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[CowboyRoy]

We got lucky with Dak. Anyone arguing otherwise CONVENIENTLY forgets we WERE GOING TO TAKE COOK if he was there. Had THAT happened no Dak. We were also looking hard at others as well. We passed FOUR TIMES on Dak; so claiming that we were set on him is BS.

We passed on Dak and took Tapper with our first 4th round pick. Enough said.

 

[Diehardblues]

If you think Garrett manages the cap and you think that he picks the players and manages the roster then its quite clear you dont know how things work around here.

I'm saying he's influencing those decisions.

 

[diefree666]

I think as regards coaching we could certainly do better than Red Ball.
HOWEVER the fact is that any coach we get has to be able to get along with Jerry and that is a big problem.
Considering that limitation, I think Red Ball is about the best we can do.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm saying he's influencing those decisions.

Sure, just like all the other coaches or anyone in the front office does. The change in FA philosophy is clearly Stephen Jones. The change in drafting philosophy is clearly McClay. THAT was when this thing started getting better. When Stephen and McClay started handling the scouting and smart drafting combination. From what I have read on Garrett is that he was instrumental in getting the scouting department and the coaching staff to communicate better on what it is they are looking for. I also know that Garrett wanted Linehan to come in and be the OC. Outside of those two things, its a mystery as to what Garrett really does other than administrate, clock management, motivate, and do press conferences.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think as regards coaching we could certainly do better than Red Ball.
HOWEVER the fact is that any coach we get has to be able to get along with Jerry and that is a big problem.
Considering that limitation, I think Red Ball is about the best we can do.

This is the lame duck, low standard theory that infests many a Cowboy fan. And it couldnt be further from the truth. There are plenty of coaches out there that understand football and game management better than Garrett that would come here.

 

[Diehardblues]

Sure, just like all the other coaches or anyone in the front office does. The change in FA philosophy is clearly Stephen Jones. The change in drafting philosophy is clearly McClay. THAT was when this thing started getting better. When Stephen and McClay started handling the scouting and smart drafting combination. From what I have read on Garrett is that he was instrumental in getting the scouting department and the coaching staff to communicate better on what it is they are looking for. I also know that Garrett wanted Linehan to come in and be the OC. Outside of those two things, its a mystery as to what Garrett really does other than administrate, clock management, motivate, and do press conferences.

Examine when these changes starting occurring.
Stephen had been here as long as Jerry.

You have the time frame correct just not pointing the arrow in the right direction. Stephen has been in allegiance with Garrett helping to influence Jerry. Perhaps Garrett has Jerry's ear and the support Stephen needed to finally push a means he was never ever to succeed with his father before Jason became HC.

Garrett also wanted Marinelli who he worked with at Atlanta.

You've allowed yourself to be influenced fed by the national media much like with Romo.

 

[diefree666]

This is the lame duck, low standard theory that infests many a Cowboy fan. And it couldnt be further from the truth. There are plenty of coaches out there that understand football and game management better than Garrett that would come here.

Not so sure about that. When Jerry finally fired wade there was a lot of talk about how few experienced coaches wanted anything to do with Jerry and the boys.

Yeah young coaches would be willing to try but they were unproven. We could just as easily find worse then Red Ball when looking at it that way.

 

[Diehardblues]

Garrett is finally receiving his due and much more respected by the rest of the league than some of its fans no doubt with his COY recognition.

No surprise since many of these fans didn't see Romo's impact as well influenced by the national media rhetoric that casual and highlite fans often are.

 

[diefree666]

Garrett is finally receiving his due and much more respected by the rest of the league than some of its fans no doubt with his COY recognition.

No surprise since many of these fans didn't see Romo's impact as well influenced by the national media rhetoric that casual and highlite fans often are.

COY really does not mean much; look at how many COY's over the years have been fired not long after winning it. I have no idea how much Red Ball is respected by other coaches; might be more because he puts up with Jerry so well.

 

[Diehardblues]

COY really does not mean much; look at how many COY's over the years have been fired not long after winning it. I have no idea how much Red Ball is respected by other coaches; might be more because he puts up with Jerry so well.

No one expects anyone to have much success with Jerry.

Garrett was pursued by Baltimore and Atlanta as OC. His stock has risen joining Tom and Jimmy as only Cowboy HC to win the award.

A few on field blunders early in his career doesn't define a career only by fans who are heavily influenced by the national media and rhetoric much like with Romo.

You believe that by sheer coincidence when Garrett became HC that after all of these years with Jerry Stephen suddenly became a brilliant Cap manager? Ok then..lol

 

[Dodger12]

If you don't believe in superstitions you've never been involved with competitive sports or close to athletes.

Truth is we drafted him to be a development at best. Our intention was never for him to start at least this soon in his career.

Your certainly entitled to your own thoughts but I feel very comfortable with mine,

Again it's an attempt to discredit the messenger because you don't like the message.

Don't bother to discuss or debate a topic with some folks. They will just resort to the typical name calling or tell you to go root for another team, etc. They have the same responses in every thread and all they need to do is cut and paste.

And you're right, some of these folks have never been involved in organized sports. Thus, they don't understand the importance of leadership and the impact of undermining your coach has on a team.

To add to your point, these guys developed Dak so well that he'd still be on the bench had Kellen Moore not gotten hurt. That may have been the biggest stroke of "luck" in the franchise's history. And I don't say that to mean I'm glad he got hurt. But only that Moore's misfortune was Dak and the team's fortune, in a sense.

 

[Dodger12]

We got lucky with Dak. Anyone arguing otherwise CONVENIENTLY forgets we WERE GOING TO TAKE COOK if he was there. Had THAT happened no Dak. We were also looking hard at others as well. We passed FOUR TIMES on Dak; so claiming that we were set on him is BS.

Cook and Paxton Lynch. Jerry lamented on not giving up more to move up to take Lynch in the 1st.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Examine when these changes starting occurring.
Stephen had been here as long as Jerry.

You have the time frame correct just not pointing the arrow in the right direction. Stephen has been in allegiance with Garrett helping to influence Jerry. Perhaps Garrett has Jerry's ear and the support Stephen needed to finally push a means he was never ever to succeed with his father before Jason became HC.

Garrett also wanted Marinelli who he worked with at Atlanta.

You've allowed yourself to be influenced fed by the national media much like with Romo.

I could care less about the media. I make my own observations. Stephen has been gaining more influence the last 10 years. That is the natural progression as Jerry gets older. McClay is the big addition and the big reason for the draft and influx of talent. Stephen talking Jerry out of the QB and into taking the OL is a perfect example. We can see quite clearly that Garrett has little control over personnel as the Cowboys continue to draft and sign guys that have character issued when Garrett continues to laughably say that he wants RKG's. Its quite clear they dont listen to him.

When Garrett got here, he was not allowed to even pick his coordinators. It was not until a few years that Jerry allowed him to pick Linehan for example. That is after Jerry stripped of the play calling and then the offense much to the dismay of Garrett himself.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Not so sure about that. When Jerry finally fired wade there was a lot of talk about how few experienced coaches wanted anything to do with Jerry and the boys.

Yeah young coaches would be willing to try but they were unproven. We could just as easily find worse then Red Ball when looking at it that way.

I dont see it that way. I see Garrett as about as bad as it gets as a head coach. At lease we both agree that Garrett is nothing special.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm saying he's influencing those decisions.

Jerry would actually be better off if he actually listened to Garrett more when it came to RKG's. I like the theory, but Jerry doesnt care.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No one expects anyone to have much success with Jerry.

Garrett was pursued by Baltimore and Atlanta as OC. His stock has risen joining Tom and Jimmy as only Cowboy HC to win the award.

A few on field blunders early in his career doesn't define a career only by fans who are heavily influenced by the national media and rhetoric much like with Romo.

You believe that by sheer coincidence when Garrett became HC that after all of these years with Jerry Stephen suddenly became a brilliant Cap manager? Ok then..lol

Early career blunders? LOL What about the on field blunder in clock management last year and his team getting down by 17 quickly in a must win playoff game? Garrett continues to make the same dumb blunders he always did when actually given something to do. And is it any coincidence that the offense took off and the run game took off the moment Garrett was kicked to the curb and Linehan was given control of the offense?

 

[Diehardblues]

I could care less about the media. I make my own observations. Stephen has been gaining more influence the last 10 years. That is the natural progression as Jerry gets older. McClay is the big addition and the big reason for the draft and influx of talent. Stephen talking Jerry out of the QB and into taking the OL is a perfect example. We can see quite clearly that Garrett has little control over personnel as the Cowboys continue to draft and sign guys that have character issued when Garrett continues to laughably say that he wants RKG's. Its quite clear they dont listen to him.

When Garrett got here, he was not allowed to even pick his coordinators. It was not until a few years that Jerry allowed him to pick Linehan for example. That is after Jerry stripped of the play calling and then the offense much to the dismay of Garrett himself.

I agree that some of the risk definitely have Jerry's stamp on them and why the process and progress has been so slow.

But blaming Garrett for the bad and not crediting him for the good is the same agenda in this not wanting to credit Jerry with better decisions.

I'm not sure where this Stephen with more control begun. Is there an official link or just opinions ?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Garrett is finally receiving his due and much more respected by the rest of the league than some of its fans no doubt with his COY recognition.

No surprise since many of these fans didn't see Romo's impact as well influenced by the national media rhetoric that casual and highlite fans often are.

How do you figure Garrett is getting his due? He gets reamed by the media and fan base like he always does. COTY is a team success award, nothing more. Garrett did some good things last year, but he pretty much fell into them. And the team had an incredible year. The award is a reflection of the team and then the situation with Dak. He was the obvious choice for what the award is typically awarded to.

 

[Diehardblues]

Early career blunders? LOL What about the on field blunder in clock management last year and his team getting down by 17 quickly in a must win playoff game? Garrett continues to make the same dumb blunders he always did when actually given something to do. And is it any coincidence that the offense took off and the run game took off the moment Garrett was kicked to the curb and Linehan was given control of the offense?

Actually I credit Romo's injury for discovering the running game. I'm not sure we give Murray all of those carries unless we're protecting Romo?

 

[Diehardblues]

How do you figure Garrett is getting his due? He gets reamed by the media and fan base like he always does. COTY is a team success award, nothing more. Garrett did some good things last year, but he pretty much fell into them. And the team had an incredible year. The award is a reflection of the team and then the situation with Dak. He was the obvious choice for what the award is typically awarded to.

I can't remember last time I watched or listened to the national media on the Cowboys so couldn't say.