The DT Position

[CF74]

This defense needs a Bob Lilly Randy White Consistent Disruption on the line, and we need a Harvey Martin DeMarcus Ware on the end. And we need Everson Walls, a Benny Barnes tweeter on the corner. And let's not forget Michael Downs, Waters or Woody back there...

Started drinking early

 

[waving monkey]

I need to study more games, but I don't see any of them as 1st round picks. Maybe 2nd for McDowell and 3rd or later for the other two.
The interesting thing that all 3 have in common is that they often line up really close to the line. On many snaps they would be considered off-sides in the NFL. You can see some snaps where their head appears to be over the ball.

McDowell - Maybe he can hold up at DT but it's definitely a question mark. If he is a DE, then he is probably way down the list in this draft.

Brantley - Not really a high energy type player, at least not consistently. Tends to lose sight of the RB.

Jones - Good size with better than average quickness for a 1-tech type. Medical and lack of production points to somewhere around the 4th round, IMO.

If Maliek Collins was in this draft, I would have him rated ahead of all three of these guys.

Where do you rate Montraveous Adams. I've only started watching college players at the Senior Bowl and he draw praise frequently with comments like "man among boys"

 

[RS12]

FWIW Broaddus tweet yesterday, doesnt think they draft DT first three rounds.

 

[stilltheguru88]

FWIW Broaddus tweet yesterday, doesnt think they draft DT first three rounds.

That's unfortunate.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

FWIW Broaddus tweet yesterday, doesnt think they draft DT first three rounds.

Given all the misinformation he has reported over the years, what he claims has at best an even chance of being right.

The brass at VR treat him like a mushroom: keep him in the dark and feed him ****.

 

[dogunwo]

Absolutely.

A difference maker to pair with Collins would be just as impactful as an edge. Pressure does not have to come from the outside. Inside pressure is just as crucial.

Last night's game showed the Falcons could not generate much pressure outside, most of it came right up the middle.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think we should resign McClain and go with him and Thornton again. Thornton should be better in his second year in a 4-3 and make for a very good rotation.

I am not locked into the edge at all. I am not overly impressed with the DE that are going to be available at the end of the 1st. If a guy like Jordan Willis is going to be available later then I'd prefer to take advantage of the depth at the position than overdraft the dregs of the top tier.

We need corners and WR as well. I don't bother watching those guys until the combine.

I think I might like an OT or TE over the edge guys that are going to be there at 28.

 

[Alexander]

Last night's game showed the Falcons could not generate much pressure outside, most of it came right up the middle.

Short passing games like the Patriots can neutralize edge rushing. But players like Brady thrive when they can step up in the pocket to buy time.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

I think we should resign McClain and go with him and Thornton again. Thornton should be better in his second year in a 4-3 and make for a very good rotation.

I am not locked into the edge at all. I am not overly impressed with the DE that are going to be available at the end of the 1st. If a guy like Jordan Willis is going to be available later then I'd prefer to take advantage of the depth at the position than overdraft the dregs of the top tier.

We need corners and WR as well. I don't bother watching those guys until the combine.

I think I might like an OT or TE over the edge guys that are going to be there at 28.

I agree with this, but people around here will lose their **** if we don't go defense in the first round.

McClain is an under-the-radar high quality DT. Thornton got better as the season progressed. And the DE top tier will likely be gone at 28, but there are a number of quality guys that should be around in the second and even third rounds. I think the best chance for a stud defensive player to get to 28 would be at DB. My hunch is the top rated players available at 28 will be TE and WR.

 

[RS12]

I think I might like an OT or TE over the edge guys that are going to be there at 28.

I am all for drafting by far BPA on the board. If that is Bolles or Njoku, I'd rather have them instead of the 6th best pass rusher left on their board at 28. I think a starting corner could be found rounds 2-4.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Short passing games like the Patriots can neutralize edge rushing. But players like Brady thrive when they can step up in the pocket to buy time.

Speed rushers sure. Speed to power and power rushers who can sharpen the angle not so much.

 

[BAT]

Don't care about his rankings. Watch his tape and show me where he beats o lineman with either a pass rush move or bending around the edge. I'll wait...

I've watched all of his games on draft breakdown but here's a highlight of his best plays of 2016 and the very last play is the only 1 I see of him demonstrating a pass rush of a 1st round DE. Said it before, but Takk reminds me a ton of Lawrence. Athletic and has an above average 1st step, but what else? I don't see anything else, besides the fact that he does have a good motor, from Takk.

Like Takk, but Haason Reddick is the superior player and playmaker, our very own Von Miller:



Overview
Reddick's athleticism has blossomed over the past two seasons for the Owls. The former high school running back and safety showed flashes as a pass rusher in his redshirt freshman (14 tackles, four for loss, one sack) and sophomore (23 tackles, seven TFL, 1.5 sacks) seasons. Reddick and teammate Dion Dawkins got into trouble for an assault outside a Philadelphia nightclub in March 2015, but was not suspended. He was selected for honorable mention All-American Athletic Conference honors that year, starting 12 times, making 45 tackles, 12.5 for loss, and five sacks. The Camden, New Jersey native garnered first-team all-conference recognition for head coach Matt Rhule as a senior, finishing third in the nation with 22.5 tackles for loss and leading the Owls with 10.5 sacks.

Analysis
Strengths
Explosive, quick-twitch athlete. Great flexibility with loose hips to turn, twist, and chase. Excellent reactive quickness and change-of-direction agility. Dynamic playmaker in space. Locks onto targets and instantly accelerates to the ball. Finished 2016 regular season with 21.5 tackles for loss. Fluid mover around field. Has chase range over extended territory. Eyes work past blockers and into backfield. Slips and slides around the edge and through small creases. Always working feet into improved positioning after contact. Came in as a defensive back and has experience on all three levels. Has athleticism in space and necessary instincts to be legit cover talent as linebacker. Rushes with good bend and forward lean. Difficult to handle on tackle/end twists back inside. Turns corner with tight track to quarterback once he pries the edge open.
Weaknesses
Undersized by NFL standards for position he's currently playing. Labors to disengage once size is on top of him. Will need more play strength to ward off NFL blockers. Improving with hands, but needs to continue technique work to control blockers. Lacks necessary bulk, length, and play strength to set a strong edge as an NFL 3-4 outside linebacker. Marginal speed-to-power ability. Connects and sticks to tackles when trying to bull-rush under their pads. Pass rush reliant upon athletic talent and cursory hand play. Needs more diversified rush plans. Slides off of too many tackles. Missed 16 tackles over final two seasons at Temple. Needs to chest-up and run feet through contact. Played in fewer than 70 percent of team's defensive snaps.
NFL Comparison
Ryan Shazier
Bottom Line
Injuries limited Reddick to just four games over last two years of high school, forcing him to walk on at Temple. The Owls staff helped him unlock his explosive athletic traits on the field, which resulted in three forced fumbles, 9.5 sacks and 21.5 tackles for loss in 2016. Reddick's speed and athleticism might give him a greater shot at impacting the game as a 3-4 inside linebacker or a 4-3 WILL rather than trying to bulk up and play the edge. An ascending prospect with a high-end potential if he can continue to hone his craft.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/haason-reddick?id=2557887

 

[BAT]

oh really? thats great. He along with Collins could give us that very disruptive interior for the next 10 years.

Compared to a lesser Sheldon Rankins. Rankins is available to be signed outright. More expensive but that 2nd or 3rd round pick could go towards a more productive playmaker IMO. This draft is not as deep at DT imo. Dallas needs to go after value and proven playmaking, especially early in the draft. Save the projects for later, window to contend is now. Need guys who can contribute next season. 2-3 years from now anything can happen.

 

[xwalker]

Where do you rate Montraveous Adams. I've only started watching college players at the Senior Bowl and he draw praise frequently with comments like "man among boys"

He has a lot of talent but his effort was often lacking in games.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

I don't see the interior of our D-line nearly as wanting as I do the perimeter. Malik Collins was a pleasant surprise. He has a very quick first step, & showed a great swim move to get free. His intensity is what I really like. He has several veterans like Terrell McClain, Cedric Thorton, & Ty Crawford to look at on how to conduct himself. Crawford played out of position at DE in 2016. That, & his being dinged up showed in his lack of productivity. I want to see them keep David Irving at LDE. Tapper has yet to show what he can do, but there is little else as far as the edge. Lawrence is a bit of a head case, Mayowa is not an every down player, & Gregory should be gone for good. That's why I feel we need to focus on edge rushers & DBs the 1st four picks. Aside from surprising CB Anthony Brown who has a ton to learn about getting burned deep, & slot guy Orlando Scandrick, we will have very little to count on with the corners come OTAs.

 

[RandyOh]

He has a lot of talent but his effort was often lacking in games.

I Think NFL.com has his pro comp as Nick Fairley because of his effort. Their is something up with these very talented Auburn DTs.

 

[RandyOh]

Compared to a lesser Sheldon Rankins. Rankins is available to be signed outright. More expensive but that 2nd or 3rd round pick could go towards a more productive playmaker IMO. This draft is not as deep at DT imo. Dallas needs to go after value and proven playmaking, especially early in the draft. Save the projects for later, window to contend is now. Need guys who can contribute next season. 2-3 years from now anything can happen.

I'm just looking at all options. Those who are just throwing DT's out the window because in their mind we need DE, CB, & WR in this years draft in that exact order no compromises are being silly.

 

[blindzebra]

We want to have Irving at the 3-tech, he just needs to play more consistently.

 

[Sydla]

I am all for drafting by far BPA on the board. If that is Bolles or Njoku, I'd rather have them instead of the 6th best pass rusher left on their board at 28. I think a starting corner could be found rounds 2-4.

Again if the 6th best pass rusher is better than the 1st TE or OL, you take the DE. Where the DE ranks amongst his peers is meaningless.

 

[Sydla]

Just hope someone like Jaron Jones slips to the 4th round. I'd run to the podium if he's there.