The Jared Gaither Thread **Merged**

[peplaw06]

Dude, I gave you very subjective stats. You called me on the "gaither has less sacks given up the last two years than adams" statement I made. I have you sacks given up,QB pressures and QB hits. ****ing subjective

I didn't "call you" on anything, other than I knew I could rebut your point. I simply asked for your source for numbers, so I could examine them.

I came back and showed you that was in fact true.

You come back bashing the source aka showing weakness.

Showing weakness? :laugh2:

The only thing that's weak around here is your dependence on someone else's research. If you don't have someone else doing the work for you, you have nothing. And you don't know how they came up with their numbers.

Meanwhile that source I was using that was being questioned by you, was the SAME source that theo used when defending Hamlin the other night. IIRC you were on theo's side. So you sure didn't have any problems when theo used it. But the minute I use it for my argument it gets tossed out the window.

good lord. I hardly even got involved in that debate, other than to point out a few obvious points. When you posted your numbers was the first time I've ever been to profootballfocus.com, so it's not like I got all wrapped up in theo's point and examined it closely.

What about you? You rail on theo's use of that source, and then use the exact same source for your argument here. And you're a lot deeper into these debates than I am.

All I've done is noticed that there are certain people who know what they're talking about, and there are those who don't. I think you know where you fall, yet you remain one of the loudest, most abrasive people here.

You do know the difference between subjective and objective, right?

Color me shocked.

 

[casmith07]

your signature.... :laugh1:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, you do know the difference in Right Tackle and Left Tackle?

As in its the LEFT TACKLE that faces the best pass rushers?

So fuzzy why don't you look at who Gaither faced at LT vs who Free faced at RT.
Then keep spouting off and looking uninformed at best.

Thats fine. He still gave up sacks at less than a third the rate that Gaither did on the other edge. He was on pace to give up a tiny bit over 2 sacks for the year and he held Allen sackless at LT as well.

Its not like I am touting that they had the same sack totals. What I am pointing out is that if he moved to the left side and gave up three times as many sacks as he did on the otherside he would still be better than Gaither.

Gaither had 5 sacks in 11 games which projects out to 7.3 sacks for the season. What is a DE that gets 7 sacks a season and is pretty good against the run? Greg Ellis comes to mind. So Gaither is the left tackle equivalent of Campo era Greg Ellis but at least Greg wouldn't be on the sideline all the time due to injury.

Gaither is not worth the money it would take to get him which is at least $8mil a year much less a 1st round pick.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What about you? You rail on theo's use of that source, and then use the exact same source for your argument here. And you're a lot deeper into these debates than I am.

This is really all that needs to be said.

 

[gmoney112]

The stats are worthless without a legit %. Didn't the Ravens throw the ball like 15 times a game? I know they leaned very heavily on Ray Rice all season. I'd be a lot more interested in the % of pressures/hits/sacks in pass plays rather then just quote numbers. When a team drops back 200 more times during a season, the stats can be deceiving.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The stats are worthless without a legit %. Didn't the Ravens throw the ball like 15 times a game? I know they leaned very heavily on Ray Rice all season. I'd be a lot more interested in the % of pressures/hits/sacks in pass plays rather then just quote numbers. When a team drops back 200 more times during a season, the stats can be deceiving.

You make an excellent point, but the Ravens clearly did not pass as much as we did which skews the stats that much more into Free's favor.

People need to get it through their thick skulls that Free was damn good last year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Alright, this thread has gone on long enough. Time to close her down.

CLOSED

 

[the truth of it all]

I completely disagree with everything said in the last page of this thread and am here to refute all comers.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I keep wrestling with this idea of bringing Gaither to Dallas, teams usually do not let premiere LTs leave, I mean Baltimore didn't let Ogden go....

 

[Hostile]

"Gaitherism" :laugh2:

Yes sir, the Jared Gaither Angogial Metaphysical Church of Sack Prevention Percentage.

 

[dbair1967]

Alright, this thread has gone on long enough. Time to close her down.

CLOSED

This threads running till after the draft, I can feel it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Alright, this thread has gone on long enough. Time to close her down.

CLOSED

:laugh2:

 

[casmith07]

This threads running till after the draft, I can feel it.

That would be epic.

Gaither's still a bust! :

 

[Bob Sacamano]

:laugh2:

Help me out here!

 

[CATCH17]

Help me out here!

Im about to ban some people if they dont start agreeing with me.

 

[Silverstar]

IT IS....ALIVE!!!

http://img27.*************/img27/4503/youngfrankensteinf.jpg

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Is he a stud? Yes.
Is he an immediate contributor? Yes.
Is he worth the billions this young OLman wants? Not to Jerra, I hope.

 

[Cover 2]

Would anyone have a problem signing him if he hits free agency next year?

 

[burmafrd]

If Gaither would want huge money then no. BUT if we can get him reasonably then lets do it.

Fuzzy, you basically think Free can do it based on ONE game. Now that is not smart.

Otherwise FRee played RT and Gaither LT and Gaither faced much better pass rushers. So using that to say Free is better is uninformed at best.

 

[peplaw06]

If Gaither would want huge money then no. BUT if we can get him reasonably then lets do it.

Fuzzy, you basically think Free can do it based on ONE game. Now that is not smart.

Otherwise FRee played RT and Gaither LT and Gaither faced much better pass rushers. So using that to say Free is better is uninformed at best.

The Ravens think Oher can do that based on five games. And Free faced a stud DE his one game at LT.