he's healthy.

I'm not clear either about payment. Williams has $200+K guaranteed and is under contract. He still gets a stipend but you're right about the game checks. This is why players want that guaranteed money. It holds them over from after the season ends to the next paycheck after game one. So I think you're right in that he gets his guaranteed money but nothing else until his next game. I'm thinking there is some pay while rehabbing on IR but I'm too busy to look it up right now so I'm uncertain.

Gotta go for now. Have a great day.

 

[xwalker]

I don't agree at all about the six weeks rule for the return from IR. I can find that nowhere. He's already been waived injured and not claimed. Therefore he goes to IR.

There is a six weeks rule for the PUP. If a player isn't activated after week six of the season the team has another six week window (day after Week 11) to make a decision to place the player on injured reserve, release the player; or get him back to practice. Once the player returns to practice there is another three-week window to add the player to the 53-man roster or place them on the Injured Reserve list. If the player is still injured then non-vested players must be released injured/waived. But he's already been there. He can only be CUT until/after he's healthy.

I'm not clear either about payment. Williams has $200+K guaranteed and is under contract. He still gets a stipend but you're right about the game checks. This is why players want that guaranteed money. It holds them over from after the season ends to the next paycheck after game one. So I think you're right in that he gets his guaranteed money but nothing else until his next game. I'm thinking there is some pay while rehabbing on IR but I'm too busy to look it up right now so I'm uncertain.

Gotta go for now. Have a great day.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/what-is-an-injury-settlement/
Injury settlements can also give a team a chance at getting a player back during that same season. There is a rule in place that the team (agreeing to a settlement) can’t resign that player until a minimum of six weeks passes following the amount of weeks of the initial settlement. So for our MCL example, the team cannot resign that player for the first eleven weeks. For a player who did a three week/3 game settlement, his team can’t sign him back until after week nine. However, the player is free to sign with another team.

 

[BigStar]

Wth? The "discrepancy" was one in which several posters saw our retaining his rights as some sort of purposeful act indicating we were somehow stashing Williams for the year. Untrue - him reverting to IR is what happens any time a player is waived injured.

Additionally, much was made about how he's now on IR for the year and we have to pay him. Not true. We can either outright release him from the IR when we believe he is healthy or injury settle him. Neither of these will happen until we approach Sept as settlements involve game checks. More likely we determine he's had long enough to heal and just send him packing.

If you want to complain about someone drawing out this thread, perhaps look to those who puffed up and proclaimed that I should read the rules. Had they actually understood the rules, this thread would have been shorter

You sir, have a better response than I imagined.

 

[jobberone]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/what-is-an-injury-settlement/
Injury settlements can also give a team a chance at getting a player back during that same season. There is a rule in place that the team (agreeing to a settlement) can’t resign that player until a minimum of six weeks passes following the amount of weeks of the initial settlement. So for our MCL example, the team cannot resign that player for the first eleven weeks. For a player who did a three week/3 game settlement, his team can’t sign him back until after week nine. However, the player is free to sign with another team.

I stand corrected. I guess they put that in there to keep players from being stashed. Is this a newer rule.

 

[dallasdave]

I just read that after he cleared waivers, the Cowboys placed him on IR, retaining his rights.

Has anyone else heard this?

As Stone Cold would say "WHAT" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bluefin]

I don't agree at all about the six weeks rule for the return from IR. I can find that nowhere. He's already been waived injured and not claimed. Therefore he goes to IR.

It isn't a six week rule about returning from Injured Reserve.

If a player is given an injury settlement and let go, his original team can re-sign him at a minimum of 6 weeks after the length of the injury settlement.

Example: If Ryan Williams was given a 4 game injury settlement, Dallas could re-sign him following week ten. In the meantime, Williams would be free to sign a contract with any other NFL team, even before the injury settlement period agreed to with the Cowboys ends (we would be refunded the difference).

Dallas waived/injured LB Justin Anderson on 8/03, he went unclaimed and reverted to the team's IR. They reached an injury settlement with Anderson yesterday and waived him from IR.

We will likely see the same thing with Williams.

His agent and the team simply have to come to an agreement on the length on the injury settlement.

 

[conner01]

Does the injury settlement involve long term medical and rehab expenses?

I believe it's just lost income
I could be wrong

 

[Nightman]

I like the player. He's much faster than his combine 40 of 4.61, he gets to the corner well, can run inside, has pop, gets low and finishes his run. He's apparently a good guy and works well with others. I don't know about his blocking. I think he can be a KOR.

My guess is he stays on IR for the rest of the year and they keep him next year if healthy. With that injury it's hard to say what will happen but the swelling should just be behind the patella or knee cap. While that communicates with the inside of the knee its origin is subpatellar. If the kneecap will stay where its supposed to under stress then they'll be able to see what they have next year.

I don't think they can make that decision this year although that's possible.

And he's under contract for next year for $750K.

He doesn't have to stay on IR though. If the team thinks he's recovered from his major injury then they can waive him non-injured and he does not revert to IR if unclaimed. He's just cut. The cap hit for this year is $705K though.

I don't see them paying him 585k to stay on the IR all year. They will cut him when healthy and that may be Week One.

He may have a split contract because OTC only lists him with a 438k cap hit this year.

 

[Nightman]

It isn't a six week rule about returning from Injured Reserve.

If a player is given an injury settlement and let go, his original team can re-sign him at a minimum of 6 weeks after the length of the injury settlement.

Example: If Ryan Williams was given a 4 game injury settlement, Dallas could re-sign him following week ten. In the meantime, Williams would be free to sign a contract with any other NFL team, even before the injury settlement period agreed to with the Cowboys ends (we would be refunded the difference).

Dallas waived/injured LB Justin Anderson on 8/03, he went unclaimed and reverted to the team's IR. They reached an injury settlement with Anderson yesterday and waived him from IR.

We will likely see the same thing with Williams.

His agent and the team simply have to come to an agreement on the length on the injury settlement.

I read they only have 5 days to reach an injury settlement and that has passed.

 

[Nightman]

I believe it's just lost income
I could be wrong

The injury settlement means he can't work out and rehab with the team anymore, he is in his own as a FA.

It is simply the pay he would have received while injured in a lump sum so they can part ways.

 

[Bluefin]

I read they only have 5 days to reach an injury settlement and that has passed.

I had no idea about that.

So it looks like Ryan Williams will remain on injured reserve until he's healthy enough to pass a physical, at which point he can be waived again.

 

[jobberone]

I don't see them paying him 585k to stay on the IR all year. They will cut him when healthy and that may be Week One.

He may have a split contract because OTC only lists him with a 438k cap hit this year.

I have a 705K cap hit but not enough to see as different IMO. I agree if they don't want to pay him they could cut him. But they cannot just cut him until he is healthy. My guess is they will have enough invested at that time to just keep the investment and see what happens next year. And there is the outside chance he could come back later on if the injury situation dictates.

But who is knowing these things.

 

[xwalker]

I read they only have 5 days to reach an injury settlement and that has passed.

It is the same cost to just pay him while on IR and then release him when healthy. The only difference is a that an injury settlement is a guess as to how long it will take the player to recover.

 

[Bluefin]

He may have a split contract because OTC only lists him with a 438k cap hit this year.

I consider it a given that Ryan Williams was signed with a split contract clause.

It's become pretty standard from the third round onward to have splits in the first couple of seasons in rookie deals.

Given Ryan Williams' injury history, it would seem to be a given his deal would have splits in the event he landed on injured reserve again.