The Garrett bashing is trite, tired, and lacking in truth

[LandryFan]

Looking around the NFL not every team nor most teams are dealing with injuries to starting QB as well as one of the top WR in the entire NFL, missing as many player as we have on defense.

Dallas is still out there to win and Garrett will be judge as all coaches are, however most sensible people will do so based on the season not 2 games. There was no doubt things would alter when playing a backup QB and not having a top weapon like Dez. Hell I watched SB caliber team like the Cowboys not win when Emmitt Smith was out of the game. 1 player just 1 player and yet the mighty Johnson could not win and Garrett is getting this crap from a fan base when the QB is out, the WR is out and top players on the defense are out?

How many games did Indy win when Peyton went down? I'm pretty sure they ended up with the first pick in the draft. Losing good players will cause that. The thing is, teams have a finite number of dollars to spend on a roster. This year that number is about $143.3M. That averages out to about $2.7M per player. For every dollar over the average you give to one player, you must give another $1 less. When your high dollar players go down, you're left with the low dollar players. That's an oversimplification, but it's also meaningful when looking at the big picture.

 

[Doomsday101]

How many games did Indy win when Peyton went down? I'm pretty sure they ended up with the first pick in the draft. Losing good players will cause that. The thing is, teams have a finite number of dollars to spend on a roster. This year that number is about $143.3M. That averages out to about $2.7M per player. For every dollar over the average you give to one player, you must give another $1 less. When your high dollar players go down, you're left with the low dollar players. That's an oversimplification, but it's also meaningful when looking at the big picture.

Very true. However Peyton never returned and frankly not a lot of talent across the board. I think Cowboys do have a lot of talent and defensively that talent is about to return. After this game even more will return hopefully a big one on offense in Dez.

 

[foofighters]

I need someone to be pissed at and since we have so many Weeden apologists, who else does that leave?

 

[LandryFan]

Very true. However Peyton never returned and frankly not a lot of talent across the board. I think Cowboys do have a lot of talent and defensively that talent is about to return. After this game even more will return hopefully a big one on offense in Dez.

For sure. I wasn't meaning to say we're done for the year, only pointing out how the loss of a single key player can impact a team (and fans' opinion of a coach). Thankfully, we'll get some of our talent back this Sunday, with more coming soon after. It's going to seem like a lifetime before we get Romo back.

 

[Doomsday101]

For sure. I wasn't meaning to say we're done for the year, only pointing out how the loss of a single key player can impact a team (and fans' opinion of a coach). Thankfully, we'll get some of our talent back this Sunday, with more coming soon after. It's going to seem like a lifetime before we get Romo back.

Sure injuries matter. We all say injuries are no excuse but injuries matter especially when talking top players. In the 90's they often reported how poor the Cowboys record was when any of the triplets missed a game. Looking at this team all the triplets are out not 1 but all.

 

[erod]

I need someone to be pissed at and since we have so many Weeden apologists, who else does that leave?

LP Ladoecuer really gets on my nerves.

 

[Sydla]

So why do coaches fail?

Are all coaches really good but just let down by failed execution and/or lack of talent?

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Horrible post and assessment.

For 2 main reasons:

1) It elevates garrett by comparing him to "worse" coaches. Or, coaches perceived to be worse.

2) It is not statistically sound. Try this:

8-8
8-8
8-8
12-4
2-2

See a pattern? .500, .500, .500, .500.

Statistics tells us that 12-4 is an outlier and thus should be removed from the test.

We're left with .500 which would easily fall into 95% confidence ratings in the t-test.

 

[Doomsday101]

I need someone to be pissed at and since we have so many Weeden apologists, who else does that leave?

I don't apologies for Weeden, I think I am being realistic. I don't expect to see a backup taking control of the team and putting up big numbers. What I do expect is to avoid major mistakes that will give you no chance of winning, I expect them to put up points and a defense to stop the other team. I would much rather have Romo back there making the changes on the move based on what he is seeing, you know the things people jump on Romo about "Oh he runs the clock down to 1 before the snap" but that is not going to happen until at least Nov 22nd. meantime I want to see the offense continue to put up an avg of around 24 points a game which they currently are with Weeden and a defense who can manage to keep the opposing team from scoring more than 24 points a game which they haven't

 

[Trendnet]

Horrible post and assessment.

For 2 main reasons:

1) It elevates garrett by comparing him to "worse" coaches. Or, coaches perceived to be worse.

2) It is not statistically sound. Try this:

8-8
8-8
8-8
12-4
2-2

See a pattern? .500, .500, .500, .500.

Statistics tells us that 12-4 is an outlier and thus should be removed from the test.

We're left with .500 which would easily fall into 95% confidence ratings in the t-test.

And here is a nice example of someone who doesn't understand statistics.

 

[CATCH17]

For the most part, you're not being honest as a Cowboys fan if you say you can't see the growth in Jason Garrett. But you're also not being honest if you say he still doesn't have a ways to go. Only time will tell. Let's hope we can get some guys on the field that will help make his job easier .

I've seen the growth in our roster since he has been here but I see a team that still is basic in playcalling, and just looks completely unorganized and undisciplined at times.

Luckily we aren't losing games because of how undisciplined we are.. WE're losing winnable games because we're just gutless.





This will sound crazy, but I predict Weeden looks really good throwing the ball this week if we get down a couple of scores.


I think our best chance to win is for the Patriots to score and force us to get out of our shell. I hope we're down 14 - 0 at the end of the first quarter.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

And here is a nice example of someone who doesn't understand statistics.

LOL. Sorry bro that you dont like the truth.

I have multiple college stats classes on my transcript.

 

[Zman5]

JG has had upper tier QB, WR, TE. He also had a upper tier pass rusher for 3 of his 5 years as the HC. Yet he was only able to produce 1 winning season.

Before you start making excuses for all the other players he didn't have, no team will have a perfect team in this era of salary cap.

Anybody can coach a team to the SB if you are stacked everywhere. Look at us with Barry Switzer. But that is not possible anymore with the salary cap.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think the Garrett bashing is uncalled for. He's Jerry's pick and there are some Cowboys fans that are bigger fans of bashing Jerry than they are of cheering for the team. So anytime we have any type of failure, it always come back to Jerry. Garrett is Jerry's guy and there are 'fans' here that hated to see the success we had last season because it means that maybe, just maybe...they will have to admit that they were wrong.

I don't think Garrett is the perfect coach. He has his weaknesses. I don't like how he manages the game in general. I think one of the biggest mistakes we had was logging in so many carries for Murray last year. Had we kept him at 320 carries for the season (still 20 carries a game), he doesn't smash the records and doesn't demand such a high price tag and I would feel more comfortable with him not wearing down. Instead, we couldn't even come close to managing him to 320 carries. I don't like the way they have managed the Randle and McFadden situation. I think McFadden isn't getting enough touches and Randle is getting too many. And in general, we have a very difficult time bringing rookies and newcomers into our offense, it seems.

I didn't like some of the playcalling against the Giants (too dink-n-dunk) and in the 2nd half against the Saints (too much running on 1st down). But, we have new situations with Romo and Dez out and we really can't afford to have more than 3rd and 8 on 3rd downs because Weeden isn't likely to convert (and I stand up for Weeden who is currently 7th in DVOA, but he's not converting on 3rd and long).

We saw more of what Weeden can do when we went to shotgun with an empty backfield. It requires less mobility in the pocket and that's the offense he played at OSU. The problem is that it makes the running game extinct and that can also burn out the defense. The key is to manage that and find a nice ebb and flow between those shotgun plays and running plays. And that's where I think Garrett is weak at doing. I wouldn't be surprised if we see barely any shotgun with empty backfield until Romo comes back just because Garrett seems too averse to giving it a shot.

But, those negatives are far outweighed by the positives. He is excellent at developing talent. Even Weeden has developed quite a bit since last year and he got bad coaching early in his career. Far tougher for a QB to overcome bad coaching early in their career than say a linebacker. He's not going to get thru to every player (i.e. Randle), but that's the most important part of all of this...how well does a team's coach develop talent.

He also handles the media well. It's a different animal in Dallas and he's handled them far better than Wade, Parcells, Campo and even Jimmy.

The issue for us right now is we can't keep players healthy. And that's 4 seasons out of 5 seasons that has happened. I'm really not sure what the answer is. I used to think it was practice methodologies and S&C, but now guys are breaking bones in games.

I like Garrett's approach to the game and overall he brings a lot more to the table then what he takes off the table.





YR

 

[T-RO]

Many fans are three things:

• Simple-minded
• Selfish
• Shallow

It's really a sad commentary to watch how some fans roll.

If my team/player gives me what I want when I want it...great! Otherwise: throw him under the truck...I hate him.

And thoughtful analysis?
If we lost a game or a play didn't work...He Sucks!

 

[CF74]

"Still sleeps with the light on"

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

We might lose every game without Romo.. That's how dependent we are of him...

It is telling that as Romo dependent as we be, Jerra zoned out to fans pleas about someday drafting the QB of the future. We could sure use him now.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

How many games did Indy win when Peyton went down? I'm pretty sure they ended up with the first pick in the draft. Losing good players will cause that. The thing is, teams have a finite number of dollars to spend on a roster. This year that number is about $143.3M. That averages out to about $2.7M per player. For every dollar over the average you give to one player, you must give another $1 less. When your high dollar players go down, you're left with the low dollar players. That's an oversimplification, but it's also meaningful when looking at the big picture.

And what about superbowls won by quarterbacks who were no better than a decent backup? Like Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco, etc.

I remember an article rating the colts in the bottom 30% of teams QB roster even with peyton because painter sucked so bad.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Horrible post and assessment.

For 2 main reasons:

1) It elevates garrett by comparing him to "worse" coaches. Or, coaches perceived to be worse.

2) It is not statistically sound. Try this:

8-8
8-8
8-8
12-4
2-2

See a pattern? .500, .500, .500, .500.

Statistics tells us that 12-4 is an outlier and thus should be removed from the test.

We're left with .500 which would easily fall into 95% confidence ratings in the t-test.

Ah your speaking my language.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Looking around the NFL not every team nor most teams are dealing with injuries to starting QB as well as one of the top WR in the entire NFL, missing as many player as we have on defense.

Dallas is still out there to win and Garrett will be judge as all coaches are, however most sensible people will do so based on the season not 2 games. There was no doubt things would alter when playing a backup QB and not having a top weapon like Dez. Hell I watched SB caliber team like the Cowboys not win when Emmitt Smith was out of the game. 1 player just 1 player and yet the mighty Johnson could not win and Garrett is getting this crap from a fan base when the QB is out, the WR is out and top players on the defense are out?

I like the one-player thesis. Yet, we dare not write that Romo half never taken us to a Super Bowl or deep into the playoffs because as his defenders say, it take a team, not one player to win or lose.