The Dez contract is probably going to be next on the list of terrible ones

movaughn88

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Posting about the Cowboys short comings is therapeutic. There is zero reason to post about anything positive. I think a lot of people probably feel that way.

You know, I lumped you in a category that I didn't think I'd ever find my way to agree with, but you said something here that resonates. We are all disappointed, and I appreciate your honesty. I still won't agree with you (HA), but I understand more.

I feel like Wes Mantooth right now.
 

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Disagree. He'll get healthy and do good things next year.

Or I can over exaggerate and he say sucks and is immature because he gets into it with corners and has a pet monkey.
 

movaughn88

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I certainly don't and I wouldn't walk across the street for his autograph.

He's easily my most hated player on the roster.

Why do you hate him so much? Not trying to start an argument, I think all of us here are wallowing in bleh, but genuinely curious. He is a human being who's massively athletic and literally lives and breathes to play the game of football for his entire life, would fight with all his being to defend a teammate, and wants to be a Cowboy for life, plus makes some plays that could only be described as game winning one-on-ones.

I named positives, yes I realize there are negatives, he's immature, hot-headed (to detriment at times), and isn't the smartest guy on the field. Lot of receivers in that mold, no?

Why the hate?
 

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Why do you hate him so much? Not trying to start an argument, I think all of us here are wallowing in bleh, but genuinely curious. He is a human being who's massively athletic and literally lives and breathes to play the game of football for his entire life, would fight with all his being to defend a teammate, and wants to be a Cowboy for life, plus makes some plays that could only be described as game winning one-on-ones.

I named positives, yes I realize there are negatives, he's immature, hot-headed (to detriment at times), and isn't the smartest guy on the field. Lot of receivers in that mold, no?

Why the hate?

Because he's a high maintenance head case who doesn't apply himself to improving his game. He's a terrible route runner because he doesn't bother to work at it. He just wants to get by on athletic ability and get paid, dawg.

I didn't like him when we drafted him. I liked him a little less when he whined like a baby over the training camp rituals for rookies and I like him even less now.

He will not age gracefully. His career will end badly. I prefer it not be in Dallas.
 

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Why do you hate him so much? Not trying to start an argument, I think all of us here are wallowing in bleh, but genuinely curious. He is a human being who's massively athletic and literally lives and breathes to play the game of football for his entire life, would fight with all his being to defend a teammate, and wants to be a Cowboy for life, plus makes some plays that could only be described as game winning one-on-ones.

I named positives, yes I realize there are negatives, he's immature, hot-headed (to detriment at times), and isn't the smartest guy on the field. Lot of receivers in that mold, no?

Why the hate?

"look at me, look at me"
 

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Because he's a high maintenance head case who doesn't apply himself to improving his game. He's a terrible route runner because he doesn't bother to work at it. He just wants to get by on athletic ability and get paid, dawg.

I didn't like him when we drafted him. I liked him a little less when he whined like a baby over the training camp rituals for rookies and I like him even less now.

He will not age gracefully. His career will end badly. I prefer it not be in Dallas.

He's not Jerry Rice, yes. He works on his body which makes him win 1v1's (see recent Moore passing TD vs Revis, and numerous jump balls in past etc). I don't want him to be a technician, I want him to be a monster. I get your point, you get a Fitzgerald type who possesses a shade of his athleticism but point perfect routes, and it's gold. But I love the physicality he brings and it literally makes me tear up when he makes plays. Thus I give away my bias. This is not a critique, dawg, but his draft night was one of the most exciting memories as a Cowboys fan (36, too lil for 90s SBs) that I can imagine. Most of the rest revolve around him. So it's hard to imagine a Cowboys junkie disliking him.

You gave away your bias though maybe when you say you didn't like drafting him. He was a dominant college WR. And I don't think guys like him should do ship for anyone when they are a rook.

I think he will age better than you think. I believe he's certainly worth the money the next few years making under what the #1WR will be paid in this market.
 

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Unfortunately, if you want to keep or get good talent, you have to pay for it. I think you'll see that the majority of big money players don't play to their contracts. Every team gets saddled with bad ones.

....is Romo in this category?
 

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It is because your statement is so nonsensical and sounded like a child throwing a temper tantrum.

Dez was coming off 3 of the best 3 years a WR could have. Every single team would re-sign him.

Fist i didnt ask you to explain why you gave me that kind of answer. So you dont have to answer it (and honestly i dont care neither, thats why i didnt ask).

Second "every team would re-sign him" is no argument. Its just another way to have the last word in a conversation with no intention to understand a different kind of view.
To be able to make such a statement you have to know every team and have evidence to show for. So please post your insider information (if you need HDD space to upload your copied team documents just ask).

Third: To me its fitting that you try to use my own characterisation of you. Its the same way you argue: "Im not childish buhuhu ... YOU are childish buhuhu.". WOW, now you have me convinced!
Thats uncreative and its boring to read. Please stop insulting my intelligence with such posts.

If you want to start a conversation i may suggest you stop your personal offense. Back away from posting your black/white opinions - they are not true and they wont be any more true just because you treat them like they are facts. If you want to start a conversation try something like "In my opinion... " or " the way i see it...". Try to understand why others write something, what they want to say - even if they dont use the words you expected them to use. PLEASE dont be so blinkered - be open minded or at least try to be.

And my last point is: You don't give a WR like Dez Bryant a 70 mill contract!
 

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It's one season. There's nothing more to say than that. Don't overreact to a single bad season. It happens
 

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He's not Jerry Rice, yes. He works on his body which makes him win 1v1's (see recent Moore passing TD vs Revis, and numerous jump balls in past etc). I don't want him to be a technician, I want him to be a monster. I get your point, you get a Fitzgerald type who possesses a shade of his athleticism but point perfect routes, and it's gold. But I love the physicality he brings and it literally makes me tear up when he makes plays. Thus I give away my bias. This is not a critique, dawg, but his draft night was one of the most exciting memories as a Cowboys fan (36, too lil for 90s SBs) that I can imagine. Most of the rest revolve around him. So it's hard to imagine a Cowboys junkie disliking him.

You gave away your bias though maybe when you say you didn't like drafting him. He was a dominant college WR. And I don't think guys like him should do ship for anyone when they are a rook.

I think he will age better than you think. I believe he's certainly worth the money the next few years making under what the #1WR will be paid in this market.

If Dez doesnt become significantly better at his route running/technique then he will age terribly, because his physical skills will decline.
 

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It is a pretty standard top 5 WR deal.

I know. But that wasnt my point.

IMO this offense does not need one star to be great. It works when all the pieces are in place.

A good example is Murray. He is no great back just a good one. Still the offense was great when he was in Dallas. But everything had to be in place. OL, QB, RB, WR and TE. But again no position had to be exceptional to function great as a whole.

The contract for Dez is ok - some teams would have paid him that much on the open market. To me its too much because i dont think that high of him.
  • He lacks great hands
  • he cant be used at every position (slot, because he lacks good routes)
  • he can be taken out of the game by great CBs or double teams.
1-on1 and with the ball thrown to his strength he seems to be unstoppable. Thats when he looks great. But i demand more from a great WR.

To give him that contract as a Cowboys organisation was the wrong way. We dont need a player like Bryant to have a functional offense. We could have signed a WR for 20 mills less and had the same outcome. Then of course i know last years FA our bad salary cap situation over the last years and the way we drafted. The FO manouvered themselfs in a lose situation. The same way they did with Tony Romo.

But we had the Tag on him. We could have stayed with it even with bryant threatening to sit out the season. We could have taken another approach with him next year (contract wise) or draft his heir 2015 or 2016. There was no preassure to make a quick decission.

There were alot of possibilities to handle the bryant situation. The way we choose to handle it was player friendy but not the best from a franchise perspective.
 
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He better have a Antonio Brown like season next year. If not, it's time to move on.

Why keep a guy, who

A. We don't use correctly, and pay him so much

And

B. We pay so much to, and he barely takes over games.

Waste of space and time
 

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I've trashed on Dez all season. Look there's no excuses. But I was 100% behind signing him. He will have all off season, all camp and all preseason to get better. he'll be alright fellas, drop the pitch forks.

Pretty much how I feel as well. Seems like there's a camp on here who think Dez can do no wrong, and a group that bashes him at every opportunity and treat him like a JAG. The truth is somewhere in the middle. The dude is a beast, but he has seriously underperformed this year and deserves the criticism he has gotten.
 

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I disagree. He'll be fine moving forward.

This year is a wash for the team, sadly.
A full offseason, with no contract issues, and hopefully a healthy Romo will get Dez back on track to being a top 5 WR
 

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He better have a Antonio Brown like season next year. If not, it's time to move on.

Why keep a guy, who

A. We don't use correctly, and pay him so much

And

B. We pay so much to, and he barely takes over games.

Waste of space and time

Well, better get rid of him then because this offense and it's creativity is predicated on Tony Romo, nothing and no one else. If Tony is not there to coverup Garrett's warts, then no elite receiver will flourish in this offense.

Finally to the place where I believe last year was an anomaly.
 
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