The Dez contract is probably going to be next on the list of terrible ones

[Picksix]

....is Romo in this category?

This year, I would have to say so. Overall, I would say no, just because you have to pay QB's that much these days.

 

[CATCH17]

As you can see now, how productive he is probably going to be contingent on what kinda QB he has here. The coaches have shown that they no idea how to help him get open, he's struggled to stay healthy and he hasn't been focused since he's been here. Having a good QB throwing making magic with him has been a cure all, but as we can probably see that's likely coming to an end. Romo's time is coming to a close and I'd like to sell you some ocean front property in Arizona if you have confidence that the Cowboys have any idea how to find another QB. So next year when whatever bum QB the Cowboys dig up to play after Romo gets injured again, they might as well shutdown Dez down then. If Dez isn't already injured himself.

Love Dez but I said the same thing when we signed him.


You can't pay a guy top dollar at that position and use him the way we use him.

 

[CATCH17]

That's the point. It isn't true. This year the team was just hit by a string of unbelievably impactful injuries. This team has enough talent to win a Championship when healthy. Nothing you can say will change my mind on that.

Do we have enough talent to just rely on nothing but talent in the playoffs?

That's what concerns me.


Dallas is really the only team in the league arrogant enough to think they will just show up and out athlete everyone.

 

[phildadon86]

It's been a bad year but I expect him to bounce back. He's just been over-hyped. He's not a top 5 wr even when healthy. He is a redzone monster though.

 

[perrykemp]

Do we have enough talent to just rely on nothing but talent in the playoffs?

That's what concerns me.

It's foolish to expect to win on talent alone in today's salary-cap mandated era of league wide parity.

Coaching along with QBs are the great differentiator.

 

[dallasdave]

I certainly don't and I wouldn't walk across the street for his autograph.

He's easily my most hated player on the roster.

 

[Nightman]

I know. But that wasnt my point.

IMO this offense does not need one star to be great. It works when all the pieces are in place.

A good example is Murray. He is no great back just a good one. Still the offense was great when he was in Dallas. But everything had to be in place. OL, QB, RB, WR and TE. But again no position had to be exceptional to function great as a whole.

The contract for Dez is ok - some teams would have paid him that much on the open market. To me its too much because i dont think that high of him.

• He lacks great hands
  
• he cant be used at every position (slot, because he lacks good routes)
  
• he can be taken out of the game by great CBs or double teams.

1-on1 and with the ball thrown to his strength he seems to be unstoppable. Thats when he looks great. But i demand more from a great WR.

To give him that contract as a Cowboys organisation was the wrong way. We dont need a player like Bryant to have a functional offense. We could have signed a WR for 20 mills less and had the same outcome. Then of course i know last years FA our bad salary cap situation over the last years and the way we drafted. The FO manouvered themselfs in a lose situation. The same way they did with Tony Romo.

But we had the Tag on him. We could have stayed with it even with bryant threatening to sit out the season. We could have taken another approach with him next year (contract wise) or draft his heir 2015 or 2016. There was no preassure to make a quick decission.

There were alot of possibilities to handle the bryant situation. The way we choose to handle it was player friendy but not the best from a franchise perspective.

If you don't think 90 catches 1300 yds and 14 TDs is worth the standard WR contract, you don't know enough about football to post about it in public.

 

[Frozen700]

Well, better get rid of him then because this offense and it's creativity is predicated on Tony Romo, nothing and no one else. If Tony is not there to coverup Garrett's warts, then no elite receiver will flourish in this offense.

Finally to the place where I believe last year was an anomaly.

Yeah I honestly believe it's best to let the man go. We don't know how to use talent.

We just line up our players and say "play"

 

[TwentyOne]

If you don't think 90 catches 1300 yds and 14 TDs is worth the standard WR contract, you don't know enough about football to post about it in public.

Bla bla bla.

I am not interessted in his opinion and he's still talking.

You dont understand and dont want to understand. Your bigoted by your opinion and not interessted in others. Thats ok with me. Just dont answer my posts i please you. You dont have the ability to give me anything i am looking for in a good conversation. So stick to the people who think you give them something by sharing your opinion.

 

[Nightman]

Bla bla bla.

I am not interessted in his opinion and he's still talking.

You dont understand and dont want to understand. Your bigoted by your opinion and not interessted in others. Thats ok with me. Just dont answer my posts i please you. You dont have the ability to give me anything i am looking for in a good conversation. So stick to the people who think you give them something by sharing your opinion.

Quit responding to me then. Leave that little {REPLY} button alone.

Even from a cap standpoint the Dez contract was a great deal for DAL. They were willing to pay him over 51m to franchise him 3 times. His cap hit in 2015 was going to be 12.7m.

After he signed the deal it was down to 7m. That is a cap savings of 5.7m.
When that is rolled over to next year it lowers his hit to 7.3m from 13m. That alone makes it a great deal.

Worst case scenario he is cut after 2017 and has a dead money hit of 4m. There is no way to rue this contract. That is why I am being short with you and your kind. Your criticism is based on something other than football. It is emotional or personal.

 

[kazzd58]

As you can see now, how productive he is probably going to be contingent on what kinda QB he has here. The coaches have shown that they no idea how to help him get open, he's struggled to stay healthy and he hasn't been focused since he's been here. Having a good QB throwing making magic with him has been a cure all, but as we can probably see that's likely coming to an end. Romo's time is coming to a close and I'd like to sell you some ocean front property in Arizona if you have confidence that the Cowboys have any idea how to find another QB. So next year when whatever bum QB the Cowboys dig up to play after Romo gets injured again, they might as well shutdown Dez down then. If Dez isn't already injured himself.

Soooo u just gonna totally ignore Dez was hurt for most of the season since game 1and came back waaaaay too early no off season was hurt training camp? #hindsight but ok

 

[PoundTheRock]

If he was that hurt he shouldn't have been out there playing.

 

[DandyDon52]

Dez showed up late, out of shape and overweight, then pulled a hamstring dunking over the goalposts.
That kept him from TC and PS.
Then he showed up for the 1st game not properly hydrated, and still out of shape.

That led to dehyration.
Then I blame the cowboys for putting him back in, as bones are affected by dehydration, and then he breaks his foot.
That led to being out for many games, and when he came back he was not the same as last year, but the truth is
he wasnt the same as last year from the very point he came back in TC.

So my point is that it was mostly Dez's fault, and also jones boys and coaches for the injury, late signing, and the sub par year.

Still Dez should have been ready for TC and ready for that 1st game, he says he doesnt need baby sitter, but this year suggests
he does.
Maybe he does better next year, just have to wait and see.

Part of earning his money is the off season and being ready for games, and he failed to do those.
He also did not play well in the some of the games he did play.
So he did not earn his money this year.

 

[Cmac]

This year, I would have to say so. Overall, I would say no, just because you have to pay QB's that much these days.

Wonder if restructuring deal ever came up for Romo?....simply to keep someone like DeMarco and ward off the chemistry destruction? Need the capoligists on this one.

 

[Picksix]

Wonder if restructuring deal ever came up for Romo?....simply to keep someone like DeMarco and ward off the chemistry destruction? Need the capoligists on this one.

I would doubt if it was. May have been mentioned, but doubt it was seriously considered. All you do when you restructure is increase the future cap hits. Don't know if you want to do that with a 36 year old who's had a lot of injuries.

I just don't think there was any way they were going to give Murray that kind of money.

 

[TwentyOne]

Wonder if restructuring deal ever came up for Romo?....simply to keep someone like DeMarco and ward off the chemistry destruction? Need the capoligists on this one.

You dont need a capologist you need someone with insight.

From a cap standpoint it never was an issue to sing him to an deal. We restructured Romo because of Dez and the signing of Hardy. To keep Murray we just needed to not sign Hardy.

To me from all i read Dallas was never willing to pay Murray that kind of money he got in Phily. From what i heard they were willing to pay something in the range of 6 mills/year (and not 5 years more of 3-4). That wasnt enough for Murray.

Let me also say something personal: I never considerd Murray worth more then 3-4 mills/year on a max. 3 year deal.

And another thing: I know this is a business and its about getting players. But this talk about Murray possibly returning to Dallas pisses me off. Not because its possible (his deal is too high for Phily to trade him in 2016). Just because even if this business is all about money, at least Dallas show some character here. This guy is only about money and now if you had the chance you metaphorical would kiss his rear to have him come back to us ? Let him rot in hell thats what i say!

Well, at least he's already there

 

[Cmac]

You dont need a capologist you need someone with insight.

From a cap standpoint it never was an issue to sing him to an deal. We restructured Romo because of Dez and the signing of Hardy. To keep Murray we just needed to not sign Hardy.

To me from all i read Dallas was never willing to pay Murray that kind of money he got in Phily. From what i heard they were willing to pay something in the range of 6 mills/year (and not 5 years more of 3-4). That wasnt enough for Murray.

Let me also say something personal: I never considerd Murray worth more then 3-4 mills/year on a max. 3 year deal.

And another thing: I know this is a business and its about getting players. But this talk about Murray possibly returning to Dallas pisses me off. Not because its possible (his deal is too high for Phily to trade him in 2016). Just because even if this business is all about money, at least Dallas show some character here. This guy is only about money and now if you had the chance you metaphorical would kiss his rear to have him come back to us ? Let him rot in hell thats what i say!

Well, at least he's already there

Picture is clearer.....Wouldn't do rear end kissing........not acceptable nor optional......just wondering if a restructure was an avenue, as related to Romo. Wanted to be sure he wasn't a selfish prima donna or as Parcells warned him......a celebrity QB. Cool.

 

[stilltheguru88]

I was 10 feet from bryant at training camp and didn't want his autograph. Is it ok for me to talk bad about him?

Yes.

 

[Cmac]

DEZ needs Tony !!!! Not just as QB but also as a leader !!!

Hasn't Romo failed at leadership??....excluding last year, he did a lot of leading in the boneheaded plays.

 

[Cmac]

This is actually a fair thing to bring up and I didn't even think of it. I can't say my expectations for Cole Beasley were very high, but he's been gutter trash too.

...and JWitten our hero?