The Garrett bashing is trite, tired, and lacking in truth

[Doomsday101]

I like the one-player thesis. Yet, we dare not write that Romo half never taken us to a Super Bowl or deep into the playoffs because as his defenders say, it take a team, not one player to win or lose.

It does take a team, I have no doubt Romo gives us a much greater chance than Weeden. The offense is pretty much open to Romo whereas I think coaches have limited Weeden keeping things simple. I think the more he shows the more confidence they will have in Weeden. I'm much more concerned with the defense who has failed to this point. I hope the return of some key players will change that.

 

[rynochop]

Good post..I think the vast majority of Garrett trolls just show up on game day and for a day or so after a loss, then go back under their bridge.

 

[LandryFan]

And what about superbowls won by quarterbacks who were no better than a decent backup? Like Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco, etc.

I remember an article rating the colts in the bottom 30% of teams QB roster even with peyton because painter sucked so bad.

Decent backup QB---Brad Johnson I'll give you...Joe Flacco? While I'll admit some overrate him, he's a legitimate starter...easily top half in the league, IMHO.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Average backup QB---Brad Johnson I'll give you...Joe Flacco? While I'll admit some overrate him, he's a legitimate starter...easily top half in the league, IMHO.

Especially in Flacco's playoff run. He was legit. You can win with a Joe Flacco in this league.

 

[Idgit]

I don't think fans understand exactly what has happened with the Cowboys. We've lost potentially our best DE (Hardy), our best rookie DE (Gregory), our best linebacker (Ro), our best corner (Scandrick), our franchise QB (Romo), one of the best receivers in the game (Dez) and the league leading rusher (DeMarco Murray).

Let's put this in perspective.

Imagine if the 90s Cowboys lost Haley, Tolbert, Ken Norton, Kevin Smith, Aikman, Irvin and Smith.

Imagine if the 70s Steelers lost Mean Joe Green, Jack Lambert, Mel Blount, Terry Bradshaw, Lynn Swann and Franco Harris.

Imagine if the 90s Bills lost Bruce Smith, Cornelius Bennett, Nate Odoms, Jim Kelly, Andre Reed and Thurman Thomas.

Imagine if the current Packers lost Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, Eddie Lacy, Clay Matthews and Sam Shield.

Would anyone be focusing on the coaches of those teams if they were doing badly with all those injuries?

That provides some context, doesn't it?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You can put all the sugar and makeup you want on him, but never underestimate the evil of the Ginger crazy eye look nor the hypnotic power of his sidelines power clapping.

 

[foofighters]

I don't apologies for Weeden, I think I am being realistic. I don't expect to see a backup taking control of the team and putting up big numbers. What I do expect is to avoid major mistakes that will give you no chance of winning, I expect them to put up points and a defense to stop the other team. I would much rather have Romo back there making the changes on the move based on what he is seeing, you know the things people jump on Romo about "Oh he runs the clock down to 1 before the snap" but that is not going to happen until at least Nov 22nd. meantime I want to see the offense continue to put up an avg of around 24 points a game which they currently are with Weeden and a defense who can manage to keep the opposing team from scoring more than 24 points a game which they haven't

How did I know, you'd be the first to speak up...lol.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Decent backup QB---Brad Johnson I'll give you...Joe Flacco? While I'll admit some overrate him, he's a legitimate starter...easily top half in the league, IMHO.

Joe Flacco was a product that season of:

Torrey Smith + Anquan Boldin + Ray Rice

Flacco is ranked 36th in total qbr so far this season...thats WELL outside of top half, thats into backup territory.Ryan Mallett is 40th...just to bring it into perspective.

 

[big dog cowboy]

JG has had upper tier QB, WR, TE. He also had a upper tier pass rusher for 3 of his 5 years as the HC. Yet he was only able to produce 1 winning season.

Rebuilt the roster and changed the thinking and approach to the way we do business all the while experiencing unbelieveable injuries on defense for 2 years. No question our team is in a much better position to win then when he took over.

 

[LandryFan]

Joe Flacco was a product that season of:

Torrey Smith + Anquan Boldin + Ray Rice

Flacco is ranked 36th in total qbr so far this season...thats WELL outside of top half, thats into backup territory.Ryan Mallett is 40th...just to bring it into perspective.

I'm in the camp of every QB being a product of the players around them, to varying degrees and QBR isn't the sole determinant of a QB's value, IMO. Obviously, there are great and poor QB's. Flacco has completed over 60% of his career passes with 153 TD's to 95 Int's and has a career 84.7 passer rating. I realize these are not elite numbers and I honestly haven't a clue how that stacks up against all other QB's, but I know there are a number of current starters today that I would take him over.
Since he ranks 36th in QBR currently, are there really 35 other QB's that you would have run your offense over him?
BTW, Andrew Luck is 41st, just to bring QBR into perspective...

 

[coult44]

Many fans are three things:

• Simple-minded
• Selfish
• Shallow

It's really a sad commentary to watch how some fans roll.

If my team/player gives me what I want when I want it...great! Otherwise: throw him under the truck...I hate him.

And thoughtful analysis?
If we lost a game or a play didn't work...He Sucks!

I don't know why you would have a favorite team or player if you didn't care if they are good or win. Are you one of those guys who think everyone should get a participation trophy and call it good?

 

[65fastback2plus2]

I'm in the camp of every QB being a product of the players around them, to varying degrees and QBR isn't the sole determinant of a QB's value, IMO. Obviously, there are great and poor QB's. Flacco has completed over 60% of his career passes with 153 TD's to 95 Int's and has a career 84.7 passer rating. I realize these are not elite numbers and I honestly haven't a clue how that stacks up against all other QB's, but I know there are a number of current starters today that I would take him over.
Since he ranks 36th in QBR currently, are there really 35 other QB's that you would have run your offense over him?

Its equivalent to Eli manning and his two superbowls.

The man literally closes his eyes when he hurls it down the field.

Thats not a good QB...thats called getting lucky on a good team. I truly feel Flacco got lucky on a good team.

I'm starting to feel maybe Wilson is the same thing...got lucky on a good team.

 

[Zman5]

Rebuilt the roster and changed the thinking and approach to the way we do business all the while experiencing unbelieveable injuries on defense for 2 years. No question our team is in a much better position to win then when he took over.

Building the roster wasn't all JG. Will McClay had lot to do with it. JG's roster building abitlites are over blown. This is the same guy who kept guys like Ogletree around and even brought him back as an FA.

And If the roster he help built is so solid, why can't he win without the players other HC brought in against a pathetic NO team? Romo, Witt, Lee, and Dez were drafted/brought in by Parcells and Wade.

 

[erod]

So why do coaches fail?

Are all coaches really good but just let down by failed execution and/or lack of talent?

No, they're not all good head coaches. Wade was ridiculous. Trestman was ill-suited. Etc.

But this league is usually determined by quarterback quality and attrition. Look at McCarthy, Payton, Tomlin, and even Belichick. They're "genius" is almost entirely tied to their respective quarterbacks. Meanwhile, other equally capable coaches look incompetent because they don't have an elite quarterback.

 

[Zman5]

No, they're not all good head coaches. Wade was ridiculous. Trestman was ill-suited. Etc.

But this league is usually determined by quarterback quality and attrition. Look at McCarthy, Payton, Tomlin, and even Belichick. They're "genius" is almost entirely tied to their respective quarterbacks. Meanwhile, other equally capable coaches look incompetent because they don't have an elite quarterback.

Bellichick had winning seasons with a backup QBs playing big chunk of the season.

 

[T-RO]

I don't know why you would have a favorite team or player if you didn't care if they are good or win. Are you one of those guys who think everyone should get a participation trophy and call it good?

Participation trophies suck as does empty praise that is no more than a lie.

But fans who hate players and coaches from their own team...and do so without real analysis of circumstances and dynamics....suck worse. Such are truly pathetic human beings really...exercising only the reptilian portion of their brain.

 

[DFWJC]

And so far we half seen no winning, just escuses for his 8-8 seasons and near-playoffs and near wins in playoffs.
There come a time when we in the sewing circle just half to look up and say whaaa?

12-4?

 

[DFWJC]

.........

 

[Sportsbabe]

Winning cures this.

He did.

 

[SultanOfSix]

There's a difference between criticism and bashing. I don't think Garrett is a bad coach. I just don't think he's a particularly good or special one either. He's average/competent. He's criticized more for what he doesn't provide as opposed to miscues or problems per se. I don't see how he provides any real benefit, and I think the injury bug is simply an excuse. He seems like a good people person and manager/delegator - a politician as I mentioned before - but as an Xs and Os or a technical football guy, he seems lacking. This is two years of his tenure where the injuries are piling up. Is this just dumb luck? Or is it due indirectly to deficiencies in coaching, e.g. staying on the field too long, not producing on offense leaving the defense on the field too long, turning the ball over, penalties, etc.?