The Garrett bashing is trite, tired, and lacking in truth

NoLuv4Jerry

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For me it is simple. I know we are undermanned...but the head coach has a responsibility to play the hand he is dealt. When I think back to the Saints game....and the team was down 7 in the 4th quarter with about 5 mins to go. We needed a TD to tie. The defense gets a stop....we get the ball back. This is the drive BEFORE the drive we scored on. The chances of the defense...already showing signs of tiring.....stopping them from scoring or forcing a punt......are SLIM. What do we do? We run it 3 straight times and punt. Putting our defense back on the field...and HOPING they can stop them again. Miraculously...they did. THEN....and only THEN....did we put the ball in the air and try to tie the game up. And voila....Weeden marches the team down the field...and we score a TD. Now of course...the tired defense goes back on the field....and the Saints march down and miss a FG. We go to OT. The tired defense goes back on the field....and you know what happened next

So my point is....at some point...putting the game in the hands of a depleted, tired unit is chicken****. We were LUCKY to get the ball back down 7. Had we got it back down 10 or 14...the game would have been OVER. Injuries Garrett cannot control. But this type of strategy he CAN control. And he did not do it.
 

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No, they're not all good head coaches. Wade was ridiculous. Trestman was ill-suited. Etc.

But this league is usually determined by quarterback quality and attrition. Look at McCarthy, Payton, Tomlin, and even Belichick. They're "genius" is almost entirely tied to their respective quarterbacks. Meanwhile, other equally capable coaches look incompetent because they don't have an elite quarterback.

Certainly but what leads you to believe Garrett isn't closer to the Trestman's of the world as opposed to the McCarthy's or Belicheck's? Because that's what you seem to be saying.

Frankly, forgetting talent and injuries, there are things that go on during a game that have nothign to do with talent or lack thereof that makes you scratch your head.
 

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It does take a team, I have no doubt Romo gives us a much greater chance than Weeden. The offense is pretty much open to Romo whereas I think coaches have limited Weeden keeping things simple. I think the more he shows the more confidence they will have in Weeden. I'm much more concerned with the defense who has failed to this point. I hope the return of some key players will change that.

A well crafted, thoughtful and respectful response . . . WHAT HALF YOU DONE WITH MEIN FREUND DOOMSDAY!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
 

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Erod,

First off the OP was really nicely laid out, etc. I have no problem with your points. But it also seems to absolve JG of any fault, when things go wrong besides injury.

To Recap: JG DID have issues with game day coaching his first few years. He had issues with time management, with play calling, with teams coming out slow out of the gate (saved by furious Romo comebacks) with ...a lot. Jerry admitted this. Almost every respectable talking head who knows football admitted this. He was raw and in over his head a few of the years. Even Aikman alluded to it. Jerry stuck with him and it paid off last year with a great year overall. JG seemed comfortable, he had a top staff (which I find very underrated to any coach) and people were fine.

But the reality is that some of JG's earlier issues do crop up. I don't consider it bashing though. It is part of his job and people discuss it. The Giants game for example. We came out completely flat and looked unprepared and we had a pretty full squad. AGAIN, Romo and playing a knucklehead team saved us. I'm not sure who gets blame these days because we just lost two winnable games but most teams, with the injury bug in the league, have to trust their QB. As I've said multiple times, Weeden is in a position where he isn't a band aid but a full on starter for half our season. IMO, why not let him let her rip vs playing it safe. A majority of people were thinking we had 2-3 winnable games without Romo so instead of playing safe, why not go all out and let him go downfield? Of course the team revolves around Romo/Dez. It's obvious that most pros don't have their talent. But that doesn't mean we have to crawl into a shell and go predictable and safe. My main issues have been WR patterns and how we treat the running game from half to half. Is that on JG...could be or maybe its Linehan or someone else. All I'm saying is you can ask questions regarding JG as they relate to issues we had before. I don't think that is out of bounds.

We are getting into that area where we are calling out extremes again. I don't think logically calling out game plans vs expecting us to be the same despite injuries is unreasonable. My opinion is that players like JG. He is a good delegator. He is good at being a figure head and saying the right things. He is a planner. But I still find him mediocre at best when it comes to game day stuff. I think his O and D coordinators make a great team with him but when things go crazy, he still gets flustered. Doesn't mean I want him gone, just want him to evolve some more.
 

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NFL fans across the league today are frothing at the mouth, ripping their head coaches to shreds. Don't believe me? Just go to internet.com because it's everywhere.

By my count, there are exactly three good coaches in the NFL today. And in the WILDEST of coincidences, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers play for two of those coaches, and the new coach in Atlanta has a good QB, too.

Tomlin is getting dogpiled in Pittsburgh. Seattle fans are freaking out over their awful offense and are questioning Carroll. Pagano looks almost done with the imploding Colts. Chip Kelly is about to be hung in effigy, Lovie looks impotent in Tampa, Reid is about to get jellyrolled out of KC, Kubiak was publicly forced to abandon his offense and let Peyton take over, Tomsula is getting Republican treatment in San Francisco, Payton is getting skewered over the weapons traded away, McCoy has them restless in San Diego, Houston is quickly tiring of their foul-mouthed head coach, and Miami has already catapulted theirs to the scrap heap. The fans of the Jets, Bears, Raiders, Jags - you know the ones - are longtime professional coach haters.

Likewise, the Garrett bashers are out of hibernation and starting to puff out their man boobs once again. Never mind that 8 of his top 15 starters are out, including the best two players on the team, which happen to be the QB and star offensive weapon. Never mind that he just fought Ryan and Brees with the likes of Brandon Kyle Weeden, whom I'm pretty sure still sleeps with the light on.

This is what we do. Fans by nature are knee-jerking football simpletons who think their Madden playbook could go 15-1. They rarely even know the right questions, let alone the right answers.

Among my favorites:

1. "The playcalling sucks!" - This is the old tried-and-true. Don't need to know the difference between weak and strong side to make this bold claim. The truth is, all plays are designed to work, and they have worked, but they must be executed. It's also true that plays are called to AVOID bad things as much as achieve good things, especially when you're without key players or you have bad positional matchups. There is much to consider, things are constantly changing, and you have about 5 seconds to decide. If you have the right QB, any of 20 plays will do. If you have the wrong QB, it might be better to just punt.

2. "The coaches don't know how to make halftime adjustments" - There is no such thing as halftime adjustments. Teams have 12 whole minutes, and it takes 3 minutes to get everybody in the locker room and 3 more to get them back out. That leaves enough time to pee, get re-taped, and maybe go over an item with a positional coach. That's it. This isn't college where you get a lunch hour at halftime for the marching bands. Adjustments are discussed all game long, and they're made, but it still comes down to the QB and players at your disposal. Then it's up to them to make it happen.

3. "The time management was awful" - This one is often true, actually, but if you peruse the internet, all 32 coaches get berated for this constantly. Truth be told, they all make these mistakes quite often in the heat of a game with little time to think it through. But when you have Rodgers, Brady, or Romo - along with a representative cast around them - it often doesn't end up mattering in the end. If you don't, it goes nuclear and gets forensically analyzed for days. Rehashing the "should have dones" in time management is the most Monday Morning Quarterbacking thing to do.

4. "This coach doesn't fire up these guys" - That stuff mostly dies in high school, and what's left runs out in college. If a player needs to be fired up by a head coach, he won't likely see the light of day on a pro field unless he's a freak like Jadeveon Clowney. With few exceptions, only the highly self-motivated get to the pros, and then once they get a big contract, even they can lose their internal rah-rah.

5. "So and so isn't getting enough touches" - Coaches call a play, but it's the quarterback who decides whether or not to audible and who to throw the ball to. Running backs can't run if there's no space, and if there is, they have to actually find it and make something happen. Intent doesn't always result in reality when it comes to touches, regardless of a coach's gameplan.

I could literally list 100 more of these, and I FULLY admit that my emotions have led me to commit half of them. (I try to be good, but dag nabbit, they make ME SO FREAKING MAD SOMETIMES!!)

Coaches, first and foremost, establish a culture. They set expectations and provide a plan. They hold people accountable, and they walk that walk themselves. They relate to players and earn their trust, not in coddling but in in fairness and clarity. Combine that with the personnel department, which works with coaches to get the right mix of players, one of which had better be a upper tier quarterback.

Then, you throw in a tricky ball that bounces all sorts of funny ways, a completely unpredictable set of rules and referees, the biggest stage primetime TV offers, players that make five times the coach's salary, a magnifying media waiting with baited breath for a misstep of any nature, and a fan base of know-nothings that now have smart phones and limitless social media outlets.

It takes some thick skin, a lot of patience, a world of self belief, and perhaps a touch of arrogance to boot.

Coach that, Garrett haters.

You know Your loyalty is to the Cowboys not Jason Garrett, cut it out dude. If we had Andy Reid or Mike Tomlin in here you'd been telling the"Haters" to stop bashing them too. Stop trying to make it seem like you have so much faith and belief in Garrett. It could be anybody coaching this team and you would protect him.
 

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In our case it just masks it.


Romo makes this team fun to watch because of his ability to buy time and make plays.


I can't imagine a QB with Russell Wilson type ability ever surviving with Jason Garrett as his coach.

read the original post again. you totally missed the forest because of the trees.

doesn't Rothlisberger do the same in pittsburgh?
Doesn't Rodgers do the same in GB?

btw, Russell wilson does a lot and masks a lot in Seattle.

but what you want is a coach, who faarts lightning and can wave a magic wand and make the 7th round players into HOFers and scheme things such that you can insert a high school player in the lineup and the play should work. why? because that's what everybody else does. right?

and with all of that said. assume that garrett's offense is bad. sucks (yet we scored 28 & 20 points the past two games). Why does the defense suck? didn't you say McClay makes all the picks and he fixed the draft and marinelli is magic?
 

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heres my question. A lot of people didnt like Phillips, what is the difference between Garrett and Phillips right now?
 

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Hard for me to criticize a coach when he has to field a preseason team in regular season games. We could have been demolished the past two weeks, but we haven't been. This is because of coaching. We can talk about us not winning, I have my criticisms of some of the players out there, but the simple fact is we nearly won both games.
 

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heres my question. A lot of people didnt like Phillips, what is the difference between Garrett and Phillips right now?

Are you asking because you really can't see the difference between the 2?

If so, there's no point in crafting a legitimate response to your question, as you likely won't understand the answer.
 

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heres my question. A lot of people didnt like Phillips, what is the difference between Garrett and Phillips right now?

Players haven't given up on Garrett like they did Phillip in 2010. Outside of Romo going down, we still had most of our starters in 2010, and that team pretty much ran Phillips out of town. We are fielding backups right now without Romo, without Dez, and this team is still showing some fight.

That's credit to Garrett and the rest of the coaching staff.
 

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Are you asking because you really can't see the difference between the 2?

If so, there's no point in crafting a legitimate response to your question, as you likely won't understand the answer.

ok heres why im asking, it seems Phiilps was supposed to be responsbile for a lot more, but JG seems to have less responsbilites and less tossed at him.
 

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Players haven't given up on Garrett like they did Phillip in 2010. Outside of Romo going down, we still had most of our starters in 2010, and that team pretty much ran Phillips out of town. We are fielding backups right now without Romo, without Dez, and this team is still showing some fight.

That's credit to Garrett and the rest of the coaching staff.

For losing? or for no one bothering to hold JG accountable? How about the miscues that still plague this team to this day? or are they carry overs from the Phillip years?
 

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Most recent full season is most relevant to today.

Career winning record regardless

You are correct: most recent full season is most relevant today.

About his career winning record . . . isn't it close to .500?
 

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For losing? or for no one bothering to hold JG accountable? How about the miscues that still plague this team to this day? or are they carry overs from the Phillip years?

We don't have our starting QB, we don't have our #3 WR, we don't have a solid RB to grind out games, we are missing key defensive players on the defensive line, our linebackers last about 2-3 minutes into the game before going out with something bothering them.

...and people here are expecting a dominant performance or an automatic win? The fact that we ALMOST won these games is telling of this coaching staff having this team ready.

And what miscues? I see "miscues" everywhere on every team in nearly every game.
 
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