The Jared Gaither Thread **Merged**

[Silverstar]

Past performance is the best indicator of future performance.

Starting from the 4:45 mark when Free was actually in the game, he basically got pushed around by Allen and others, went inside and let Witten block Allen on a sack (I have no idea why), held quite a bit actually from what I saw, ended up on his behind in one play and had a ball batted down while being bull-rushed by Allen in another. I certainly didn't come away impressed by his performance at LT in this particular video.

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here's the link... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3xxmMVSYaM

 

[Silverstar]

Well ok, it messy but it's there.

ok...there it is I think.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well ok, it messy but it's there.

ok...there it is I think.

Its not there and yes Free had a shaky first series and then settled down and played rather well the rest of the game.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Yawnnn

Close this thread

I've done enough ownage to last a lifetime in this thread.

Nothing more to see here.

 

[Silverstar]

Yawnnn

Close this thread

I've done enough ownage to last a lifetime in this thread.

Nothing more to see here.

I'm ok with that...a lot has been said.

Mods?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yawnnn

Close this thread

I've done enough ownage to last a lifetime in this thread.

Nothing more to see here.

Yeah because the STATS stats were worse than the ones that pff gave for Gaither but better for the Cowboys tackles.

You haven't owned jack other thanb contradict yourself by quoting pff stats after discounting them when theo uses them for Hamlin.

 

[JustDezIt]

What does it matter? It'll get tossed out the window.

Here you go.

http://i21.***BLOCKED***/albums/b285/iveyman21/noose.jpg

Just get it over with.

This is unacceptable.

 

[casmith07]

Yeah because the STATS stats were worse than the ones that pff gave for Gaither but better for the Cowboys tackles.

You haven't owned jack other thanb contradict yourself by quoting pff stats after discounting them when theo uses them for Hamlin.

Just refer back to Idgit's lion story

 

[Alexander]

And, surprise surprise, you got your numbers from some unofficial reference.

"Numbers", for an offensive lineman.

You have got to be kidding me. What's next, a "pancake" stat like Madden for more people to use as the basis for more worthless evaluation?

The only thing that matters is that first, the Ravens do not have enough confidence to allow him to continue as a left tackle. And second, they want to move him if he is retained and since he is due for an extension, they are also not willing to pay him as an "elite" tackle.

But these statistics mean more than the actions of the team that might actually know this player the best? Amusing to say the least.

 

[CATCH17]

"Numbers", for an offensive lineman.

You have got to be kidding me. What's next, a "pancake" stat like Madden for more people to use as the basis for more worthless evaluation?

The only thing that matters is that first, the Ravens do not have enough confidence to allow him to continue as a left tackle. And second, they want to move him if he is retained and since he is due for an extension, they are also not willing to pay him as an "elite" tackle.

But these statistics mean more than the actions of the team that might actually know

this player the best? Amusing to say the least.

Who said they didn't have confidence in him at left tackle?

 

[Alexander]

Who said they didn't have confidence in him at left tackle?

I'd say moving him is a bit of an indictment.

If they had supreme confidence, they would not be taking the chance of losing him in free agency (albeit slight) and would not be simply handing the job to Oher. In fact, it is debateable they would have even drafted him in the first place if they had no concerns about him at all.

In a perfect world, the Ravens would get a draft choice for the player. Teams do not generally do these sorts of things with players they want in their long-term plans.

 

[CATCH17]

I'd say moving him is a bit of an indictment.

Or they just don't want to pay 2 tackles left tackle money.

The rumors have been they can't afford to keep him because of the upcoming contracts they have. Not that he is this terrible player because that has never shown up on the field.

 

[Alexander]

Or they just don't want to pay 2 tackles left tackle money.

Oher's contract is not excessive. It is your typical first round contract. They do not only not want to pay, but they have specific designs to move Gaither. That speaks volumes. If they wanted to keep him at left tackle, and money was the sole issue, they would have taken steps to work around it. They are not, presumeably because they do not feel he is worth it.

The rumors have been they can't afford to keep him because of the upcoming contracts they have. Not that he is this terrible player because that has never shown up on the field.

I don't think he's terrible. I just do not think he is the second coming of Jonathan Ogden or really worth the steep price of a first round choice. Apparently, neither do the Ravens. I have a feeling they would be very happy to take the first round choice for him.

Right now, we do not know if we can or cannot get a better alternative via the draft. Now if we are sitting on the clock at 27, really want a tackle and have the choice of sending the Ravens the pick rather than take the sixth or seventh best tackle in this draft, I might think about it.

If they were willing to trade him for a lower choice, I would not be opposed. But I would not pretend he's an answer because there is enough evidence about his durability and work ethic to give me some doubt.

 

[burmafrd]

Fuzzy, you do know that 6 of those games for free were at RIGHT TACKLE while ALL of Gaithers games were at LEFT TACKLE?

 

[casmith07]

Right now, we do not know if we can or cannot get a better alternative via the draft. Now if we are sitting on the clock at 27, really want a tackle and have the choice of sending the Ravens the pick rather than take the sixth or seventh best tackle in this draft, I might think about it.

This is my main concern too, though. Not only do you have to trade away your pick, but you also have to then pay Gaither a contract that would far exceed that of whomever you could pick at 27 or by trading out of the first round, despite not actually knowing if Gaither is any better than the sixth or seventh best tackle in the draft.

We'd then effectively hamstring ourselves to another contract like everyone here loves to complain about - the Ken Hamlins, Roy Williamses of the world - and also have greater implications for working long-term, cap-friendly deals for players like Miles Austin (still tendered), Felix Jones, and especially Mike Jenkins. Mike Jenkins is probably going to command a max contract when it comes time for an extension, and you know Jerry is going to lock him up.

 

[Alexander]

We'd then effectively hamstring ourselves to another contract like everyone here loves to complain about - the Ken Hamlins, Roy Williamses of the world - and also have greater implications for working long-term, cap-friendly deals for players like Miles Austin (still tendered), Felix Jones, and especially Mike Jenkins. Mike Jenkins is probably going to command a max contract when it comes time for an extension, and you know Jerry is going to lock him up.

Throw out the draft choice and look at Gaither if he were completely unrestricted.

Would you feel confident handing him a huge contract and the left tackle job?

I wouldn't, not given his red flags.

 

[burmafrd]

Fewer red flags then any draft pick now.

 

[CATCH17]

Flozell has every single red flag in the book and if he were 23 i'd happily throw a 1st rounder to get him had he produced like Gaither.

 

[unionjack8]

Are you really going to take this tact? This is really funny if you're arguing for Gaither in a trade when you think there is no chance that Baltimore would let him go. Thats a logical inconsistency.

But hey I will play along.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/03/would_ravens_trade_gaither.html

Its the newsblog that started this whole discussion, nimrod. And then you call ME a joke when you are quoting sacks from games Gaither didn't even play.

. I NEVER said he gave up sacks. PLease quote me where i did. I gave this board information as the penalties he gave up then i mentioned the pass rushers he had played against. Nowhere did i say he did/did not give up sacks.
And if thats all you do then you have no standing in this argment.

 

[Hostile]

"Numbers", for an offensive lineman.

You have got to be kidding me. What's next, a "pancake" stat like Madden for more people to use as the basis for more worthless evaluation?

The only thing that matters is that first, the Ravens do not have enough confidence to allow him to continue as a left tackle. And second, they want to move him if he is retained and since he is due for an extension, they are also not willing to pay him as an "elite" tackle.

But these statistics mean more than the actions of the team that might actually know this player the best? Amusing to say the least.

I would like to invite you to join a new religion Alexander. Gaitherism is founded upon the belief that the grass is always greener in someone else's pasture. For your orientation dinner we will be serving someone else's scraps from the very best local restaurants.

How many will be in your party?