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[JBS]

You are over thinking this. .... .. By A LOT

Its a result based business. .period...

Nobody cares why. You either win or you are fired.

It's really that simple

 

[jday]

You are over thinking this. .... .. By A LOT

Its a result based business. .period...

Nobody cares why. You either win or you are fired.

It's really that simple

I disagree. For that to be true, you would have to have a fantasy draft every year to ensure that every team is close to the same in terms of talent. But as it has been pointed out numerous times in this thread, Garrett has had quite the rebuild project on his hands ever since he took over for Wade. Add to that the changes in personnel and coaches, injuries, and the defensive scheme change from the 34 to 43 and you should understand why this rebuild has taken longer then many of us fans have patience for.

 

[Hostile]

Tom Landry

 

[wileedog]

I can only answer this for myself... but for me, I do it because Garrett is so good as everything else besides being a gameday coach. As I said in my (long-winded) post above, acquiring good talent (the right kind of talent), having the full attention of the team (it is clear they get his message), and limiting penalties and turnovers. To me it is clear that he is running a tight ship, just like it is clear that he has been doing a complete rebuild since he took over.

There are only 32 people in the world at one time allowed to be NFL head coaches. Surely we can find one person in 7 billion who can do all of those things AND be at least semi-competent on game day?

The coach in training thing is beyond old.

Like I said above, even going through a complete rebuild he never won fewer than 8 games. That isn't bad..

Its also nothing special when 8 of your games are against arguably one of the worst divisions in football. And his career record against winning teams, even before going through this so called re-build, is utterly abysmal.

 

[JBS]

I disagree. For that to be true, you would have to have a fantasy draft every year to ensure that every team is close to the same in terms of talent. But as it has been pointed out numerous times in this thread, Garrett has had quite the rebuild project on his hands ever since he took over for Wade. Add to that the changes in personnel and coaches, injuries, and the defensive scheme change from the 34 to 43 and you should understand why this rebuild has taken longer then many of us fans have patience for.

It's been proven by many coaches at many different jobs that it doesn't take this long. .. And he hasn't even turned it around yet

 

[wileedog]

Tom Landry

Oh FFS, you are still pushing this comparison?

Tom Landry, with free agency and a parity driven draft system, would have taken this league by storm within 3 years of taking over this team. He introduced game changing innovations on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball, but he was stuck in a league not designed for quick talent accumulations by a new expansion team like the current league is. The entire environment is completely different.

Let me know when anyone, anywhere at any time off this message board refers to Jason Garrett as an innovative, game-changing head coach.

 

[Maxmadden]

I can only answer this for myself... but for me, I do it because Garrett is so good as everything else besides being a gameday coach. As I said in my (long-winded) post above, acquiring good talent (the right kind of talent), having the full attention of the team (it is clear they get his message), and limiting penalties and turnovers. To me it is clear that he is running a tight ship, just like it is clear that he has been doing a complete rebuild since he took over. Like I said above, even going through a complete rebuild he never won fewer than 8 games. That isn't bad.

Basically, the team is in great shape and only getting better. If he can learn from his mistakes and become a good gameday coach, then the franchise will be in excellent shape going forward. I can't think of many coaching candidates that would be able to run things so well under Jerry. IMO, Garrett is almost filling a pseudo GM position. I don't think anyone Jones will hire would do as well as far as the direction of the franchise.

If Garrett does improve and is able to complete his rebuilding project (Defense still needs work), I think the team becomes a perennial contender under his watch.

I think this is the most important part. Jerry hired him to rebuild the team and coach in the interim. Most coaches would just sign players to help them win now. I know we have all heard about the process but if you look at it, Garret has methodically replaced the
aging OL and has moved on to the aging DL. I think Jerry values him more as a GM than a game day coach. I think he will be here longer than most people want to believe. Jerry may even let him put his team together and then evaluate his coaching ability. Regardless, we do seem to have some direction.

 

[Maxmadden]

Please name me one adjustment Garrett has made during a game which ended up winning the contest.

The bolded part is subjective. I suggest since Garrett has been with Dallas, and had control of the offense the entire time he has been on board, we've watched Pete Carroll take a Seahawks team and make them into a champ. Pete Carroll.

But Pete had two distinct advantages.

He had been a head coach in both college and the pros before.

Pete Carroll did not have Jerry Jones meddling.

He also inherited a pretty talented football team

It's been proven by many coaches at many different jobs that it doesn't take this long. .. And he hasn't even turned it around yet

Please name the many coaches?

 

[Maxmadden]

This is a fine post. One of the best in weeks.

I half generally been a fan of Garrett. So he blew a couple of calls and froze his own kicker. there before the grace of od go we.

But here is what sets Garrett apart from fine coaches like Jimma and other fine and fiery coaches:

Let's say a linebacker misses a tackle or a runner loses the ball away from contact or a QB gets too Tarkington fer his own good and thows into double coverage.

Garrett will say: "He's a competitor. he wants to win and sometimes he tries to do too much. What we love about him is his work ethic and intelligence."

Jimma would say: "He needs to/make the tackle/hold on to the ball/learn to read the freakin' defense. If that happen again, expect someone else who can make that play."

THAT, besides game strategy, conditioning and toughness is what will elevate a team.
Me is really tired of players suddenly halfing brain farts and a coach shrugging and instead saying how intelligent and a workaholic a player be. The fans do not care. All they care about is MAKING the play and winning.

Mr. Garrett, as your fan (generally), you need to call it as it is. A player plays his heart out and succeeds and, yes, be afusive with your compliments. A player stinks it up and you need to say it.
Then and only then will you gain the fans appreciation and the player's fear. Fear is a motivator, much more than impotent, inane compliments that do nothing but give players a comfort zone so they can again stink it up and not answer to it.

Damn, I am goofy . . .

You halfs to tell the Dolphins that, not us Cowboy fans.

 

[Rockytop6]

This thread was not intended to be an argument for keeping Garrett. My argument is actually against the people who suggest we should fire him simply because the team doesn't make the playoffs or does better than 8 and 8...especially when not too many expect the Cowboys to do better than that regardless of the job Garrett does. I thought I made that pretty clear. To be honest, I'm divided on Jason Garrett. But the reasons I had an issue with Garrett I am hoping are in the rearview - 1. In game management has been pretty poor and 2. I wasn't a big fan of his playcalling. With the latter being stripped from him, the only thing he has to focus on is the first point - both should be improved as a result. What I like about Garrett is the direction of the team and the youth movement. At least this past offseason, Jerry Jones showed restraint in the contracts he handed out and I suspect that is because of Jason. I could be wrong on the last point, but it at least shows a change with some promise for the future. Garrett isn't special, but a change of coach means we have to start all over, when I beleive if the Cowboys keep on their current path, we might actually see a potential contender in the next few years. Furthermore, there is no telling who Jerry hires after Garrett and in hindsight Garrett may be the lesser of two evils.

jday, I love your title. You do have a way with words.

 

[jday]

It's been proven by many coaches at many different jobs that it doesn't take this long. .. And he hasn't even turned it around yet

Different teams, different players, different owners/gm's, different situations. I'm afraid your taking a far too simplistic view of how the NFL works. Admittedly Garrett has made mistakes; I myself am not completely sold on his ability as a gameday coach - this season will be likely his last shot. But I hope he succeed's, because 1. as I said before, I like the direction of the team and 2. I fear who his replacement will be.

 

[jnday]

I think this is the most important part. Jerry hired him to rebuild the team and coach in the interim. Most coaches would just sign players to help them win now. I know we have all heard about the process but if you look at it, Garret has methodically replaced the
aging OL and has moved on to the aging DL. I think Jerry values him more as a GM than a game day coach. I think he will be here longer than most people want to believe. Jerry may even let him put his team together and then evaluate his coaching ability. Regardless, we do seem to have some direction.

If you think about it, was rebuilding the oline that big if a deal? Any coach in football would know that the oline had to be rebuilt. If anything, it took longer under Garrett. They wasted a couple seasons on players like Costa that was progress stoppers. I think anybody on this board can see that the Dline needs it now. Really, it is a couple years too late. I will also say that rebuilding would have went much quicker if Garrett had used his resources wisely. The resources that went into the secondary was unreal, but the results have not matched the investment. The oline woud not have needed first round draft picks if resources were used better. There has been massive mismanagement under Garrett with no improvement. Sure the roster has got younger, but that don't mean it has got better. Jerry gets the blame for some of it, but Garrett needs his share too.

 

[Hostile]

Oh FFS, you are still pushing this comparison?

Tom Landry, with free agency and a parity driven draft system, would have taken this league by storm within 3 years of taking over this team. He introduced game changing innovations on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball, but he was stuck in a league not designed for quick talent accumulations by a new expansion team like the current league is. The entire environment is completely different.

Let me know when anyone, anywhere at any time off this message board refers to Jason Garrett as an innovative, game-changing head coach.

What comparison? The statement was false. That proves it.

 

[jday]

If you think about it, was rebuilding the oline that big if a deal? Any coach in football would know that the oline had to be rebuilt. If anything, it took longer under Garrett. They wasted a couple seasons on players like Costa that was progress stoppers. I think anybody on this board can see that the Dline needs it now. Really, it is a couple years too late. I will also say that rebuilding would have went much quicker if Garrett had used his resources wisely. The resources that went into the secondary was unreal, but the results have not matched the investment. The oline woud not have needed first round draft picks if resources were used better. There has been massive mismanagement under Garrett with no improvement. Sure the roster has got younger, but that don't mean it has got better. Jerry gets the blame for some of it, but Garrett needs his share too.

Since we are talking about players that have been drafted during Garretts tenure, you could also include the scouting department. And since they were 1 injured Romo away in the final game from making the playoffs last year, you could also blame injuries. The players aren't robots, they are human and therefore are culpable as well for poor execution on various plays throughout each season. And if you are going to blame players, you may as well include the various positions coaches and coordinators in this blame game. Jerry Jones at the very top clearly deserves a big part of the blame, considering he is calling all of the shots...he created the cap situation, he paid players for what they had done and not what they were going do, he made the stupid trade for Roy Williams, he handed the stupid contract to Brandon Carr - the list is long for Jerry; too long to go into at this juncture to make the point I'm trying to make.

The fact is there is alot of different directions you could point your finger; so many that you and I put together don't have enough fingers between us to accomplish that task completely. A football team has alot of moving parts and any number of those parts failing can cause the whole thing to fail. Then take in consideration that there are 31 other teams trying to accomplish the exact same thing as our Cowboys with the same amount of fault-probility and you have the conglomerate that is the NFL. The Cowboys going 8-8 the past 3 seasons tells me they are mediocre...not the epic fail you would think based on some of the responses this post has garnered.

Garrett clearly has made his share of mistakes. But considering all of the above issues he has had to contend with, I'd say he has done an alright job thus far. But I think we all can agree, he has to do better in all phases of his game. This is his year to prove he can do it...and I cannot wait one way or the other.

 

[Idgit]

Really? No connection.

Aikman on the downside of his career and the team was 5-11. Garrett has Romop who can make the team play better even without a great offensive line and no running game.

Now remove Romo or make him ineffective.

That wasn't a weak argument at all. Would you say Romo is the reason for three extra wins? More maybe?

A marionette is still a puppet because the puppet master is still in charge. One last point. Wonder what Ray Lewis thinks of Garrett's reputation or his offense?

Yeah, none. Your explanation doesn't help much, as I don't share your assessments and I don't understand why you think taking Romo out of the equation.

I think these teams and the Campo teams are completely different. Apart from being specialists on opposite sides of the ball, I think the coaches in question are almost completely different in terms of their abilities, results, and approach to building the organization.

I actually think Parcells is the better comparison. Both in terms of approach and results.

 

[casmith07]

Thank you for the hat tip good sir. It means alot to me. I've been following your contributions for awhile. I try not to miss a single thread you contribute.

Having said that, while I'm sure the media and fan's alike would love to hear Garrett publicly humiliate players, I'm not sure if it serves a good purpose. Berate and scream at him behind closed doors, provided that type of player needs that type of stick. But not every player responds the same way to that type of disciplining approach. You truly have to know your players first and no what drives them. Granted, with some the yelling works, but I'd say those types of players in this day and age are few and far between. The reason players responded well to that back in the 90's is because that's the stick that was used throughout there football playing days. But in the politically correct world we live in now, you are seeing less and less coaches who are able to get away with that approach. So when you start yelling, some players meerly take a mental note that it's time to don a new uniform. The other reason Jimmy was able to get away with that approach is because there was no cap and he was close and personal friends with an owner who spared no expense in bringing in talent. Lastly, that Dallas Cowboys team was already loaded...much of their depth on the defensive line for instance would probably start on this team...though I certainly could be wrong on that last point. So while I respect your thoughts on this and acknowledge that I could be wrong (that your approach might be just what the doctor ordered) I'm not as sure as you that approach would fix this team. Just my opinion.

I've been saying that leadership and motivation is all about knowing each trooper individually for years but they still don't get it.

 

[visionary]

Tom Landry

Jason Garrett = Dave Campo

 

[visionary]

I probably got it from you. I remember seeing it and couldn't recall who said it.

No biggie, it's just a message board

I mostly agree with your posts and Have probably taken ideas from you as well

 

[BigStar]

Tom Landry

You rascal you...

 

[CCBoy]

If you think about it, was rebuilding the oline that big if a deal? Any coach in football would know that the oline had to be rebuilt. If anything, it took longer under Garrett. They wasted a couple seasons on players like Costa that was progress stoppers. I think anybody on this board can see that the Dline needs it now. Really, it is a couple years too late. I will also say that rebuilding would have went much quicker if Garrett had used his resources wisely. The resources that went into the secondary was unreal, but the results have not matched the investment. The oline woud not have needed first round draft picks if resources were used better. There has been massive mismanagement under Garrett with no improvement. Sure the roster has got younger, but that don't mean it has got better. Jerry gets the blame for some of it, but Garrett needs his share too.

If the offensive line was the only thing that needed to be rebuilt, since Jason Garrett was given the position...that would be one thing. Instead, he has had to completely rebuild the offensive line, now the defensive line, and efforts at rebuilding the complete secondary that has needed medical attention for about a whole decade. Do this while squirming from cap ramifications from already having to drop 1/3 of the team's cap drains over the past four seasons as well. Oh, and I forgot the punishment fine the Cowboys received on consecutive years to boot.

A base plate weighs approximately 108 pounds, by the way.