The Defecation Hits the Oscillation Situations

[jday]

Yeah, it would be tough to argue against it... but I don't think it will happen again. He might make a different mistake, but Garrett has proven over the past few years that he learns from his mistakes, and learns quickly. He will typically adjust and not make the same mistake again, for the most part.

I do think having Marinelli (excellent coach) and Linehan (excellent offensive coordinator) will help him a lot. In particular I think the new wrinkles in the offense will help. Other teams, and particularly the one's in our division, knew Garrett's offense inside and out. They have been playing against it since 2007 and were comfortable playing against it. Even when Callahan was running it, it was still pretty much the same offense. Linehan though is going to be running a different offense and I think defenses won't be nearly as comfortable game planning against it.

Both Marinelli and Linehan coached their way into a head coaching gig based on the merits of what they did as coordinators. They are both very good coaches. If the defense can just be good enough to hold on, the offense will win some games this year.

It won't be boring, that's for sure.

It would certainly transcend reason that on ivy league school graduate would make those same type of in-game mistakes again... particularly with the coaches he has surrounded himself with. Linehan's addition and the wrinkles he could add to this offense may prove to be the best offensive acquisition of the offseason...even morso than Zach Martin...and I understand that is saying alot. I understand that there are many who were upset by the situation simply for the fact that he has been guilty of being pass-happy, as well. But I would argue that those percentages can be misleading because while the NFL consider's the screen a pass, for me it is still more of a toss-run. With the athletic youth we have up front now, I suspect we will see alot more screen's and figuring out different ways to get the ball to our RB's in space. While I don't question Marinelli's ability as a coach, that defense, like you said, is the big question mark for the upcoming season.

 

[jday]

Please name me one adjustment Garrett has made during a game which ended up winning the contest.

While I think it's safe to answer in the affirmative that Garrett has made mid-game adjustments that led to a win, it's really impossible for us to answer that question unless a member happens to also be either a coach, a player, or at the very least a ball boy who over heard a conversation on the Cowboys staff.

 

[visionary]

Remove Romo and Garrett is Campo.

This
I have said it before

Garrett - romo = coslet or campo

 

[casmith07]

While I think it's safe to answer in the affirmative that Garrett has made mid-game adjustments that led to a win, it's really impossible for us to answer that question unless a member happens to also be either a coach, a player, or at the very least a ball boy who over heard a conversation on the Cowboys staff.

It also posits the unrealistic and quite frankly stupid ideology that somehow the other team isn't also professional and trying to win.

 

[Alexander]

Players didn't quit on Campo or plenty of other coaches who've been fired.

The Campo days were also characterized by trying hard, close losses by a cap strapped talent deficient talent pool that could have made 5-11 seasons into 8-8 seasons.

Yet back then the consensus was that Campo needed to go. Mainly because he didn't look like a head coach and didn't act like it.

How quickly people forget.

 

[BigStar]

I am a Garrett fan because of how he runs the organization, not because of what he does on gameday. I have no question about the drafts anymore. I used to never trust the picks they made (post Jimmy Johnson), but since Garrett has been here, Dallas has been one of the better drafting teams in the league. Many won't give Garrett responsibility for that, but I think that Jerry Jones thinks so highly of Jason that he lets him have more control over the draft process than anyone since Jimmy... and yes I'm including Parcells.

Literally everything about the organization is improved under Garrett. They make better personnel decisions, they are giving more weight to playing youth and inexperience, and they have stopped paying age and past production. In short, they are running the organization the right way... finally.

I think Garrett has more to do with that than anyone else in the organization. So I absolutely love the direction of the franchise and think that Jason is the right guy to lead them.

Enjoy reading your posts and guarded optimism but what you just described as the positives are the role of a good GM, not a HC. The game day management, play calling, and win-loss record is specifically what he should be judged on. That is responsibility of a HC/OC. I do like some aspects of the roster (OL) but don't see the "purging" that is credited to him either (specifically?). The drafts have been improved but still shaky in the middle (out of northwestern community college or drafting specifically for back ups) and neglectful towards the D. Nick Hayden and Jeff Heath started for this team

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

This is a fine post. One of the best in weeks.

I half generally been a fan of Garrett. So he blew a couple of calls and froze his own kicker. there before the grace of od go we.

But here is what sets Garrett apart from fine coaches like Jimma and other fine and fiery coaches:

Let's say a linebacker misses a tackle or a runner loses the ball away from contact or a QB gets too Tarkington fer his own good and thows into double coverage.

Garrett will say: "He's a competitor. he wants to win and sometimes he tries to do too much. What we love about him is his work ethic and intelligence."

Jimma would say: "He needs to/make the tackle/hold on to the ball/learn to read the freakin' defense. If that happen again, expect someone else who can make that play."

THAT, besides game strategy, conditioning and toughness is what will elevate a team.
Me is really tired of players suddenly halfing brain farts and a coach shrugging and instead saying how intelligent and a workaholic a player be. The fans do not care. All they care about is MAKING the play and winning.

Mr. Garrett, as your fan (generally), you need to call it as it is. A player plays his heart out and succeeds and, yes, be afusive with your compliments. A player stinks it up and you need to say it.
Then and only then will you gain the fans appreciation and the player's fear. Fear is a motivator, much more than impotent, inane compliments that do nothing but give players a comfort zone so they can again stink it up and not answer to it.

Damn, I am good. . . .

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Garrett is overseeing a franchise that is on the mend and compares favorably to any franchise out there.

Me no see that at all.
As a matter of fact, I see a regressing team. You think 6-10 next season is a remote possibility? I don't. I see a offense that will be fair to good and a defense that will be
worse (at lot worse) than last year. That translate to 6-10 or worse.
Let us judge Garrett on next year and then decide really how good this Princeton guy can be.
If he's that good, we will be 9-7. If he go 7-9 or 6-10, it is time to beat the bushes for a new coach.
But I did like the other parts of your response.

 

[Idgit]

Except Campo had Mike Zimmer as his defensive coordinator for the entire time. The defense was solid to good for the most part through Campo's entire time as the Head Coach.

That is just from a W-L, gameday coach perspective though.

When Campo was there the talent acquisition was horrid. The drafts were full blown disasters in large part. Every aspect of the franchise that I really like now was the complete opposite in the early 2000's.

If you want to argue that Campo was just as good of a gameday coach as Garrett, then go right ahead. However, there is absolutely zero comparison between the two if you're talking the health and direction of the franchise, or the solid foundation that Garrett has laid down.

Campo was just a puppet hanging on for dear life. Garrett is overseeing a franchise that is on the mend and compares favorably to any franchise out there.

That is my whole thing with Garrett... he has helped fix the franchise.

This is a nice refutation of a weak argument. Good stuff.

I see zero connections between the Garrett and Campo eras. Campo was a bad head coach in very difficult circumstances with awful talent, and he still somehow gets a bum rap. Jason's a good coach with a great reputation who's managing to repair the wings on a plane in mid flight. He has detractors among fans on the internet who understandably judge coaches by nothing more sophisticated than wins and losses, but the people in position to know seem to all think he does a great job. I guess we'll see this year if they're willing to put more money where their mouth is.

 

[jday]

This is a fine post. One of the best in weeks.

I half generally been a fan of Garrett. So he blew a couple of calls and froze his own kicker. there before the grace of od go we.

But here is what sets Garrett apart from fine coaches like Jimma and other fine and fiery coaches:

Let's say a linebacker misses a tackle or a runner loses the ball away from contact or a QB gets too Tarkington fer his own good and thows into double coverage.

Garrett will say: "He's a competitor. he wants to win and sometimes he tries to do too much. What we love about him is his work ethic and intelligence."

Jimma would say: "He needs to/make the tackle/hold on to the ball/learn to read the freakin' defense. If that happen again, expect someone else who can make that play."

THAT, besides game strategy, conditioning and toughness is what will elevate a team.
Me is really tired of players suddenly halfing brain farts and a coach shrugging and instead saying how intelligent and a workaholic a player be. The fans do not care. All they care about is MAKING the play and winning.

Mr. Garrett, as your fan (generally), you need to call it as it is. A player plays his heart out and succeeds and, yes, be afusive with your compliments. A player stinks it up and you need to say it.
Then and only then will you gain the fans appreciation and the player's fear. Fear is a motivator, much more than impotent, inane compliments that do nothing but give players a comfort zone so they can again stink it up and not answer to it.

Damn, I am good. . . .

Thank you for the hat tip good sir. It means alot to me. I've been following your contributions for awhile. I try not to miss a single thread you contribute.

Having said that, while I'm sure the media and fan's alike would love to hear Garrett publicly humiliate players, I'm not sure if it serves a good purpose. Berate and scream at him behind closed doors, provided that type of player needs that type of stick. But not every player responds the same way to that type of disciplining approach. You truly have to know your players first and no what drives them. Granted, with some the yelling works, but I'd say those types of players in this day and age are few and far between. The reason players responded well to that back in the 90's is because that's the stick that was used throughout there football playing days. But in the politically correct world we live in now, you are seeing less and less coaches who are able to get away with that approach. So when you start yelling, some players meerly take a mental note that it's time to don a new uniform. The other reason Jimmy was able to get away with that approach is because there was no cap and he was close and personal friends with an owner who spared no expense in bringing in talent. Lastly, that Dallas Cowboys team was already loaded...much of their depth on the defensive line for instance would probably start on this team...though I certainly could be wrong on that last point. So while I respect your thoughts on this and acknowledge that I could be wrong (that your approach might be just what the doctor ordered) I'm not as sure as you that approach would fix this team. Just my opinion.

 

[jday]

Me no see that at all.
As a matter of fact, I see a regressing team. You think 6-10 next season is a remote possibility? I don't. I see a offense that will be fair to good and a defense that will be
worse (at lot worse) than last year. That translate to 6-10 or worse.
Let us judge Garrett on next year and then decide really how good this Princeton guy can be.
If he's that good, we will be 9-7. If he go 7-9 or 6-10, it is time to beat the bushes for a new coach.
But I did like the other parts of your response.

I don't agree with everything, namely basing Garrett's fate on the win/loss ratio alone, but I do think this next season should be the ultimate judge of rather or not Jerry should extend Garrett.

 

[TwoDeep3]

This
I have said it before

Garrett - romo = coslet or campo

I probably got it from you. I remember seeing it and couldn't recall who said it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I can only answer this for myself... but for me, I do it because Garrett is so good as everything else besides being a gameday coach. As I said in my (long-winded) post above, acquiring good talent (the right kind of talent), having the full attention of the team (it is clear they get his message), and limiting penalties and turnovers. To me it is clear that he is running a tight ship, just like it is clear that he has been doing a complete rebuild since he took over. Like I said above, even going through a complete rebuild he never won fewer than 8 games. That isn't bad.

Basically, the team is in great shape and only getting better. If he can learn from his mistakes and become a good gameday coach, then the franchise will be in excellent shape going forward. I can't think of many coaching candidates that would be able to run things so well under Jerry. IMO, Garrett is almost filling a pseudo GM position. I don't think anyone Jones will hire would do as well as far as the direction of the franchise.

If Garrett does improve and is able to complete his rebuilding project (Defense still needs work), I think the team becomes a perennial contender under his watch.

Okay, I know this is the hopeful narrative, that since Garrett isn't a good coach, and we have to find something good about him, we'll give him credit for drafting and everything else.

So if he's n control of this franchise and is doing a great job, how or why does he

1. Give up playcalling -- twice now -- when he by every single account didn't want to
2. Make his own brother get another job (yes, technically not a firing but the effect is the same)
3. Throw a hissy for all the world to see when the team passes on Floyd in the draft
4. Have to accept the GM coming down to the sideline to make sure he takes the starting QB out of the game when a playoff spot is locked up
5. Not substantially improve penalties until 2.5 years into his tenure
6. Accept Jerry calling him a trainee who has made numerous mistakes
7. Accept Jerry hiring a new defensive coordinator for him (Lacewell was out scouting Kiffin almost a full year before we hired him)
8. Trade up for a near-bust like Morris Claiborne
8. Preach great character but keep giving chances to players with poor character

and the list goes on.

I just don't see this direction. When you boil it down, the only thing the Garrett fans can really hang their hat on is that the team hasn't quit. What a piss-poor standard for keeping a coach for this once-great franchise.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It would certainly transcend reason that on ivy league school graduate would make those same type of in-game mistakes again...

Hate to post after myself, but Ivy League or not, he HAS made the same mistakes again. Remember the infamous self-frozen kicker game in Arizona when Garrett let all that time waste off the clock to settle for a 50-yard FG? He did the exact same thing the next year in Baltimore, only this time in a swirling wind. How do you not try to get a few more yards there when you have plenty of time and your percentage of FGs made skyrockets when you get just a little closer? Especially when you've already made that game-losing mistake?

I don't know. I guess there's only one person we can ask.

 

[waving monkey]

I can only answer this for myself... but for me, I do it because Garrett is so good as everything else besides being a gameday coach. As I said in my (long-winded) post above, acquiring good talent (the right kind of talent), having the full attention of the team (it is clear they get his message), and limiting penalties and turnovers. To me it is clear that he is running a tight ship, just like it is clear that he has been doing a complete rebuild since he took over. Like I said above, even going through a complete rebuild he never won fewer than 8 games. That isn't bad.

Basically, the team is in great shape and only getting better. If he can learn from his mistakes and become a good gameday coach, then the franchise will be in excellent shape going forward. I can't think of many coaching candidates that would be able to run things so well under Jerry. IMO, Garrett is almost filling a pseudo GM position. I don't think anyone Jones will hire would do as well as far as the direction of the franchise.

If Garrett does improve and is able to complete his rebuilding project (Defense still needs work), I think the team becomes a perennial contender under his watch.

both post where great and obviously I agree

 

[jday]

This is a nice refutation of a weak argument. Good stuff.

I see zero connections between the Garrett and Campo eras. Campo was a bad head coach in very difficult circumstances with awful talent, and he still somehow gets a bum rap. Jason's a good coach with a great reputation who's managing to repair the wings on a plane in mid flight. He has detractors among fans on the internet who understandably judge coaches by nothing more sophisticated than wins and losses, but the people in position to know seem to all think he does a great job. I guess we'll see this year if they're willing to put more money where their mouth is.

While there is certainly blame that Garrett clearly needs to shoulder, overall I'd say he has done a pretty good job, given the circumstances. As AsthmaField pointed out, he inherited a self-entitled team filled with aging veterans looking at their best days in the rearview who had absolutely quit on their Head Coach; perhaps not everyone on that 2010 team, but enough for it to show up in the win/loss column. And, once again, as AsthmaField broke it down, he completely rebuilt the team, while staying somewhat competitive. When other teams rebuild, it typicallys means they have between the 1st and 5th overall pick in the next draft.

But we Cowboys fans have a tendency to be a little to impatient. I'd say the same thing about Jerry the GM and Owner, which is why the rebuild has probably taken longer than many of us would like. But this last offseason showed, particularly with letting Hatcher and Ware walk, that he is finally starting to let go of his loyalties and starting to build a team the right way. Personally, I am not looking at this next season as the season were his effect will prove itself, which is why I'm really hoping he at least proves he can handle the in-game Head Coach responsibilities this year, because next season with another smart Free Agency and good draft, this team could be a true contender.[/quote]

 

[Mr Cowboy]

The past 3 years we have had 3 different offensive coordinators,3 different defensive coordinators, all but Ryan still with the team, and two different special team coordinators. If things don't vastly improve this year, do we continue accumulating coordinators? Time to take off the training wheels, and have some accountability.

 

[jday]

Hate to post after myself, but Ivy League or not, he HAS made the same mistakes again. Remember the infamous self-frozen kicker game in Arizona when Garrett let all that time waste off the clock to settle for a 50-yard FG? He did the exact same thing the next year in Baltimore, only this time in a swirling wind. How do you not try to get a few more yards there when you have plenty of time and your percentage of FGs made skyrockets when you get just a little closer? Especially when you've already made that game-losing mistake?

I don't know. I guess there's only one person we can ask.

If you asked him, I'd imagine he would ask you to stack everything he has done in written test form. Then he would ask you to go through and write a big red X over his obvious mistakes. Then he would ask you for his final grade. I'd imagine if you did that objectively and without bias, weighting various questions by there overall impact on the team, he would probably be somewhere around a B-. Consider: Rebuilt a team and yet didn't have 1 losing season. Kept the team fighting through adversity and a plethora of injuries these past 2 seasons. Somehow has Jerry's ear and has him acting accordingly - something that even Parcell's struggled with. All of this versus a handful of poor in-game choices and at times predictable playcalling. So, Jerry stripped him of the playcalling and just left him with the in-game choices to see what he can do this next year. For me, its his final exam. I truly hope he passes.

 

[jday]

Okay, I know this is the hopeful narrative, that since Garrett isn't a good coach, and we have to find something good about him, we'll give him credit for drafting and everything else.

So if he's n control of this franchise and is doing a great job, how or why does he

1. Give up playcalling -- twice now -- when he by every single account didn't want to
2. Make his own brother get another job (yes, technically not a firing but the effect is the same)
3. Throw a hissy for all the world to see when the team passes on Floyd in the draft
4. Have to accept the GM coming down to the sideline to make sure he takes the starting QB out of the game when a playoff spot is locked up
5. Not substantially improve penalties until 2.5 years into his tenure
6. Accept Jerry calling him a trainee who has made numerous mistakes
7. Accept Jerry hiring a new defensive coordinator for him (Lacewell was out scouting Kiffin almost a full year before we hired him)
8. Trade up for a near-bust like Morris Claiborne
8. Preach great character but keep giving chances to players with poor character

and the list goes on.

I just don't see this direction. When you boil it down, the only thing the Garrett fans can really hang their hat on is that the team hasn't quit. What a piss-poor standard for keeping a coach for this once-great franchise.

I'm sure AsthmaField will respond in kind, but I couldn't help taking a crack at it.

1. How many Head Coaches call their own plays? It was tough to give up for him, I'm sure, mostly because he had no one on his staff he trusted with it. Linehan, in my opinion, will be a different story.
2. I could probably answer most of your questions with this - Jerry is still a meddling owner. You truly can't put everything on Jason. Jason's replacement will likely have to deal with the same thing. That won't change until Jerry leaves this world. If you plan on remaining a Cowboys fan, you should probably start to accept that.
3. Didn't see the "hissy" that you speak of, but at the end of the day they stuck with their board and got the right guy. In hindsight, I'm sure Jason is happy now. Please don't tell me you have never had a situation were you felt strongly about something and were ultimately proven wrong. I've had that experience myself.
4. Not sure what you are referring to since the Cowboys haven't been to the playoffs since Garrett took the reigns. But as far Jerry coming down on the field, you would be hard pressed telling your boss and the guy who paid for the field that he can't walk on it.
5. I disagree. The in-game penalties have improved since he took over, though I don't have time to confirm right now, so I'll have to ask you to prove that one.
6. What did you expect him to do? Quit? Jerry is Jerry. Part of being the Head Coach of the Cowboys is accepting that Jerry sticks his foot in his mouth on a regular and consistent basis. This is nothing new...Garrett knew this coming in.
7. How exactly do you know Garrett wasn't on board with that move?
8. Not a single thing I've read about Morris Claiborne prior to him being drafted described him as anything less than a sure-thing. If you want to hold Garrett responsble for that, your pointing your finger at alot of experts, not just Garrett. That's a good way to lose a finger.
9. So people can't change? People can't grow up? People can't be right for the right system? If he always took that approach, no Dez Bryant and handful of other players who have went on to have productive careers for the right system, at the right time.

 

[TwoDeep3]

This is a nice refutation of a weak argument. Good stuff.

I see zero connections between the Garrett and Campo eras. Campo was a bad head coach in very difficult circumstances with awful talent, and he still somehow gets a bum rap. Jason's a good coach with a great reputation who's managing to repair the wings on a plane in mid flight. He has detractors among fans on the internet who understandably judge coaches by nothing more sophisticated than wins and losses, but the people in position to know seem to all think he does a great job. I guess we'll see this year if they're willing to put more money where their mouth is.

Really? No connection.

Aikman on the downside of his career and the team was 5-11. Garrett has Romop who can make the team play better even without a great offensive line and no running game.

Now remove Romo or make him ineffective.

That wasn't a weak argument at all. Would you say Romo is the reason for three extra wins? More maybe?

A marionette is still a puppet because the puppet master is still in charge. One last point. Wonder what Ray Lewis thinks of Garrett's reputation or his offense?