The Defecation Hits the Oscillation Situations

Wait, what?

Let me handle this:

The astute mans say Garrett seems intent on a running game, i.e., the improved O line (maybe). He also say that if the players do not quit on Garrett, the coach will do well (perhaps). In concussion, I would say the gentlemans likes how thing are progressing.
 
All it takes is one hole in the dam. How'd that great SB team, OL, defense, and HOFers do with Emmitt holding out. That's an extreme example and I can shoot holes in it if I take the other side.

This is a simple game of blocking and tackling. It has also become an intricate game of multiple offense looks and sets as well as the same on defense. And it evolves constantly.

You can't replace most of your OL in one year and expect a great deal. Some of you clamoring for Garrett's head are the same clamoring for Jerry's head for letting the OL get in such poor shape. You blame Garrett for problems like injuries when most of us understand Jerry put the team behind the talent eight ball over years with poor drafting and trades yada. You don't overcome a severe 53 man talent deficit as well as starting one overnite nor IMO in these circumstances of little cap room, some draft spots missing, a poor scouting and drafting department overall, etc.

I don't know where this hard and fast 3 year rule comes from but certainly not from a lot of us. It depends on the situation. This coming year we are out of cap prison and can plug unexpected and unfinished areas on the team with judicious use of FAs. We are slowly moving away from an overall talent deficit and it's hard nt to credit Garrett some although it could be mostly Jerry, Stephen and their scouting department which appears much better. It's hard not to credit Garrett some with the emphasis on repairing a poor OL which many many here bemoaned.

You can't fight the number of injuries we've had with a roster playing with a talent deficit relative to the rest of the league. You certainly can't work through what happened last year. For those who keep repeating the mantra all teams have injuries show me a comparable team with the number of injuries we had to one side of the ball who started with the talent deficit we did at the beginning of the year.

Having said all that I have no idea where Jerry is with Garrett. I suspect he feels a lot like me. I don't know what we have yet but I'm moving from the thumbs down side to the thumbs up side.....in pencil. The next two to three years will prove if Garrett has it....that's assuming we still have a QB capable of leading us to the promised land.
 
Let me handle this:

The astute mans say Garrett seems intent on a running game, i.e., the improved O line (maybe). He also say that if the players do not quit on Garrett, the coach will do well (perhaps). In concussion, I would say the gentlemans likes how thing are progressing.

I think they're building the o-line to protect TR so we can pass MORE! We might throw Murray a bone every once in a while, but you now even see articles about involving the rbs more in the passing game.

That being said, I really do hope that we commit to the run all game, for the whole season. It used to be our identity.
 
Teams drop off regularly from one year to the next. What looked like a good team on paper started 1-7. We'd gotten old and expensive fast.

The opposite is true as well, teams regularly go from a 2-3 win season to the playoffs in one season.
 
The opposite is true as well, teams regularly go from a 2-3 win season to the playoffs in one season.

This is true. I'd welcome this. Though I'd prefer we skip the 2-3 win season part.
 
What a joke to claim that going into 2010, a team that returned virtually everyone from a division and playoff game winning team had to be rebuilt.

I guess Phillips was one great coach. :rolleyes:

I don't like to go back and forth with you Lab because we've been posting a long time together and I've always respected your views, but you can't possibly think that 2009 squad was anything other than mediocre.

As Idgit said, that team got old, and it got old in a hurry. Flozell Adams wasn't resigned before the 2010 season, Kyle Kosier was old and injured, Marc Colombo's knees finally retired that year, Andre Gurode was striving to reach 400 lbs., and Leonard Davis pretty much forgot how to move at anything more brisk than a snail's pace. Regardless of what happened in 2009 (and it was that OL that effectively ended the season in Minnesota when they gave the Vikes a free run at Romo), that OL was done. Period. And when you can't pass protect or open holes in the running game, your team is going to be severely limited.

The defense caught fire in the last 6 games that year (Wade Phillips finally started running the defense and he is a very good DC) and luckily for Dallas a team that was getting older, faster (Philly) was not only the final game of the season that year, but they were the first playoff game too. Had Philly had a semblance of a pass rush that year, Dallas probably would have not made it to Minnesota to be slaughtered, although I'm not sure because that Philly team had many issues.

The Cowboys needed not only a new OL, but there were several units that, in retrospect, needed a lot of help.

Of the WR's, only Miles Austin was decent. Roy Williams was a fraud, Crayton should be no more than a 4th or 5th guy, Ogletree was even less useless than normal as a rookie, and Sam hurd was probably stoned most of the season. If you took over in 2010 would you want to stand pat with that group?

The RB's had Barber, who was still pretty good then and Felix (who I never really liked). Maybe you would have wanted to go forward with those guys, but if it were my team, I would want to change Felix, who always managed to come up small.

At TE there was Witten, but Bennett and Phillips were nothing worth writing home to mom about.

On the DL Ratliff was good and Bowen and Hatcher were solid enough. I probably would have rolled with that group well enough.

At LB there was Ware and Spencer, so we were set outside... but Bradie James and Keith Brooking inside were a dumpoff pass waiting to happen. Honestly, with those two inside I can't believe every team didn't throw the ball over the middle 50 times a game. Two new ILB's were a must have IMO.

In the secondary, Newman was old and getting older. Jenkins finally played up to his ability the last half of 2009 but regularly didn't. Hamlin and Sensebaugh were average to below average.

This is getting too long for my lunch break, but when Garrett took over this is what needed to be changed at the very least:

The entire OL
All but probably 1, maybe 2 WR's.
A RB
A backup TE
Both ILB's
A CB
Both Safeties

Not to mention that the team psyche was screwed from 3 years of Phillips' Camp Cupcake, and the high priced guys who were getting too old to play was going to limit the team no matter what.

Really, just having that old, decrepit OL would have been enough to stop the team from succeeding... but there was way more wrong with that team than just an old, overpriced OL.

In hindsight, it is easy to see why that 2009 team was lucky to make the postseason at all. They were lucky to run into a crappy Philly team... twice... and had they not got on that small run to end the season, they were on pace to do pretty bad.

We all talk here like we know something when really, we just have opinions and precious few facts... however, I feel pretty confident that the 2010 Dallas Cowboys were not a very good team and that considering the age of the players and their salaries, a complete rebuild was pretty necessary if you wanted to build a team the right way.
 
I think they're building the o-line to protect TR so we can pass MORE! We might throw Murray a bone every once in a while, but you now even see articles about involving the rbs more in the passing game.

That being said, I really do hope that we commit to the run all game, for the whole season. It used to be our identity.

That used to be the entire leagues identity. But the game of football, like it or not, is pass-happy. Furthermore, situation really dictates. If you are behind late in the game the last thing you want to do is run the ball; the idea is to move the ball quickly while preserving the clock - the best way to do that is in the pass. Plain and simple. Don't get me wrong, there have been situations were I screamed at the television when the Cowboys had a lead and for some reason they were still airing it out; I completely get that complaint and covered it, I thought, when i pointed out Garrett's issue's with playing and in-game management. Transverley, though, I have also screamed at the television when we were playing the Patriots with a lead late in the game 2 years ago and we ran the ball three times in roll and punted it to one of the best QB's in late game situations in the business today and probably, at least, top 10 in the history of the NFL - Tom Brady. Again, it really depends on the situation.
 
The opposite is true as well, teams regularly go from a 2-3 win season to the playoffs in one season.

Not very often. 5-7 teams that didn't make the playoffs the year before make them the next year but teams rarely go from a 2-3 win season to the playoffs.
 
Not very often. 5-7 teams that didn't make the playoffs the year before make them the next year but teams rarely go from a 2-3 win season to the playoffs.

There's ususally a team or two per year that turn it around rather quickly, the chiefs last year, The colts before them and this year probably the Falcons. Not many teams are on a perpetual 8-8 loop and consider it a success.
 
I certainly understand where your coming from, but Garrett was given the task to rebuild and still compete. As far as the top brass is concerned, there is no so thing as a complete rebuild. Having a losing season is unacceptable, so he had to do his rebuild slowly. Add to that the injury situations, poor execution by players, poor preperation be position coaches and coordinators, Jerry Jones meddling, a group of veteran players whose best days were behind them and, of course, Garrett's incompetence on certain gameday's and you have what we have seen: mediocrity.

The hope is Garrett has learned from his mistakes and with the offense completely out of his hands and in Linehan's, he should be able to focus on the clock management better. But here's the problem with your measuring stick in terms of rather or not he should keep his job: As I said in the OP, 1. alot can happen that will derail a season that has not thing to do with the Head Coach and 2. most of us are already predicting 8 and 8 or worse as a result of the lack of talent on defense, which also has nothing to do with the Head Coach. I've said it before, this team is rebuilding. I understand that someone in the NFL said it should only take 3 years, but there are exceptions to every rule. Having Jerry Jones as an Owner/GM is one hell of big exception, if you ask me...

A losing season is unacceptable ? I really don't see a .500 season much better. I also disagree with the responsibility of a HC. A HC has to accept responsibility for the defense and it is his fault if it happened while he has held the position.
 
That used to be the entire leagues identity. But the game of football, like it or not, is pass-happy. Furthermore, situation really dictates. If you are behind late in the game the last thing you want to do is run the ball; the idea is to move the ball quickly while preserving the clock - the best way to do that is in the pass. Plain and simple. Don't get me wrong, there have been situations were I screamed at the television when the Cowboys had a lead and for some reason they were still airing it out; I completely get that complaint and covered it, I thought, when i pointed out Garrett's issue's with playing and in-game management. Transverley, though, I have also screamed at the television when we were playing the Patriots with a lead late in the game 2 years ago and we ran the ball three times in roll and punted it to one of the best QB's in late game situations in the business today and probably, at least, top 10 in the history of the NFL - Tom Brady. Again, it really depends on the situation.

Not true. Look no further than the Seattle Seahawks.....the current NFL champs. They do not give up on the run, even when down late in the game by 2 scores. If you have a good oline that can control the line of scrimmage (which we may have this season) you can run the ball. And that's exactly what we need to do to take the pressure off this defense and Romo.
 
Garrett needs 5+ years to rebuild a team that quit the year after making the playoffs and winning the division.

This is with a top 10 QB in his prime years who is actually top 5 but we can't say that because of how poor the rest of the team and coaching is around him.
 
All it takes is one hole in the dam. How'd that great SB team, OL, defense, and HOFers do with Emmitt holding out. That's an extreme example and I can shoot holes in it if I take the other side.

This is a simple game of blocking and tackling. It has also become an intricate game of multiple offense looks and sets as well as the same on defense. And it evolves constantly.

You can't replace most of your OL in one year and expect a great deal. Some of you clamoring for Garrett's head are the same clamoring for Jerry's head for letting the OL get in such poor shape. You blame Garrett for problems like injuries when most of us understand Jerry put the team behind the talent eight ball over years with poor drafting and trades yada. You don't overcome a severe 53 man talent deficit as well as starting one overnite nor IMO in these circumstances of little cap room, some draft spots missing, a poor scouting and drafting department overall, etc.

I don't know where this hard and fast 3 year rule comes from but certainly not from a lot of us. It depends on the situation. This coming year we are out of cap prison and can plug unexpected and unfinished areas on the team with judicious use of FAs. We are slowly moving away from an overall talent deficit and it's hard nt to credit Garrett some although it could be mostly Jerry, Stephen and their scouting department which appears much better. It's hard not to credit Garrett some with the emphasis on repairing a poor OL which many many here bemoaned.

You can't fight the number of injuries we've had with a roster playing with a talent deficit relative to the rest of the league. You certainly can't work through what happened last year. For those who keep repeating the mantra all teams have injuries show me a comparable team with the number of injuries we had to one side of the ball who started with the talent deficit we did at the beginning of the year.

Having said all that I have no idea where Jerry is with Garrett. I suspect he feels a lot like me. I don't know what we have yet but I'm moving from the thumbs down side to the thumbs up side.....in pencil. The next two to three years will prove if Garrett has it....that's assuming we still have a QB capable of leading us to the promised land.

The three year plan was Garrett's . We expected him to keep his word.
 
I think they're building the o-line to protect TR so we can pass MORE! We might throw Murray a bone every once in a while, but you now even see articles about involving the rbs more in the passing game.

That being said, I really do hope that we commit to the run all game, for the whole season. It used to be our identity.

If Tony has to throw more, look for a 6-10 season for us.
Our only hope (with a defense that will range from bad to horrible) is to run the ball with consistency and with power.
Tony will half to lower his expectations for personal stats and run a balanced attack. Otherwise there is little hope.
 
Not true. Look no further than the Seattle Seahawks.....the current NFL champs. They do not give up on the run, even when down late in the game by 2 scores. If you have a good oline that can control the line of scrimmage (which we may have this season) you can run the ball. And that's exactly what we need to do to take the pressure off this defense and Romo.

I'd say using an option team to prove your point is a poor example. Their offense is designed for the QB to run - Russell Wilson ran 96 times for 539 yards in 2013.
 
A losing season is unacceptable ? I really don't see a .500 season much better. I also disagree with the responsibility of a HC. A HC has to accept responsibility for the defense and it is his fault if it happened while he has held the position.

I suppose you could say it is his responsibility, but if the defense is the reason this team can't break .500 this year, despite a great showing from all other sides of the ball and game management, are you still going to be calling for his head?
 
I suppose you could say it is his responsibility, but if the defense is the reason this team can't break .500 this year, despite a great showing from all other sides of the ball and game management, are you still going to be calling for his head?

Yes he is the HC. As HC , he has to have the whole team playing good. It is his job.
 
The three year plan was Garrett's . We expected him to keep his word.

Do you have a link to him stating he had a three year plan. Not saying there isn't one. Here is what I found while fighting off my 1 year old grandson's attention:

When the Cowboys Nation looks at the last three years under Jason Garrett’s rule and infers that nothing has changed in Dallas, it seems like willful blindness or succumbing to the human instinct to over-simplify.

Before I begin unleashing the mountain of evidence to prove the monumental changes that have occurred under the leadership of Jason Garrett, I need to make a few things clear: Garrett has made mistakes, perhaps even blunders, in his game-management (although I believe that the average Cowboys fan grossly exaggerates those miscues); Garrett inherited a top-heavy roster with a plethora of over-priced veterans – to think that he would fix those problems in 2 or 3 years was pure folly; Garrett has always been hampered by a fairly inept GM who also happens to sign his paychecks; my evaluation of Garrett and the progress that has been made is premised on the belief that Garrett started with a 5 year plan, and therefore he deserves another season or two before we can fairly evaluate what he was trying to implement in Dallas.


http://cowboyszone.com/2014/01/the-times-they-are-changing-jason.html

I've never thought there was a timeline on the hire nor do I think there has ever been more than Jerry's final decisions at or near the end of the season each year.

I've said for the last couple of years you cannot evaluate the job Garrett has done; not in a reasonable way. I don't just look at the record of a team. There are many things to look at IMO.

Again, unless the team unhinges this year I suspect Garrett has two years before undergoing a hard look by Jerry. JMO.
 
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