The defense will be better with Zeke

[jnday]

Like I said, who got drafted where doesn't change the truth. And it won't change what wins in the NFL.

I just hope we don't turn into the Detroit Lions of the 1990s, when their fans cared more about Barry Sanders' stats than they did about winning football games.

Give me the stat that shows the number of teams that run this offense , with this quality of olinemen with the capability of running the ball down the defense's throat. What I'd their winning percentage in the modern NFL?

 

[KJJ]

Not really. The truth hasn't changed in those 17 years, and there will always be people who can't accept the truth. It doesn't bother me a bit.

You're one of those who can't accept the truth.

 

[jnday]

Is it just me or did the Cowboys draft a blue chip defensive back in 2012 that made all kinds of difference?
Oh wait,they tried that already,did not work as desired.
Jalen Ramsey would only have had an impact if the other team made a mistake.How many picks did Jones had last year?
A donut.He played good,but was not a difference maker.Could have been if the team had scored more,but last year they were riddled with injuries,so he gets a reprieve.
With a dominant running game you dictate policy to other teams.That is what Zeke will do for you.
The 2014 formula was just that.Run the ball,wear out the opposing defense,build a lead,turn the other team one dimensional,blitz them.
12-4 was the end result.

Dallas has tons of resources upgrading the DBs over the years snd it didn't help the defense at all in none if the cases.DBs are only as good as the DL in front of them. Some posters are hung up on being right about their opinion of the value of RBs in the NFL. I am so sick if cherry picked stats that I could puke. There are stats to back up any opinion that a poster has. When stats override common sense, there is a problem. It is not being honest due to the individual differences in teams from year to year, game to game and in some cases, quarter to quarter. I have not liked many of the draft picks Dallas has made over the years and I don't like their approach to building a winning team. It doesn't matter. They need to get over it and move on.

 

[AdamJT13]

Give me the stat that shows the number of teams that run this offense , with this quality of olinemen with the capability of running the ball down the defense's throat. What I'd their winning percentage in the modern NFL?

Well, obviously, we'll be the greatest rushing team in the history of the earth, so everything that has ever happened in the NFL until this point is now irrelevant.

That's the only answer you'll accept, right? Because you obviously don't care about what happened with every other team with a dominant running back over the past 35-plus years. And every other team with a Pro Bowl running back and Pro Bowl quarterback. And every other team with any combination of talent at any other position. Nope, nothing that has ever happened is relevant anymore. Welcome to the new NFL.

Yeah, good luck with that.

 

[AdamJT13]

You're one of those who can't accept the truth.

That's hilarious coming from someone who keeps posting made-up stats.

 

[Rogerthat12]

We didn't rank No. 1 in time of possession that season (we were second), and your statement about the games we lost is false -- we lost to San Francisco and Green Bay despite having the advantage in time of possession. (We also beat the Rams and Giants despite losing the TOP battle.)

Incorrect, in 2014 we were the leaders of TOP. Your statement is false!

During the 2014 NFL season, the Dallas Cowboys led all teams in the NFL with a % of Possession of 54.69%. The Philadelphia Eagles were last in the league in % of Possession with 44.38%.

• Over the 2014 NFL season, the average % of Possession among NFL teams was 50.16. The top 5 NFL teams averaged a % of Possession of 45.58 while the bottom 5 teams averaged a % of Possession of 53.88.

1Dallas Cowboys3252554.69%

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-time-of-possession-statistics/2014/

Yes, the Cowboys won the time of possession with San Fran and Green Bay barely but failed to do both (TOP while scoring) which is qualified in my post.

Just so you know, in the loss, San Fran also had less net passing yards but the turnovers made the difference!

Four turnovers have a way of skewing the numbers, context matters!

In Green Bay, Dallas failed to score points which makes TOP meaningful for this team and failed at 3rd down conversion overall with Green Bay winning on 3rd down and in overall yards.

They failed to score points while dominating the TOP and lost the turnover battle (4) with San Fran which contextualizes the loss.

Further, the Arizona loss, Dallas lost the TOP. The Washington game, Dallas lost the TOP and lost. The Eagles Loss, Dallas Lost TOP. That is three losses out of 5 where we lost TOP and the game.

You are correct on the second Giants game but not the first but Dallas had the edge in rushing yards and it was a 3 point game.

In the Rams game, the Rams had 3 turnovers and it was a 3 point game as well.

The fact is overall, Dallas led TOP of all NFL teams in 2014 and you provided me with 2 losses out of 5 with advantage in TOP with the San Fran game having 4 turnovers by Dallas, weak sauce!

The discrepancy is in turnovers and failure to cash in on the TOP by scoring points.

Further, of the 2 wins where we won and lost TOP, we won the turn over battle in one (Rams) and both games were decided by 3 points.

You have raised the exception to the rule but failed miserably at looking at the full body of work.

Looking at the overall numbers and body of work, the Cowboys won the TOP for the majority and the game in general, you raised the exceptions but looking at the overall numbers, it supports my case.

1SunSeptember 7boxscoreL0-1San Francisco 49ers Won TOP but Lost Game: Had 4 turnovers!
2SunSeptember 14boxscoreW1-1@Tennessee Titans Won TOP and Won Game!
3SunSeptember 21boxscoreW2-1@St. Louis Rams Lost TOP but Won Game: Ram 3 turnover, 3 point win.
4SunSeptember 28boxscoreW3-1New Orleans Saints Won TOP and Won Game!
5SunOctober 5boxscoreWOT4-1Houston Texans Won TOP and Won Game!
6SunOctober 12boxscoreW5-1@Seattle Seahawks Won TOP and Won Game!
7SunOctober 19boxscoreW6-1New York Giants Won TOP and Won Game!
8MonOctober 27boxscoreLOT6-2Washington Commanders Lost TOP and Lost Game!
9SunNovember 2boxscoreL6-3Arizona Cardinals Lost TOP and Lost Game!
10SunNovember 9boxscoreW7-3@Jacksonville Jaguars Won TOP and Won Game!
11Bye Week
12SunNovember 23boxscoreW8-3@New York Giants Lost TOP Won Game!
13ThuNovember 27boxscoreL8-4Philadelphia Eagles Lost TOP and Lost Game!
14ThuDecember 4boxscoreW9-4@Chicago Bears Won TOP and Won Game!
15SunDecember 14boxscoreW10-4@Philadelphia Eagles Won TOP and Won Game!
16SunDecember 21boxscoreW11-4Indianapolis Colts Won TOP and Won Game!
17SunDecember 28boxscoreW12-4@Washington Commanders Won TOP and Won Game!
Playoffs
WildCardSunJanuary 4boxscoreW13-4Detroit Lions Won TOP and Won Game!
DivisionSunJanuary 11boxscoreL13-5@Green Bay Packers Won TOP and Lost Game!


11 games out of 18, Dallas won TOP and the game, this would mean the majority.

3 of their 5 losses they lost TOP and the Game which supports my case.

Out of the 2 losses where they won TOP and lost the game, one game had 4 Dallas turnovers.

Out of the two wins with loss of TOP, one game had 3 turnovers by the Rams.

Looks to me by the full body of work, that Dallas has success when winning the TOP while scoring overall notwithstanding turnovers or a lack of scoring points within this context.

The majority of wins were stacked with TOP dominance as stated!

 

[AdamJT13]

Incorrect, in 2014 we were the leaders of TOP. Your statement is false!

During the 2014 NFL season, the Dallas Cowboys led all teams in the NFL with a % of Possession of 54.69%. The Philadelphia Eagles were last in the league in % of Possession with 44.38%.

• Over the 2014 NFL season, the average % of Possession among NFL teams was 50.16. The top 5 NFL teams averaged a % of Possession of 45.58 while the bottom 5 teams averaged a % of Possession of 53.88.

1Dallas Cowboys3252554.69%

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-time-of-possession-statistics/2014/

Um, you realize that's a trashy spam site (possibly against forum rules to link to it) that doesn't even have accurate numbers ... right?

Of course not.

 

[KJJ]

That's hilarious coming from someone who keeps posting made-up stats.

I already told you I don't post made up stats I've posted what's been reported by the ones who get paid to cover the NFL and it's been reported numerous times that the Cowboys defense spent 12-13 fewer players on the field in 2014 than they did in 2013. If you think the number of plays that's being reported is off then do your own math and see what number you come up with. You seem to like wasting your time so go for it.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Um, you realize that's a trashy spam site (possibly against forum rules to link to it) that doesn't even have accurate numbers ... right?

Of course not.

You know attacking the site, is a logical fallacy correct?

Further, the numbers are correct on the site, it includes OT and the playoff games which the others do not but of course you would not know that would you?

Should I post each time of possession in each game for you, I am sure that will settle the matter.

11 games out of 18, Dallas won TOP and the game, this would mean the majority.

3 of their 5 losses they lost TOP and the Game which supports my case.

Out of the 2 losses where they won TOP and lost the game, one game had 4 Dallas turnovers.

Out of the two wins with loss of TOP, one game had 3 turnovers by the Rams.

Looks to me by the full body of work, that Dallas has success when winning the TOP while scoring overall notwithstanding turnovers or a lack of scoring points within this context.

The majority of wins were stacked with TOP dominance as stated!

 

[jnday]

Well, obviously, we'll be the greatest rushing team in the history of the earth, so everything that has ever happened in the NFL until this point is now irrelevant.

That's the only answer you'll accept, right? Because you obviously don't care about what happened with every other team with a dominant running back over the past 35-plus years. And every other team with a Pro Bowl running back and Pro Bowl quarterback. And every other team with any combination of talent at any other position. Nope, nothing that has ever happened is relevant anymore. Welcome to the new NFL.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Did the dominate rushing game of the 90's Cowboy teams make a difference? Did Thurmond Thomas make a difference for the Bills? I can go on and on, but you can not deny that RBs have made a big difference on some great teams. Elway could not win a Super Bowl and was known to choke until Davis came along. Where are the stats for those RBs success? All of these happened while your stats were being accumilated , but you are you really going to deny that they made a difference? I will accept any reasonable answer. It is not reasonable to dismiss the role RBs and the rushing games has played on the great teams throughout the history of this league.

 

[jnday]

Incorrect, in 2014 we were the leaders of TOP. Your statement is false!

During the 2014 NFL season, the Dallas Cowboys led all teams in the NFL with a % of Possession of 54.69%. The Philadelphia Eagles were last in the league in % of Possession with 44.38%.

• Over the 2014 NFL season, the average % of Possession among NFL teams was 50.16. The top 5 NFL teams averaged a % of Possession of 45.58 while the bottom 5 teams averaged a % of Possession of 53.88.

1Dallas Cowboys3252554.69%

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-time-of-possession-statistics/2014/

Yes, the Cowboys won the time of possession with San Fran and Green Bay barely but failed to do both (TOP while scoring) which is qualified in my post.

Just so you know, in the loss, San Fran also had less net passing yards but the turnovers made the difference!

Four turnovers have a way of skewing the numbers, context matters!

In Green Bay, Dallas failed to score points which makes TOP meaningful for this team and failed at 3rd down conversion overall with Green Bay winning on 3rd down and in overall yards.

They failed to score points while dominating the TOP and lost the turnover battle (4) with San Fran which contextualizes the loss.

Further, the Arizona loss, Dallas lost the TOP. The Washington game, Dallas lost the TOP and lost. The Eagles Loss, Dallas Lost TOP. That is three losses out of 5 where we lost TOP and the game.

You are correct on the second Giants game but not the first but Dallas had the edge in rushing yards and it was a 3 point game.

In the Rams game, the Rams had 3 turnovers and it was a 3 point game as well.

The fact is overall, Dallas led TOP of all NFL teams in 2014 and you provided me with 2 losses out of 5 with advantage in TOP with the San Fran game having 4 turnovers by Dallas, weak sauce!

The discrepancy is in turnovers and failure to cash in on the TOP by scoring points.

Further, of the 2 wins where we won and lost TOP, we won the turn over battle in one (Rams) and both games were decided by 3 points.

You have raised the exception to the rule but failed miserably at looking at the full body of work.

Looking at the overall numbers and body of work, the Cowboys won the TOP for the majority and the game in general, you raised the exceptions but looking at the overall numbers, it supports my case.

1SunSeptember 7boxscoreL0-1San Francisco 49ers Won TOP but Lost Game: Had 4 turnovers!
2SunSeptember 14boxscoreW1-1@Tennessee Titans Won TOP and Won Game!
3SunSeptember 21boxscoreW2-1@St. Louis Rams Lost TOP but Won Game: Ram 3 turnover, 3 point win.
4SunSeptember 28boxscoreW3-1New Orleans Saints Won TOP and Won Game!
5SunOctober 5boxscoreWOT4-1Houston Texans Won TOP and Won Game!
6SunOctober 12boxscoreW5-1@Seattle Seahawks Won TOP and Won Game!
7SunOctober 19boxscoreW6-1New York Giants Won TOP and Won Game!
8MonOctober 27boxscoreLOT6-2Washington Commanders Lost TOP and Lost Game!
9SunNovember 2boxscoreL6-3Arizona Cardinals Lost TOP and Lost Game!
10SunNovember 9boxscoreW7-3@Jacksonville Jaguars Won TOP and Won Game!
11Bye Week
12SunNovember 23boxscoreW8-3@New York Giants Lost TOP Won Game!
13ThuNovember 27boxscoreL8-4Philadelphia Eagles Lost TOP and Lost Game!
14ThuDecember 4boxscoreW9-4@Chicago Bears Won TOP and Won Game!
15SunDecember 14boxscoreW10-4@Philadelphia Eagles Won TOP and Won Game!
16SunDecember 21boxscoreW11-4Indianapolis Colts Won TOP and Won Game!
17SunDecember 28boxscoreW12-4@Washington Commanders Won TOP and Won Game!
Playoffs
WildCardSunJanuary 4boxscoreW13-4Detroit Lions Won TOP and Won Game!
DivisionSunJanuary 11boxscoreL13-5@Green Bay Packers Won TOP and Lost Game!


11 games out of 18, Dallas won TOP and the game, this would mean the majority.

3 of their 5 losses they lost TOP and the Game which supports my case.

Out of the 2 losses where they won TOP and lost the game, one game had 4 Dallas turnovers.

Out of the two wins with loss of TOP, one game had 3 turnovers by the Rams.

Looks to me by the full body of work, that Dallas has success when winning the TOP while scoring overall notwithstanding turnovers or a lack of scoring points within this context.

The majority of wins were stacked with TOP dominance as stated!

This is one of the most complete post on the subject that I have seen. There was no cherry-picking to support an agenda. Certain stats have been used , but it is obvious that certain ones was left out. This supports my view that stats are only part of a picture and no one star tells the whole story. I think humble pie will be the late night snack thank you. Of course, it will only be served after s mad scramble in ways to discredit the complete picture.

 

[Rogerthat12]

This is one of the most complete post on the subject that I have seen. There was no cherry-picking to support an agenda. Certain stats have been used , but it is obvious that certain ones was left out. This supports my view that stats are only part of a picture and no one star tells the whole story. I think humble pie will be the late night snack thank you. Of course, it will only be served after s mad scramble in ways to discredit the complete picture.

We won 11 of 18 games in 2014 by winning TOP while scoring points.

The exceptions are not the rule and even they are easily contextualized by turnovers, failure to convert 3rd downs and score points.

I never claimed TOP alone was the winning formula and clearly stated that scoring points was part of the recipe.

Numbers are ALWAYS interpreted and should reasonably and honestly find their context in the overall body of work!

We were the top NFL team in TOP in 2014 which takes into account the full body of work, playoff play and OT.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's funny. Adam points out how the winner in passing game wins 80% of the time as opposed to the coin flip you get with the running game and you guys try to point to minutiae as if that trumps the overarching reality.

 

[Idgit]

A complete waste of 17+ years. lol

KJJ. You're a dachshund barking at a pit bull here, and it's obvious to everybody who's not a dachshund.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You know attacking the site, is a logical fallacy correct?

Further, the numbers are correct on the site, it includes OT and the playoff games which the others do not but of course you would not know that would you?

Should I post each time of possession in each game for you, I am sure that will settle the matter.

11 games out of 18, Dallas won TOP and the game, this would mean the majority.

3 of their 5 losses they lost TOP and the Game which supports my case.

Out of the 2 losses where they won TOP and lost the game, one game had 4 Dallas turnovers.

Out of the two wins with loss of TOP, one game had 3 turnovers by the Rams.

Looks to me by the full body of work, that Dallas has success when winning the TOP while scoring overall notwithstanding turnovers or a lack of scoring points within this context.

The majority of wins were stacked with TOP dominance as stated!

This isn't a vacuum. The credibility of websites is very much so important. I found two sites that say we were not first. Adam has access to STATS database. Arguing with him about stats is a waste of time because he has better resources.

 

[Idgit]

It's funny. Adam points out how the winner in passing game wins 80% of the time as opposed to the coin flip you get with the running game and you guys try to point to minutiae as if that trumps the overarching reality.

Once people engage on a topic, more facts that they're wrong only make them dig in harder. There's never going to be an 'ah-ha' moment where they decide math is math and arguments to the contrary are exercises in how to publicly come to the wrong conclusion.

Which is fine. I guess it has to be since it won't change. I just hate watching the team do things that--at least on the surface--seem so contradictory to playing the odds. Who knows? Maybe we got the picks right. Three years from now we'll be able to look back and see if Dallas really did outperform the market with clever drafting, or if the CLE/TEN approach to stockpiling selections more likely to turn into players was the smarter way to go.

I know where my money's at.

 

[jnday]

This isn't a vacuum. The credibility of websites is very much so important. I found two sites that say we were not first. Adam has access to STATS database. Arguing with him about stats is a waste of time because he has better resources.

Here we go with the my stats are better than yours argument. When stats support an opinion, they are an end-all. When they don't support that view, they are not creditable. Unbelievable .

 

[jnday]

Once people engage on a topic, more facts that they're wrong only make them dig in harder. There's never going to be an 'ah-ha' moment where they decide math is math and arguments to the contrary are exercises in how to publicly come to the wrong conclusion.

Which is fine. I guess it has to be since it won't change. I just hate watching the team do things that--at least on the surface--seem so contradictory to playing the odds. Who knows? Maybe we got the picks right. Three years from now we'll be able to look back and see if Dallas really did outperform the market with clever drafting, or if the CLE/TEN approach to stockpiling selections more likely to turn into players was the smarter way to go.

I know where my money's at.

If Zeke is the RB that many feel he is ,and he rushes for over 100 yards in a game, Dallas will win 75% of those games. That should make you feel better at some level. Well, maybe not.

 

[Rogerthat12]

This isn't a vacuum. The credibility of websites is very much so important. I found two sites that say we were not first. Adam has access to STATS database. Arguing with him about stats is a waste of time because he has better resources.

Not really, I can show you the time of possession stats from any site but most do not include the playoff play and OT as this site does.

Most sites simply have regular season only, does not include OT and Playoff games which is the full body of work and true honesty and transparency.

Further, I can break it down game by game and demonstrate the time differential and you can not explain away how we won 11 of 18 games by TOP and point scoring, it is undeniable!

Here is another DallasNews article from last year, guess he has bad sources too...Front Brain Fuzzy!

Last season, the Cowboys were roundly praised for dominating the ball and limiting the exposure of their defense. It was a winning strategy, after all. Powered by the NFL's top rusher, DeMarco Murray, Dallas led the league in time of possession, finished with a 12-4 record in the regular season and made its first playoff appearance since 2009.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...ys-still-lead-nfl-time-possession-really-mean

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Here we go with the my stats are better than yours argument. When stats support an opinion, they are an end-all. When they don't support that view, they are not creditable. Unbelievable .

Adam gave reasons for the site not being credible and I didn't hear the part about confirmation bias.

STATS is the service the NFL and most major publications use. Adam does have access to it and most people don't. You can cry out your blanket dismissals but when you fail to address the points of an argument it makes you look pigheaded. Personally, I thank Adam for sharing what he has.