The Defecation Hits the Oscillation Situations

[Chocolate Lab]

I hope that barring a total collapse involving players quitting on Garrett that he stays around. I like the way he's changed the philosophy, i.e. pound the rock

Wait, what?

 

[Mr Cowboy]

And since they were 1 injured Romo away in the final game from making the playoffs last year, you could also blame injuries.

This is wrong, had they run the ball 3 times in a row in the 4th quarter against GB, instead of 3 time stopping incomplete passes, we win and that last game doesn't matter. Who was calling the plays?

And if you're crediting Garret with rebuilding the team, lets also gove him credit for the stupid contracts and dead money. Only in Dallas does it take 4 years to rebulild, and have no results. Rebuilding in today's NFL means dumping old players and dumb contracts, take your lumps for a year and be in the hunt for the playoffs the following year. You don't take 3 years to rebuild your OL, then 3 more years to rebuild you DL, and so forth. By the time you finish, its time to rebuild again.

I don't necessarily want Garrett gone at the end of the year, he has done some good things lately personnel wise, but its time for some significant improvement. He has had plenty of OJT, and nothing short of winning a playoff game should secure his job for next year. No excuses.

 

[jday]

The main point is that JG has a top QB where BP and Campo didn't; still resulting in 8-8 and no playoffs. Campo was a 5-11 coach without a franchise QB. It is easy to make the stretch that he also would make 8-8 records with a franchise QB (adding 3 wins). BP accomplished what he did with only Bledsoe resembling a starting QB, and he came in at the end of his tenure. You can attribute the positives in Garrett being the reason for the 3 win difference, or acknowledge that Romo could pull off 8 wins on a Campo team just as he is doing under Garrett.

Okay, I'll play this hypothetical out with you: First question, so what? Are you arguing that Garrett should be fired as a result? S

Second question, were would Belichick be without Tom Brady? Where would Mike McCarthy be without Aaron Rogers. Where would Pete Carroll be without Russell Wilson? One truth in the NFL that get's largely ignored by many fans because it can't be measured and therefore doesn't help certain agendas is there is alot of luck involved in this game - luck in drafting, luck in how the ball bounces, luck in free agency acquisitions both veteran and the undrafted variety and luck in avoiding the injury bug. So if you are simply making the argument that Garrett is luckier than Campo, fine - I might agree with you there. But if you are trying to make this comparison to drive the fire-Garrett agenda right away, I will have to respectfully disagree.

 

[visionary]

What happened to the three year plan of Garrett's? That timeline gets moved quite often as the years pass without improvement.

It has now conveniently morphed into "year 5 of a 6 year plan " and will change into "year 7 of a 10 year plan " soon enough

 

[BigStar]

Okay, I'll play this hypothetical out with you: First question, so what? Are you arguing that Garrett should be fired as a result? S

Second question, were would Belichick be without Tom Brady? Where would Mike McCarthy be without Aaron Rogers. Where would Pete Carroll be without Russell Wilson? One truth in the NFL that get's largely ignored by many fans because it can't be measured and therefore doesn't help certain agendas is there is alot of luck involved in this game - luck in drafting, luck in how the ball bounces, luck in free agency acquisitions both veteran and the undrafted variety and luck in avoiding the injury bug. So if you are simply making the argument that Garrett is luckier than Campo, fine - I might agree with you there. But if you are trying to make this comparison to drive the fire-Garrett agenda right away, I will have to respectfully disagree.

Oh yeah...JG could've been fired many times (having to bring in the OCs...even the DCs to an extent) and for failing in the final game of the season three years running. Games that the team could have avoided with better clock management and playcalling throughout the season. 2nd part...they have QBs like us, they are in the playoffs...not watching them?

 

[jday]

This is wrong, had they run the ball 3 times in a row in the 4th quarter against GB, instead of 3 time stopping incomplete passes, we win and that last game doesn't matter. Who was calling the plays?

And if you're crediting Garret with rebuilding the team, lets also gove him credit for the stupid contracts and dead money. Only in Dallas does it take 4 years to rebulild, and have no results. Rebuilding in today's NFL means dumping old players and dumb contracts, take your lumps for a year and be in the hunt for the playoffs the following year. You don't take 3 years to rebuild your OL, then 3 more years to rebuild you DL, and so forth. By the time you finish, its time to rebuild again.

I don't necessarily want Garrett gone at the end of the year, he has done some good things lately personnel wise, but its time for some significant improvement. He has had plenty of OJT, and nothing short of winning a playoff game should secure his job for next year. No excuses.

I certainly understand where your coming from, but Garrett was given the task to rebuild and still compete. As far as the top brass is concerned, there is no so thing as a complete rebuild. Having a losing season is unacceptable, so he had to do his rebuild slowly. Add to that the injury situations, poor execution by players, poor preperation be position coaches and coordinators, Jerry Jones meddling, a group of veteran players whose best days were behind them and, of course, Garrett's incompetence on certain gameday's and you have what we have seen: mediocrity.

The hope is Garrett has learned from his mistakes and with the offense completely out of his hands and in Linehan's, he should be able to focus on the clock management better. But here's the problem with your measuring stick in terms of rather or not he should keep his job: As I said in the OP, 1. alot can happen that will derail a season that has not thing to do with the Head Coach and 2. most of us are already predicting 8 and 8 or worse as a result of the lack of talent on defense, which also has nothing to do with the Head Coach. I've said it before, this team is rebuilding. I understand that someone in the NFL said it should only take 3 years, but there are exceptions to every rule. Having Jerry Jones as an Owner/GM is one hell of big exception, if you ask me...

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

You halfs to tell the Dolphins that, not us Cowboy fans.

You life in Farmers Branch yes? I can tell by your fine response and ouvre and breadth of your posts. Stick with me and we can change the world then the oil in my Yugo.

 

[jday]

Oh yeah...JG could've been fired many times (having to bring in the OCs...even the DCs to an extent) and for failing in the final game of the season three years running. Games that the team could have avoided with better clock management and playcalling throughout the season. 2nd part...they have QBs like us, they are in the playoffs...not watching them?

For your first question, last year the starting QB was injured, I don't think anyone expected him to win with what he had to work with on both sides of the ball, at that point. 2012, I only remember than being marred by injuries in that game, as well. If I'm not mistaken both Murray and Sean Lee were out for the season at that point. 2011, too far back to remember the details, but I did find who was on there final 53 that year and I can at least say since then our roster has improved, both in talent and youth.

For your second question, better gameday management, admittedly, and probably a little bit more luck as described in my original response.

 

[CCBoy]

Dang it if Farmer's Branch didn't inspire me to be the first to jump on the 10 win season for the Cowboys!

 

[big dog cowboy]

Garrett has done a complete overhaul on the team... COMPLETE... and he has never won fewer than 8 games. It is very difficult to do a complete rebuild and not bottom out.

JG will never get any credit for having 3 non-losing seasons in a row while rebuilding the roster. Great post.

 

[casmith07]

Garrett has led this offense for how long? He is now going on his 8th year. He has had a better team than Campo the last three years. But his record doesn't reflect this by much.

He has been head coach since part of 2010. He has gotten things he wanted in the draft and free agency.

Campo got the ridiculous drafts by Jones and free agency that made no sense, along with a cap strapped team.

And this is the crux of this argument against Garrett.

He has had an influence and better drafts and a better quarterback and still he only posts three more wins than Campo per year for three straight years.

Take Romo and put him on the Campo team and he would have matched Garrett's record with less, and may have even reached the play-offs.

That paradigm is a complete and utter rebuke of Garrett and his talents as head coach. The one guy hated more than any other head coach except Switzer - Campo -, and if you swapped one player from his team with Garrett's their records would be swapped as well.

I don't see this argument as obtuse. I cannot fathom why people are having difficulty with the premise unless this chips at personal agendas.

So this is a stealth Campo love post...or?

Seriously, man, this is all pure conjecture. I appreciate the effort, though you didn't answer any of the suppositions I posted.

 

[casmith07]

What happened to the three year plan of Garrett's? That timeline gets moved quite often as the years pass without improvement.

I'm not Garrett. I don't know what his plan was, or where it was quoted. I thought from the beginning it would take 3 years on both sides of the ball, based on the "rule of 3" with new/drafted/undrafted talent to develop.

I think we're maybe one more offseason and draft away from truly competing, though I think we could make some noise this year if the defense is improved and health is on our side for once.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

What a joke to claim that going into 2010, a team that returned virtually everyone from a division and playoff game winning team had to be rebuilt.

I guess Phillips was one great coach.

 

[Idgit]

What a joke to claim that going into 2010, a team that returned virtually everyone from a division and playoff game winning team had to be rebuilt.

I guess Phillips was one great coach.

Teams drop off regularly from one year to the next. What looked like a good team on paper started 1-7. We'd gotten old and expensive fast.

 

[CowboyDan]

What a joke to claim that going into 2010, a team that returned virtually everyone from a division and playoff game winning team had to be rebuilt.

I guess Phillips was one great coach.

Don't ya love when they try to have it both ways.

 

[CCBoy]

Not much of a fan for a burn barrel approach on perspectives...

 

[TwoDeep3]

Here we go with the suppositions again. "Troy must have been done the year before, or else my speculative argument doesn't hold." Well, yeah.

So, the next time you give me the Tony is the only reason we win line...I am calling you on it. Because that is speculation. And when you tell me this is a team, sport after you claim Tony is the reason...then I may call you out as double talk. M'kay? Just so were clear.

Because you slip and slide on subjects at times, playing both sides of the fe3nce.

 

[TwoDeep3]

So this is a stealth Campo love post...or?

Seriously, man, this is all pure conjecture. I appreciate the effort, though you didn't answer any of the suppositions I posted.

This is the ridiculousness of claiming Garrett is some maestro head coach. He might not even get a OC job if Jerry fired him.

 

[daveferr33]

We need a little perspective on the Great Rebuild.

I am now hearing that Garrett might need 5 or 6 years.

You all realize that John McKay took the expansion Buccaneers to the NFC championship game in the 5th year of its existence? Let that sink in. And then realize that he did so with the benefits of Free agency and with cheap ownership.

 

[Idgit]

So, the next time you give me the Tony is the only reason we win line...I am calling you on it. Because that is speculation. And when you tell me this is a team, sport after you claim Tony is the reason...then I may call you out as double talk. M'kay? Just so were clear.

Because you slip and slide on subjects at times, playing both sides of the fe3nce.

I don't think I claim Tony is the reason we win, because I'm always saying it's passing effectiveness differential that wins NFL football games and that requires an effective pass defense, too. You might be thinking of me saying Tony's not the reason we lose, though. But that's not the same thing.

Either way, yes, it's ok to call me on any double talk. I'm sure I'm guilty of some after 25k+ posts.